Stuff Like This Destroys My Enthusiasm......

DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, folks, i havent posted a shot/diagram in a long time, and i know many of you out there are clamoring for one. so, here you go!
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Really?!?! Who are these people and wtf is wrong with them?!?!

DrCue'sProtege said:
as everyone is aware i do nothing but complain about the horrible luck and rolls i get. this happens almost each and every time i play.
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Believe me, DCP. We are all WELL aware of your continual struggles with "bad luck and crappy rolls".

DrCue'sProtege said:
now how on earth can anyone just be so continually unlucky??? this crap just goes on and on and on and on and on and on, just about every day, nothing but horrible, HORRIBLE rolls and luck, and just seemingly wont ever stop destroying my enthusiasm and mental approach to the game. and bear in mind this occurred after i had just broke about twenty times with absolute no chance, none, zilch, of running out. i was already about to give up and go light a cigar and watch the ballgame, and just quit for the day. when i ended up with this horrible roll i just dropped to my knees and stared at the wall, in utter disbelief how any one person who tries as hard as i do can just constantly be plagued by non-stop horribly bad luck.

DCP
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DCP-

Have you ever stopped to think that if you seem to get horrible rolls continually, that perhaps it isn't luck. Maybe you are just bad. So try this. Stop asking people in an online forum what you're doing wrong because here's the answer:

You make the same stupid mistakes all the time and you change nothing. But you expect different (and better) results every time.

Try learning from your own mistakes. Try different things and learn from them. Ask knowledge players from your poolhall to give you some advice. Hell!!! Ask Tom Rossman! Ask anybody! But stop asking us because its the same thing all the time.

Sincerely,
Brian
 
I'm not a very good player, but I focus on the times when I do hit them good and enjoy that. In this particular case, you had a pretty easy kick shot with a chance to either make the ball or kick safe.
 
Something like this: low left english, bank to miss it short and you are safe and you have already broken out the cluster. If you make it, you will be able to see the three. The shot is predicated on a stun stoke, medium speed and, of course, good cue ball control. :)

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pharaoh68 said:
DCP-

Have you ever stopped to think that if you seem to get horrible rolls continually, that perhaps it isn't luck. Maybe you are just bad. So try this. Stop asking people in an online forum what you're doing wrong because here's the answer:

You make the same stupid mistakes all the time and you change nothing. But you expect different (and better) results every time.

Try learning from your own mistakes. Try different things and learn from them. Ask knowledge players from your poolhall to give you some advice. Hell!!! Ask Tom Rossman! Ask anybody! But stop asking us because its the same thing all the time.

Sincerely,
Brian
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I agree with Brian here! How can you expect different results when you don't change anything?

How can you expect different results when you ask everyone's opinion, yet you don't listen to them?

Carl at pool school will tell people to expect the same results if they do the same thing they have been doing, and I agree.

In other words if you try a stop shot, and the cue ball keeps rolling forward it should signal that you aren't hitting low enough on the cue ball. However if you keep hitting the same place on the cue ball, then don't expect a different result. It is all about adjustments in this game. So learn to adjust.

Adapt and overcome! In other words try something different, or at least listen to the people in here and try it their way for once!
 
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein
 
bomber said:
Something like this: low left english, bank to miss it short and you are safe and you have already broken out the cluster. If you make it, you will be able to see the three. The shot is predicated on a stun stoke, medium speed and, of course, good cue ball control. :)

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Thats it, thats what I was trying to explain in post #16

I can't figure out how to make those diagrams ... no patience I guess. :)
 
memikey said:
:confused: Are you sure? Perhaps side cushion to right knuckle to left knuckle to where it ended up:)

Anyway....more importantly....DCP, when you decided upon that choice of shot what were you expecting to happen to the 4 and 3 if you contacted them on that angle of approach and speed? Or is it that you did not expect to contact them on that that angle of approach but on a different angle or perhaps at a different speed, or both? The answer to that may have relevance to any analysis of what mistake(s) you might have made.
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I'm new so don't really know him but I get the impression that he didn't really have ANY expectations when hitting into the 4. Like many players I have seen he just played to hit into the cluster anywhere and hoped to get lucky. Thus his moaning that he is unlucky. Many guys play this way and you always hear them complaing about their luck.

Come to think of it I've done it myself! Once you learn to consider all the fail points of a shot you stop whining about luck and you start learning.

Not that I don't have a lot to learn myself. It's much easier to say than do.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
well, as i stated, the cut shot on the 2-Ball was pretty thin, more so than the diagram depicts. i felt if i could pocket the 2-Ball i had pretty much the open path to the 4-3 cluster. and if i missed the 2-Ball, leaving the cue ball down by the 4-3 would leave a potential opponent with a difficult shot on the 2-Ball since the 7-Ball blocked the corner pocket.

but, as my luck almost always goes, i make a really good shot, and my reward was another horribly bad roll - for the 10 millionth time..........:(

DCP
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In the words of the famous Artie Lange
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BVal
 
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this is what I'm describeing damm no diagram
 
So did you kick the three in or play safe? Im assuming neither. The game doesnt end after your unlucky roll, you still had options even after you hooked yourself. the kicksafe from there isnt to hard.
 
LILJOHN30 said:
The safe is a good idea ,but your still faced with the breakout even If you get ball in hand.There is a time to make that shot and a time to duck,untill your at the level to consistantly make you shot option then you wind you opening the table for your opponent.What nowone stated is that from the origional position you can ply the safe that was shown but instead or hiding behund the nine ball you could go into the 3/4 slightly and place the two behind the 8 still so if you get bih you can run out.let me know what you members think of this.In essence put the 2 on the rail behind the 8 and bump the pack to break them out a little.If you get bih then you can get out if you cant [depending on how the 3/4 end you or paly an other safe if you have to.You could have also played the 2 and placed the cue on the bottom rail and then played a safe if the 3 passes the 4.
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I agree with everyone else that if you're going to shoot a shot which is going to require some luck, don't complain when it's bad luck. And it's these kind of "bad" rolls that teach you not to be sloppy. A pool hall isn't a place to be praying...

BTW, I would have done #2 above, but #1 is much better. Glad that this constructive solution was posted.
 
How bout'.....

How about a push out? What are my odds? What are my odds on a safety?

It seems, DCP, that you are not asking yourself enough question before deciding the best way to move forward after the break.

Would you try this if it was hill/hill in the finals? No. If I was banging around with some buddies I might.

My2C,

Ray
 
push out

I'm not sure the push out would be a good idea,you would give your opponent control of the table,and the opertunity to out play you.What did you have in mind.You want you opponent of the defensive and you can accomplish this from where your at,why give him the oppertunity .
 
LILJOHN30 said:
I'm not sure the push out would be a good idea,you would give your opponent control of the table,and the opertunity to out play you.What did you have in mind.You want you opponent of the defensive and you can accomplish this from where your at,why give him the oppertunity .
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nice avatar, best i've "come" across............;)

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, folks, i havent posted a shot/diagram in a long time, and i know many of you out there are clamoring for one. so, here you go!

as everyone is aware i do nothing but complain about the horrible luck and rolls i get. this happens almost each and every time i play. the following is a good example. diagram #1 is the layout i had after the break shot. i saw no other option but to pocket the 2-Ball (which, even though the diagram doesnt quite depict the shot, it was a pretty difficult/thin cut shot into my unforgiving side pocket) and come around three rails with some high left and try and break up the 4-3 cluster. this, as far as i am concerned, was pretty much executed to perfection. when i saw the 2-Ball fall in and the cue ball come around three rails at just the right angle, with what i felt was pretty much the right speed, i was in high heaven for that fleeting moment. here is the shot and diagram:

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anyway, after the cue ball went into the cluster and the balls settled, just my luck, here is what i ended up with:

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now how on earth can anyone just be so continually unlucky??? this crap just goes on and on and on and on and on and on, just about every day, nothing but horrible, HORRIBLE rolls and luck, and just seemingly wont ever stop destroying my enthusiasm and mental approach to the game. and bear in mind this occurred after i had just broke about twenty times with absolute no chance, none, zilch, of running out. i was already about to give up and go light a cigar and watch the ballgame, and just quit for the day. when i ended up with this horrible roll i just dropped to my knees and stared at the wall, in utter disbelief how any one person who tries as hard as i do can just constantly be plagued by non-stop horribly bad luck.

DCP
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It seems like the more precise I get on my position play, the more I get unlucky rolls. The key on that shot was to play defense on the two. You made a good shot, but to make the shot, hit the cluster and get decent shape, it was a tough one.
 
PKM said:
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LOL thats really good!
 
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