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[JCIN]

The reason poker is so big is because almost anyone can play and win,they like seeing joe schmoe against the top guys,you wont see a guy in his first tourney who has been playing for a few months laying them to waste in pool.Poker is more user friendly,a minute to learn a lifetime to master.

That to me is pokers biggest draw. Add in the god like power of knowing the hole cards and it is money. Before Moneymaker and the hole cam poker was worse than pool by a mile on TV. Matasow said "Everyday I thank god for Chris Moneymaker"

The bad thing for pool (on TV) is no one can sh!t out to win the U.S. Open. It is a true skill game. So that stops all the dead money from rushing in with Moneymaker dreams. The thing that people who do not even like poker, like about the WSOP coverage, is the ACTION. A close second is the characters. Add in the "I know what is gonna happen" factor and it is gold.

Pool has the action and the characters all we need is the "Hole Cam"(aka..some yet to be found production hook) and our own skilled version of a Moneymaker, someone people will fall in love with. Oh yeah...and a production company that knows what the hell they are doing...and for the thing to not get butchered and dumbed down along the way (these will be harder to find than anything IMO remember the Pool Shark show?) It will happen someday I think. I hope.

But I gotta say I do not watch poker anymore. To see 20 somethings jumping up and down talking sh!t after hitting a 1 outer on the river just got too old for me. Sure it is a skill game...right up to the point that it's not.

 

[jay helfert]

The reason poker is so big is because almost anyone can play and win,they like seeing joe schmoe against the top guys,you wont see a guy in his first tourney who has been playing for a few months laying them to waste in pool.Poker is more user friendly,a minute to learn a lifetime to master.

Another good point. Anyone can play....and win if they get very lucky!

 

[Fast Lenny]

That to me is pokers biggest draw. Add in the god like power of knowing the hole cards and it is money. Before Moneymaker and the hole cam poker was worse than pool by a mile on TV. Matasow said "Everyday I thank god for Chris Moneymaker"

The bad thing for pool (on TV) is no one can sh!t out to win the U.S. Open. It is a true skill game. So that stops all the dead money from rushing in with Moneymaker dreams. The thing that people who do not even like poker, like about the WSOP coverage, is the ACTION. A close second is the characters. Add in the "I know what is gonna happen" factor and it is gold.

Pool has the action and the characters all we need is the "Hole Cam"(aka..some yet to be found production hook) and our own skilled version of a Moneymaker, someone people will fall in love with. Oh yeah...and a production company that knows what the hell they are doing...and for the thing to not get butchered and dumbed down along the way (these will be harder to find than anything IMO remember the Pool Shark show?) It will happen someday I think. I hope.

But I gotta say I do not watch poker anymore. To see 20 somethings jumping up and down talking sh!t after hitting a 1 outer on the river just got too old for me. Sure it is a skill game...right up to the point that it's not.

I agree i dont watch poker anymore either,i have seen and experienced enough bad beats and suck outs,its just gotten old i guess.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Another good point. Anyone can play....and win if they get very lucky!

Its so true,i am a fairly good player,i have won and cashed at alot of decent sized tourneys,my best was winning a 150 man tournament,i analyze my play whether i cash or not.There are times i play perfect poker and get beat,its just the luck factor playing its part,get your money with the best hand and the guy goes runner-runner,there have been times also where i made a mistake or two in a tournament and win.Alot of players dont know when they played well or got lucky,they played good when they won and bad when they lost,if you want to get better you gotta analyze your play and realize whether you played good or luckily.

 

[Fleece3]

Maybe a reality show with Tony Watson, Scotty Townsend, Chris Bartrum, LilJohn, SVB, and Keith McCready. Put them all in a bus at the start of December in California each with $1000. They can do nothing but gamble on the trip to Louisville that culminates with the Derby. They can hustle in bars, play in pool halls even though they are too well known, or bet on anything else as long as they gamble. They also have to eat and sustain themselves on the trip. Whomever has the most money at the end of the Derby wins the $100,000 or whatever the grand prize is. I know I would watch.

NO and I mean NO network would ever do this!! Why?

BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!!​

How do we always lose sight of that...Being on the road GAMBLING is illegal. Maybe the show could also show them being arrested in town after town! OH WAIT A MINUTE!! I got it, MSNBC could do it!

TO CATCH A HUSTLER!!!​

Yeah that's it!!

 

[JimS]

Maybe I'm alone here but I don't give a sh!t about what KT and IPT MIGHT do in a couple weeks. I DO care about what's happening in Reno right NOW and nobody is putting up any word about that. What's up with the Reno news blackout?

 

[JCIN]

NO and I mean NO network would ever do this!! Why?

BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!!​

How do we always lose sight of that...Being on the road GAMBLING is illegal. Maybe the show could also show them being arrested in town after town! OH WAIT A MINUTE!! I got it, MSNBC could do it!

TO CATCH A HUSTLER!!!​

Yeah that's it!!

Probably ought to check your facts before you make blanket statements. More than a few places it is completely legal for 2 people to wager on a game of skill. The illegality comes in when there is betting on the side or bookmaking.

Show me a documented case of a pool room being raided for POOL gambling (not illegal slots or lottery machines) in the last 10 years.

 

[jay helfert]

NO and I mean NO network would ever do this!! Why?

BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!!​

How do we always lose sight of that...Being on the road GAMBLING is illegal. Maybe the show could also show them being arrested in town after town! OH WAIT A MINUTE!! I got it, MSNBC could do it!

TO CATCH A HUSTLER!!!​

Yeah that's it!!

WRONG! They are playing poker on television right now (High Stakes Poker - Monday nights on GSN) for hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they are definitely gambling!

 

[silvr rcr]

yea, i was curious about that one.
i know its not illegal here to bet someone that you could stomp their ass on the pool table...

 

[Jaden]

correct!!!

Poker doesn't show every hand and it seems to do just fine on TV.

One thing they do do though is showcase the all ins and bad beats. That's what people want to see, not the people playing perfectly.

 

[Fleece3]

WRONG! They are playing poker on television right now (High Stakes Poker - Monday nights on GSN) for hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they are definitely gambling!

In states and on Native American land where gambling is legal!

Also have you noticed that TV poker is played for CHIP COUNT and the chips do NOT represent cash. The CASH comes in the form of PRIZE MONEY for having the most chips. There is a BIG legal reason why it is done this way. Check the gambling laws.

 

[Fleece3]

Probably ought to check your facts before you make blanket statements. More than a few places it is completely legal for 2 people to wager on a game of skill. The illegality comes in when there is betting on the side or bookmaking.

OH...You mean like railbirds betting? or a player laying off some action? You're right, that NEVER happens in the pool community....I take it all back

 

[JCIN]

OH...You mean like railbirds betting? or a player laying off some action? You're right, that NEVER happens in the pool community....I take it all back

So you admit your sweeping statement was in fact false ?

 

[corvette1340]

OH...You mean like railbirds betting? or a player laying off some action? You're right, that NEVER happens in the pool community....I take it all back

you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. First of all, check out High Stakes Poker on Monday night on GSN. You will see about $2 Million in cold hard cash on the table along with another 2 million in chips that represents cash. Your statement about them only showing chips holds no water. Also, your statement about gambling is completely wrong. In most states, it was 42 in 2002, not sure what it is now, allow gambling on games of skill (ie. pool, golf, etc...). This is why you can hold pool and golf tournaments for cash and its also why you can't hold poker tournaments in most states because they don't recognize poker as a game of skill (which shows further ignorance). How do I know this, I use to own a pool room. With reference to the poker machines, they were deemed illegal to pay out on because it was not a game of skill and thats when the machine companys came up with different boards that were called "skill stop" and they are completely legal. It's the exact same thing with a different window dressing. You still control what % is paid out. Before you start making statements, you should really check your information. The only thing you are semi-right about is the side action, but if you can name one person that has ever been arrested for side betting on a pool match then I'll call you a liar in a future post.

 

[Southpaw]

In states and on Native American land where gambling is legal!

Also have you noticed that TV poker is played for CHIP COUNT and the chips do NOT represent cash. The CASH comes in the form of PRIZE MONEY for having the most chips. There is a BIG legal reason why it is done this way. Check the gambling laws.

You can play for all the cash you want to in Vegas, Atlantic City, the Bicycle Club and many more places around the globe. The WSOP is a tourney so, yeah you see a chip count, but High Stakes Poker on GSN is a cash game in Vegas....it gambling at its finest.

Southpaw

 

[Inaction]

Two players playing pool for cash is really a limited field (2) tournament, or series, with each paying an entry fee and all proceeds going to 1st place. The race may be one game, or a set.

 

[Fleece3]

you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. First of all, check out High Stakes Poker on Monday night on GSN. You will see about $2 Million in cold hard cash on the table along with another 2 million in chips that represents cash. Your statement about them only showing chips holds no water.

That is not what I said! Re-read the post. I never said "they only show chips", I said that they are only "PLAYING" for chips, not cash. The cash is the "prize money". I did say the chips did not represent money. Want proof? If the chip count represented money, then how could the players finish 10th - 2nd win any money since they went out of the event with ZERO chips. If the chips represented money then ZERO chips would translate to ZERO money. I am ONLY speaking about the WSOP.

The only thing you are semi-right about is the side action, but if you can name one person that has ever been arrested for side betting on a pool match then I'll call you a liar in a future post.

Again, I didn't say people HAVE been arrested, I said people will be arrestted. If no one has been arrestted, does that make my statement that it is illegal wrong? IF you were to put people on national TV illegally gambling, with the moral majority climate that this country is currently in, people will be arrested. Hell, a few rappers have been charged because they cursed on stage or their show was "TOO" sexy. I would however, appreciate if you NEVER refer to me as a "LIAR", since will are only talking here (or typing). If I make a mistake in saying something, it is just that "a mistake" and not grounds for you to make some moral judgement on my charater. You don't know me.

 

[Fleece3]

Two players playing pool for cash is really a limited field (2) tournament, or series, with each paying an entry fee and all proceeds going to 1st place. The race may be one game, or a set.

Interesting argument! I would like to see it argued in court. The outcome would be groundbreaking

 

[JCIN]

Interesting argument! I would like to see it argued in court. The outcome would be groundbreaking

If I am not mistaken, something similar was argued in court. Mr. Incardona could fill everyone in better than I if he so chooses.

 

[corvette1340]

That is not what I said! Re-read the post. I never said "they only show chips", I said that they are only "PLAYING" for chips, not cash. The cash is the "prize money". I did say the chips did not represent money. Want proof? If the chip count represented money, then how could the players finish 10th - 2nd win any money since they went out of the event with ZERO chips. If the chips represented money then ZERO chips would translate to ZERO money. I am ONLY speaking about the WSOP.



lol, and the WSOP represents about 1% of poker on tv. If you will watch High Stakes Poker on Monday nights on GSN then you will see a real life cash game where players are playing with their own money. Also, there is no need for me to call you a liar because you can't name a person that has been arrested for gambling in the pool room.