Sugartree Sneaky

[1pRoscoe]

Lisa, this is an open forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions. I hold no grudge against you. $1400 may seem a little high for a sneaky but I must stress that all materials used are top notch. Its a high end sneaky pete. I'm not trying to pitch a sale here, but the balance, feel and hit of this cue is simply awesome. If not for the fact that I need the cash, this cue would be staying with me. This is the last sugartree cue I have with me and I don't know when I'll be able to get one again..

So is this a true cuebuilder made fullsplice or did Eric convert an old house cue or a prather-type blank?

 

[via]

So is this a true cuebuilder made fullsplice or did Eric convert an old house cue or a prather-type blank?

I'm not too sure about this...I'll go find out

 

[HIRUN526]

What???

There is a major difference between ST cues and say TS or Searing. Design is obviously one but the construction and materials is the one that matters. In my opinion ST will play better for your advanced player who is a AA or Master or even PRO. *The hit is better and the construction is better based on MATERIALS used and shaft standards* held by TS (Eric Crisp ) It the same reason Kerry Zieler feels the good looks come second! Kerry has told me himself he will take shafts and bounce them off the pavement and if they do not have the right tone and bounce there shredded.. Period he says. This is Eric's ideology when building a cue along with certain materials being used and taper concepts. **I'm sorry, Tim might build a beautiful cue and Searing and many other top builders. But they will never have the unique hit and feel that TS, Harris, SW, Zieler, Hill, Kersenbrock, Bender , ETC... will have. TS, Zieler, SW, and Harris are going to be your most consistant. **Not saying there always perfect but there the closest. IMO these are the top builders period, for the better player. The better player can tell you the difference. No disrespect to the rest but these guys have proven this thesis to be right over time. JUST my 2 Cents!!!!!

It appears you are a very well versed in cue construction by your comments. I find your post very interesting, you say that TS and DS construction and use of materials,shaft standards is inferior to ST and some others, please explain how you arrived at that determination.

Please tell me about some of the Searing construction techniques and materials and how he selects his materials,shaft wood(his shaft standards)etc. I figure you must be versed in his work and methods in saying he is a lesser cuemaker.

TS and DS do not have their own unique feel and hit? Every cue on earth has it's own unique feel and hit. Hit and feel is totally subjective.

One would think it is kind of odd that so many cue lovers from around the world line up to happily buy a Scruggs and/or a Searing. It appears that all of these cue buyers are unaware of "unique feel and hit". I wonder if that can be learned?

It's ok to help a seller by saying that a cue has postive attributes and you like the cues, but you don't need to degrade other cuemakers in the process.

The seller of these two beautiful ST cues dosen't need your negative input to sell these cues.

No disrespect...just my 2 cents.

 

[merylane]

Brand new test hit only sugartree sneaky.It has a g-10 pin, 2 high quality shafts that Eric uses on his high end cues. 19.0oz, 13mm with kamui tips. Joint is of a special phenolic material.

$1400 shipped.

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what kind of wood is the sneaky?

 

[ScottR]

It appears you are a very well versed in cue construction by your comments. I find your post very interesting, you say that TS and DS construction and use of materials,shaft standards is inferior to ST and some others, please explain how you arrived at that determination.

Please tell me about some of the Searing construction techniques and materials and how he selects his materials,shaft wood(his shaft standards)etc. I figure you must be versed in his work and methods in saying he is a lesser cuemaker.

TS and DS do not have their own unique feel and hit? Every cue on earth has it's own unique feel and hit. Hit and feel is totally subjective.

One would think it is kind of odd that so many cue lovers from around the world line up to happily buy a Scruggs and/or a Searing. It appears that all of these cue buyers are unaware of "unique feel and hit". I wonder if that can be learned?

It's ok to help a seller by saying that a cue has postive attributes and you like the cues, but you don't need to degrade other cuemakers in the process.

The seller of these two beautiful ST cues dosen't need your negative input to sell these cues.

No disrespect...just my 2 cents.

Tap, tap, tap, sir. Great post.

 

[hangemhigh]

It appears you are a very well versed in cue construction by your comments. I find your post very interesting, you say that TS and DS construction and use of materials,shaft standards is inferior to ST and some others, please explain how you arrived at that determination.

Please tell me about some of the Searing construction techniques and materials and how he selects his materials,shaft wood(his shaft standards)etc. I figure you must be versed in his work and methods in saying he is a lesser cuemaker.

TS and DS do not have their own unique feel and hit? Every cue on earth has it's own unique feel and hit. Hit and feel is totally subjective.

One would think it is kind of odd that so many cue lovers from around the world line up to happily buy a Scruggs and/or a Searing. It appears that all of these cue buyers are unaware of "unique feel and hit". I wonder if that can be learned?

It's ok to help a seller by saying that a cue has postive attributes and you like the cues, but you don't need to degrade other cuemakers in the process.

The seller of these two beautiful ST cues dosen't need your negative input to sell these cues.

No disrespect...just my 2 cents.

I feel your PAINPOOL

 

[Panhdlce]

Wow! Gmcole $800 for two shafts, why make cues, just make & sell shafts at those prices.....

 

[poolplayer2093]

hope i'm not beating a dead horse here.some people think this price is unfair. I think that it should be said that this is what the cue is worth to him. if you'd like him to part with it that's the price you're going to have to pay. you don't like the price don't buy and maybe over time he might reconsider or just decide to keep it

 

[Remy]

How about letting Via try to sell the cue for whatever he thinks is worth and do cues and and cue makers comparisons in another thread?

Bump and best of luck with the sale Stanley.

 

[via]

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[gmcole]

Wow! Gmcole $800 for two shafts, why make cues, just make & sell shafts at those prices.....

As I said, that included insured shipping both ways, had to send butt and insure it, as well. I heard Laurie at SW is about that price with ivory ferrules,(I haven't confirmed that-just heard it from another builder). I will gladly pay 400 for a old growth shaft thats been hanging for years and had a dozon or so turns by a world class builder vs. one that was cut in 3 turns in a couple months by a mass producer. IMHO-jeff

 

[Trav D]

I'm guessing the cue on the right can't be had for less than 3 grand then, huh? *laughing* I love Sugartree's. I've probably had the good fortune of owning, and playing with, as many Sugartree's as anyone on this forum. I personally love them. That's my taste. It's all that matters to me. They are the epitomy of form and function...to ME. That being said...I've always been willing to pay the prices in here...because I feel they're worth it in my experience. Eric's simply one of the finest examples of humanity I've come across. I wonder what he thinks when every time one of his cues comes up for sale on the secondary market (here), a fuss is always raised over the price. I mean...obviously they're not overpriced if people are buying them. They rarely come available which means for the most part the people buying them...keep them. His order list is long, the cues rarely come up for sale...and people clearly want them. Who cares what the price is...especially if you're not in market for one? And if you are...well...the price is what it is. It's amazing how this kind of stuff comes up next to never, with any other cuemaker. Beautiful cue, via. Nuff said. If you can get $2K for your cue...so be it. Good luck in your sale. Lemme know if you'll part with the bad oscar on the right.

No sir it sure could not. Money is not everything, believe it or not. My first Sugartree (second sugartree, but first to my specs) made how I wanted it, with Eric's help of course, means alot more than any dollars you could offer, no offense, Trav Dorn.

 

[Retail1LO]

No sir it sure could not. Money is not everything, believe it or not. My first Sugartree (second sugartree, but first to my specs) made how I wanted it, with Eric's help of course, means alot more than any dollars you could offer, no offense, Trav Dorn.

Oh...I know money's not everything. I hope you didn't misinterpret what I meant by that. I was surely kidding. I've had a number of cues that have gone through my hands that I wish I'd said weren't for sale...because the dollars received for them certainly don't satisfy in hindsight. I hope you enjoy that monster. Great cue.

 

[Trav D]

Yes man definitely a monster player. The confidence factor with this cue is at my all time high. I believe this one is going to my grave with me

 

[Nine Ball]

Brand new test hit only sugartree sneaky.It has a g-10 pin, 2 high quality shafts that Eric uses on his high end cues. 19.0oz, 13mm with kamui tips. Joint is of a special phenolic material.

$1250 shipped. (within 24 hours from the time of edit)

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Bump for ya...

 

[via]

last few hours

 

[brd]

If only the IRS would hurry up with that stimulis refund.

 

[Jason Lee]

damn..if only i have the cash