Suggestion for the APA

First definition of obtuse: dull-witted.
Insults don't add to your argument.
I was responding to your disdain for league amateurs, calling them "hacks".
The fellows mentioned above were all AMATEUR league players. There are definitions for "pro players" used by all organizations, and they're fairly consistent. The "debate" between us is whether or not amateurs are hacks and not worth watching on tv. You say yes, and I say no. Can't we leave it at that?

Donny L
One of thousands of amateur players who most folks would not consider "hacks".

Sure...we can leave it at this:

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Suggestion for the APA: Sell out to Mark Griffin, he actually listens.

Why would they sell out to anyone. The have the most successful business model based on market penetration membership and revenue.

One can make a nice living on a 100 team franchise, and most of them are bigger and have room for gorwth.

Our league here in DE just sold for more than $300k. We aren't anywhere near the biggest.


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Exactly as you just said, the average person will watch those awful APA bangers drive balls into rails for 11 innings and then make the 8 ball to win, say $10,000...they will freak out and say "what the hell? I can do that too!" ...


Here's some out of the box thinking, don't give pros $10,000 winnings. For what? What does that accomplish?

Instead, give APA SL3's $10,000, $20,000...maybe even $50,000 winnings.



Crazy huh? Not if you think about it....want to attract large masses of players, then you have to make the attraction ACCESSIBLE to large masses of players. Most players who pick up a cue will never be better than a C level player. Thus, the competition and format must be one where C level players and lower have a chance.

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What you accomplish is the developing the ability to hide your speed so you can bring home the cheese. The APA already gets knocked for the sandbagging issue (seems to be the biggest complaint here) which would live up to the overblown reputation it has here. People will try to game the system when there is real money on the line.

Better to center the reality show around the APA singles national tournament. They already have it bracketed and the "bangers" have their own division and the money on the line is what you suggest. It would be easier go follow several players as they make their way from the regional qualifier to regional tournament and finally the nationals.

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Drew...Are you in CO or AZ? The "junior's thing" definitely has merit, and there are those of us here who are working with people like Mark Griffin to make it happen.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I can't speak for the rest of the country but all the top players from my neck of the woods came from junior programs.

Maybe this junior's thing has some merit.
 
When the AFL and NFL teamed up, they created the SuperBowl. The rest is broadcast TV history.

The APA is advertising up to $1 millions in payout for this years nationals. Have they tried streaming the final matches in the past? If so, how popular were they? What were the makeup of the teams that came into the money? Meaning how many were SL 3, SL4, SL5, etc?

http://www.poolplayers.com/ntc.html




Suggestion for the APA: Sell out to Mark Griffin, he actually listens.
 
I think we will always have pool players, maybe we need to give them something to play for?



Exactly, which is why guys like Griffin should be supported as he has a vision to do just that. Create a sustainable, albeit subsidized, pro tour and grow the amateur leagues.


The APA does nothing for pool, they're out strictly for themselves. That's fine, that's their right and they have no obligation to anyone but themselves. However, it's clear that if the APA stays this course - nothing will change. They will simply continue and grow their bar box banger league so as to fill their pockets more and not look beyond that. In 20 years from now, the APA will be the exact same thing. Just as it has for the last 20.


Why support that? Can't there be a different league that offers all the same, but also does more for the game as a whole? Wouldn't that be a better league to support?


You people do realize that a different league can do what the APA does, and a whole lot more for pool and it costs you the end user/customer all the same.
 
Exactly, which is why guys like Griffin should be supported as he has a vision to do just that. Create a sustainable, albeit subsidized, pro tour and grow the amateur leagues.


The APA does nothing for pool, they're out strictly for themselves. That's fine, that's their right and they have no obligation to anyone but themselves. However, it's clear that if the APA stays this course - nothing will change. They will simply continue and grow their bar box banger league so as to fill their pockets more and not look beyond that. In 20 years from now, the APA will be the exact same thing. Just as it has for the last 20.


Why support that? Can't there be a different league that offers all the same, but also does more for the game as a whole? Wouldn't that be a better league to support?


You people do realize that a different league can do what the APA does, and a whole lot more for pool and it costs you the end user/customer all the same.


Grilled Cheese:

Not sure who you are but you actually seem to be 'getting it'. A couple of your posts are logical!!

Maybe some day we will show'em ALL! - lol

Mark Griffin
 
Get the boy scouts to give a merit badge for billiards, have little league APA tournaments with a coach or two and reduced weekly fees, serve sodas and pizza. There are lots of ways to attract kids, but then the players who can barely take someone walking by would have to shut up and the little ones would have to have the bar closed. The smoking could go to. I have lots of friends who refuse to go just because of the smoke. The music is irritatingly loud at the place I play, but it is close. John
 
Sarah and Shane come immediately to mind...

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott, I was not saying that there are no players that came from junior development programs. I know there are plenty of terrific players that have! I was just trying to state that pool will certainly not die out without programs like that.

I would rather see focus be put into pumping up prize money than junior programs! Even if it means televising amateur players to grow the purses, I feel it would be better for the game.
 
First definition of obtuse: dull-witted.
Insults don't add to your argument.
I was responding to your disdain for league amateurs, calling them "hacks".
The fellows mentioned above were all AMATEUR league players. There are definitions for "pro players" used by all organizations, and they're fairly consistent. The "debate" between us is whether or not amateurs are hacks and not worth watching on tv. You say yes, and I say no. Can't we leave it at that?

Donny L
One of thousands of amateur players who most folks would not consider "hacks".

Maybe you should try quoting and responding to the person who made that comment instead of random people. You'd find yourself in far less debates.
 
Drew...Are you in CO or AZ? The "junior's thing" definitely has merit, and there are those of us here who are working with people like Mark Griffin to make it happen.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I'm in CO. Glad to see you guys working at it. What do all major sports have in common? You can play any of them--competitively--in high school. Money ain't even the motivation.
 
The APA does nothing for pool, they're out strictly for themselves.

This ^^^^^^

Sad truth but the APA is just a league from the dark ages. They have zero interest in making an actual pro scene. They want money and hide behind the veil of "have some fun, play some pool, and win a trip to vegas" while trying to drown out all the other leagues and become a monopoly themselves.

I will never touch the APA again, they remind me of catholicism in the dark ages as it attempted to obliterate all "competition" through damn near any means.

It's sad because they're sitting on a gold mine that could be that much better.

Fortunately there are people like mark and the BCA that actually invest in a "future" for pool. Those are the people that our limited amounts of money need to be poured into.

EDIT: Ok that was a little harsh and obviously they don't go through "any" means.. I just can't stand the way they do things in that organization.

All IMHO
 
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