SVB - Efren Match
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dont know why but i would still take svb to win mika even if longer race 8-ball or 9-ball.
svb is one of the top players, he isnt picking on efren, maybe its the other players who dont want to have a game with him, knowing he is too strong,
efren wanted to prove that he can still play, shane wanted to prove that he is one of the best
mjantti said:I'd love to see Shane matching up with Mika in a longer race.
dont know why but i would still take svb to win mika even if longer race 8-ball or 9-ball.
svb is one of the top players, he isnt picking on efren, maybe its the other players who dont want to have a game with him, knowing he is too strong,
efren wanted to prove that he can still play, shane wanted to prove that he is one of the best
Efren is still the yardstick
Efren is still the yardstick other players are measured by. His "weak break" is the weakest part of his monster game, it isn't that terrible. Shane wisely played Efren ten ball where the bigger break is more of an edge than playing nine ball. A score of 23-18 indicates that the game wasn't out of line however. I don't think there is anyone in the world foolish enough to think that beating Efren is a lock on a given day. Shane earned his win and our congratulations.
Hu
Efren is still the yardstick other players are measured by. His "weak break" is the weakest part of his monster game, it isn't that terrible. Shane wisely played Efren ten ball where the bigger break is more of an edge than playing nine ball. A score of 23-18 indicates that the game wasn't out of line however. I don't think there is anyone in the world foolish enough to think that beating Efren is a lock on a given day. Shane earned his win and our congratulations.
Hu
I have scene some BS on here, but this is the big winner. I kinda agree that you did it on purpose, no matter you must carry your brain around in a thimble so you dont lose it.oasisbilliards said:
Good job Shane, looks like all your hard work is paying off for ya.
Mr. Efren Reyes, you are and always will be "the one" players are measured by.... P.S. 23 - 19, Id say that is a d*mn fine showing for a guy they say is past his prime, guess you better adjust for the 25 year spot hes getting.
WOW....MORON.oasisbilliards said:
Actually if u know anything about pool Efren is the best all around player alive and the best that has ever lived. How can u even think about trying to question Shane for going right to the top when he plays as well as he does? You talk about Shane having balls but lets see you play Efren and put up 10k. How can you have anything but respect for someone of Shane's caliber and how professional he is. When you're a world champion then maybe you should talk about others. Good luck with that.oasisbilliards said:
Congratulations Shane!
But is there a chance for a rematch soon?
And has Efren asked for it?
But is there a chance for a rematch soon?
And has Efren asked for it?
Congrats Shane
Congrats Grandpa Gary 
*clapping*
Colin
*clapping*
Colin
I wouldn't challenge Efren in a footrace even if he was 90 and using a walker. I would get name stung and trip and break my leg from the gate.
Efren was leading for most of the match and Shane didn't catch him until the score was like 15/15 or something like that.
The "old man" can play jam up pool period.
How often do we say that this game can be played at any age? Mike Lebron won the US Open at 54, Buddy Hall won it when he was over 50, How old is Tony Drago now? Efren has won the all around at the DCC how many times in the last nine years? He is still regarded as the man to beat in the one pocket if you want to win it.
SVB has stepped up to the ENTIRE Filipino crowd and ducked no one. He is the ONLY American player in the past several years to step up and play with no haggling over a spot, no dickering around about playing the 30 Filipinos an all-around, or other such nonsense, just get up and play.
He has lost some and won some but he keeps on coming.
When I watched the match against Corteza in the PI I thought Shane should have won. He made too many mistakes that were uncharacteristic.
The break? In this set with Efren he scratched on the break FIVE times. He also dogged a straight in one ball late in the set.
The point is that he is the only American with enough heart to step to the guy who has the MOST wins at the DCC and offer to play him EVEN. WIn or lose that right there shows the incredible heart this kid - no, this MAN, has.
Another parallel is when young Willie Hoppe went to France to challenge the French World Champion Vigineax (sp), the Boy Wonder against the Old Lion. The Old Lion proclaimed that he would destroy the youngster and the bets were enormous against Willie Hoppe. Willie emerged victorious and went on to a glorious career.
Shane Van Boeing has given American pool fans something to cheer about consistently for the last three years. He is soft spoken, polite, humble, grateful for where he is, ambitious, and full of heart. What more could you want in a Champion?
And he is singlehandledly facing the entire murderer's row of Champions from the Phillipines - how can this man get ANYTHING OTHER THAN ACCOLADES!
Efren was leading for most of the match and Shane didn't catch him until the score was like 15/15 or something like that.
The "old man" can play jam up pool period.
How often do we say that this game can be played at any age? Mike Lebron won the US Open at 54, Buddy Hall won it when he was over 50, How old is Tony Drago now? Efren has won the all around at the DCC how many times in the last nine years? He is still regarded as the man to beat in the one pocket if you want to win it.
SVB has stepped up to the ENTIRE Filipino crowd and ducked no one. He is the ONLY American player in the past several years to step up and play with no haggling over a spot, no dickering around about playing the 30 Filipinos an all-around, or other such nonsense, just get up and play.
He has lost some and won some but he keeps on coming.
When I watched the match against Corteza in the PI I thought Shane should have won. He made too many mistakes that were uncharacteristic.
The break? In this set with Efren he scratched on the break FIVE times. He also dogged a straight in one ball late in the set.
The point is that he is the only American with enough heart to step to the guy who has the MOST wins at the DCC and offer to play him EVEN. WIn or lose that right there shows the incredible heart this kid - no, this MAN, has.
Another parallel is when young Willie Hoppe went to France to challenge the French World Champion Vigineax (sp), the Boy Wonder against the Old Lion. The Old Lion proclaimed that he would destroy the youngster and the bets were enormous against Willie Hoppe. Willie emerged victorious and went on to a glorious career.
Shane Van Boeing has given American pool fans something to cheer about consistently for the last three years. He is soft spoken, polite, humble, grateful for where he is, ambitious, and full of heart. What more could you want in a Champion?
And he is singlehandledly facing the entire murderer's row of Champions from the Phillipines - how can this man get ANYTHING OTHER THAN ACCOLADES!
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JB Cases said:
Couldn't agree more with you, John. All I have ever heard about SVB are compliments. From what I've seen of him he is a true ambassador of the game, I don't recall any bad words about him at all. And as for him wanting to play Efren, Shane's wanted that game & many others have wanted to see it. Well, he's now done it. Beaten the best player out there.
Grandpa Gary, you have every right to be so proud of Shane. Not just for this win but the way Shane makes pool look good! Ignore the idiots & keep on enjoying the way Shane plays the game, wins the game & makes pool look a whole lot better!
I know you're proud of him but I bet he's just as proud to have you cheering him on!
Murderer's Row has gotta be the best used nickname for the top Filipinos. The last Murderer's Row was the 27 Yanks with Ruth and Gehrig along with a lights out pitching staff. Props to JB
You would think with the supposed American stereotypical ego you would see American players crawling over each other to play that match with Reyes or going for the same with Bustamante, Parica or any of the other Filipinos out there (not sure cuz I'm not there).
I can't speak for SVB, but I for one do not enjoy playing people I know I can beat. I do, however love playing people I am dying to beat.
You would think with the supposed American stereotypical ego you would see American players crawling over each other to play that match with Reyes or going for the same with Bustamante, Parica or any of the other Filipinos out there (not sure cuz I'm not there).
I can't speak for SVB, but I for one do not enjoy playing people I know I can beat. I do, however love playing people I am dying to beat.
gunzby said:
I think a lot of it has to do with getting backed. The Filipinos probably have a line of investors willing to back whatever they do as well as managers to keep things fro getting out of line. The amount of people willing to back anyone, not just Americans, against the Filipinos is a lot smaller. Who wants to really go up against the reputation the Filipinos have built up? I remember when Francisco came to Germany and handed out spots to world beaters that they could not refuse and Busti outran the nuts over and over.
Corey used to match up with Efren at rotation for $100 a game even whenever he could so it's not like no one will match up.
I'd honestly be happy to see American players challenging the top Filipinos or other top players in $500 sets, $1000 sets and so on.
I think that this could do two things. One is that it would make the Americans better and two it would make them and the backers much more confident that the American players can hang.
But right now, along with Grampa Gary, I am very proud of the South Dakota Kid and his backers for taking on the legend and making a new legendary story!
I am sorry to ask this but I am not familiar with the way the match was organized. According to my understanding, whoever won this match would earn 20k right? If so that means Efren put 10k by himself and Shane put another 10k or somebody would put out 10k for each of them and earn a portion of profit when the match is over?
About Efren, I don't think his game is closed to what it used to be. I had chance to see him played couples of time during the last 3 years and even though he still came up with many incredible shots, he used to get some basic mistakes. I think the main reason for this is because his back got worse during the last couple years and it prevented him to play and practice on a daily basic. If I remember correctly, there was time during 2007 and 2008, he had to stay away from pool for a while. But I think if he can overcome his sickness, we will see him dominate the world really soon.
One last word, Efren is considered at his best whenever he plays for money game. Therefore, beating him in this category is definitely incredible. However, I don't think beating Efren in one match can lead to the conclusion on whether Shane is up to his level yet because in many tournaments Shane still got struggled.
About Efren, I don't think his game is closed to what it used to be. I had chance to see him played couples of time during the last 3 years and even though he still came up with many incredible shots, he used to get some basic mistakes. I think the main reason for this is because his back got worse during the last couple years and it prevented him to play and practice on a daily basic. If I remember correctly, there was time during 2007 and 2008, he had to stay away from pool for a while. But I think if he can overcome his sickness, we will see him dominate the world really soon.
One last word, Efren is considered at his best whenever he plays for money game. Therefore, beating him in this category is definitely incredible. However, I don't think beating Efren in one match can lead to the conclusion on whether Shane is up to his level yet because in many tournaments Shane still got struggled.
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To be honest I don't think any us really knows exactly what was bet either by Shane, his backers, on the rail and so on. I have heard that Shane and Efren had 3K each personally on the match, have heard 10k each, now 22.5K, 50k, and also 70K total "purse".
The whole "in the middle" thing is really a confusing way to say it. I know that Tar likes advertise that they "contestant" paid an "entry fee" of $10 and that the "prize" is 20K because that probably satisifies some legal issues and it sounds much better. But the reality is that when someone puts up $10,000 against someone else's $10,000 then they are both playing for $10,000 period. There is no "in the middle" because only one person out of two participants can win.
In Poker sure, when the pot is built up and there is $100,000 "in the middle" then it's a much easier way to describe what is at stake. However even in Poker sometimes the commentators will break down the ACTUAL financial risk and potential gain that each player faces.
I am sure that the "in the middle" connotation will continue and probably become commonplace in pool unfortunately. Hopefully by then everyone will understand that it means that the REAL BET is exactly half of what is advertised.
In any event beating Efren even one set would be the greatest lifetime achievment for hundreds of thousands of players. I am sure that Shane will follow up this one with more victories over Efren and his merry band of killers One thing we know for sure is that the Filipinos won't stop coming.
The whole "in the middle" thing is really a confusing way to say it. I know that Tar likes advertise that they "contestant" paid an "entry fee" of $10 and that the "prize" is 20K because that probably satisifies some legal issues and it sounds much better. But the reality is that when someone puts up $10,000 against someone else's $10,000 then they are both playing for $10,000 period. There is no "in the middle" because only one person out of two participants can win.
In Poker sure, when the pot is built up and there is $100,000 "in the middle" then it's a much easier way to describe what is at stake. However even in Poker sometimes the commentators will break down the ACTUAL financial risk and potential gain that each player faces.
I am sure that the "in the middle" connotation will continue and probably become commonplace in pool unfortunately. Hopefully by then everyone will understand that it means that the REAL BET is exactly half of what is advertised.
In any event beating Efren even one set would be the greatest lifetime achievment for hundreds of thousands of players. I am sure that Shane will follow up this one with more victories over Efren and his merry band of killers
One thing we know for sure is that the Filipinos won't stop coming.
I was sitting next to Mr. Reyes and Shane when they started talking about playing. It started as a race to 15 for 3 dimes. A little later I heard Shane say that he has always wanted to play Efren and by the way he said it, it was clear to me it was an honor to play the man. The match was great and the best man won on that day. Shane is on his way to the hall. I found him to be a very nice person and an exceptional player. IMO
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