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Oh, and the Ursetti story is wrong. He ran like 350, then went for dinner and then came back and continued his run to around 600. He didn't run 600 and stop. It was NOT an unfinished, nor uninterrupted run.
SVB runs a 305 in straight pool
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post #38 in this thread.
You have some great points here. I didn't get to detailed in post 38.This is Shanes time to shine and with a run of 305 he has earned it.
Im curious, do you think a high level player who is needing to put up his best numbers would choose to play on an 8' with nap cloth and 5" pockets or a 9' blue label diamond pro am with 4.5" pockets?
I do not think you actually read my original response to him very closely, as I was responding to the sarcastic parroting he did of a very small few people who actually suggest that SVB is mostly just a break artist. It was a BS addition to the post as most people are on the exact same page as the OP, so the sarcastic little quip was unwarranted. "Almost" everyone on AZB knows that SVB can play and is not just a racking and breaking artist and the few trollish people who claim otherwise are better left un-baited into another dumb SVB flame thread.
If SVB runs a 300 great, post a thread about that. Stop trying to draw the bloody few people who claim SVB is all a break and rack artist into another argument. The whole original post was made to draw them right in with the sarcastic little quip FFS... Can we just discuss the run and not have a thread basically designed to become another argument on pattern racking and wing balls? That too much to ask?
Important point . By and large at the highest level there is little to separate the shot making of the top pros . There is difference though if top pro plays an amateur/C player
If you ever saw Mosconi play in person you'd understand.
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I'll bite. Shane is a FANTASTIC player when there is no pressure.
Veru true, I had an 8' table with 5" pockets at home for a couple of years - at the same time I played tournaments on 9' tables and tighter pockets. So I could compare this over time.
HUGE difference in straight pool, I don't consider the runs I had in straight pool on my home table as my "official" personal best.
Mostly grew up with 9-ball and a bit of snooker, but 157 in 14.1 currently on my own GC IV. But what does this have to do with anything, why not ask the rest in the thread as well if it means so much. I play off and on as a hobby.
Since you know this much, I guess you also know that video was 30 or more years after Mosconi retired from full time play, no?
Which is opposite of every older professional player I have heard speak of it (those that have played on both), and or I have asked about it lol... But this forum thinks it knows best lol... Why not ask John Schmidt again if slow cloth is easier to get high runs on, (since you don't want to believe him in the video).... Wait a minute, you might think you know more about straight pool than John... lol
Don't bother. Many on this forum think they know more on the subject than the two World Champions mentioned above lol... No wonder they never come here lol...
You forgot the best player of them all, the one who was trained by Mosconi, THE MIGHTY MIZ!
I beg to differ. The 526 was an exclamation point on an amazing career. He won about fifteen World Straight Pool championships, albeit some were in a long challenge match against a single player (kind of like winning multiple world titles in boxing). He did have to beat guys like Crane, Caras and Cranfield, who were very worthy opponents and all of whom had wins over Mosconi.
No one has yet to mention the difference between Mosconi being totally in the zone running 526 and beating a severely less intimidating record at the time and the person nowadays who is about to beat the 50+ year old record of Mosconi that every pool player is talking about. Engert was mentioned being shaking during the last couple of dozen ball and I'd say not only because of physical fatigue. I can't imagine what would race through in every single pool players mind when a run exceeds 500 and starts closing on the impossible and intimidating 526. How would you feel writing your name into straight pool history books for eternity with a single run? How about that for a pressure? 
The last word for me on this subject.....maybe. Yes, the conditions were different in the 50's and 60's. I played on those tables and you needed a big stroke to move the cue ball around. In Straight Pool the top players rarely tried to break the pack wide open, preferring to chip off corners of the pack and control the rack that way. Doing this there was less chance for error and getting the cue ball tied up.
That said, the game of 14.1 is really not that much different today than it was fifty years ago. It's all about good (great) cue ball control and who does that best will be the better player....most of the time. It helps to be a great shot maker (like Irving Crane) and it also helps to play great safeties (Jimmy Caras), but the consistently long runs were made by the guy who moved the cue ball the best...MOSCONI!
Efren is the player who most likely could have beaten Mosconi's 526 if he had applied himself to Straight Pool at the peak of his career. His cue ball is the best I've seen since Mosconi.
That said, the game of 14.1 is really not that much different today than it was fifty years ago. It's all about good (great) cue ball control and who does that best will be the better player....most of the time. It helps to be a great shot maker (like Irving Crane) and it also helps to play great safeties (Jimmy Caras), but the consistently long runs were made by the guy who moved the cue ball the best...MOSCONI!
Efren is the player who most likely could have beaten Mosconi's 526 if he had applied himself to Straight Pool at the peak of his career. His cue ball is the best I've seen since Mosconi.
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Yes Miz would be ahead of most of the ones mentioned in his post. Though Mizerak and Sigel was always a toss up in 14.1 anytime they met. If they had held more U.S. Open 14.1 tournaments in their primes, both of them would have had some more championships I am sure.
And I agree with your comment that practicing is much different than winning a World Championship. Sigel touched on that very thing in his accustat video Sigel vs Mizerak. Where the whole tournament can be filled with 200-300 ball runners, but only 2-3 will make it to the finals.
