SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts

[gerryf]

I love how SVB is super charged about coming back. That’s the kind of guy that could very possibly run 800+ if he puts his mind to it!! The dude is a work horse and a machine and I have no doubts in his drive to do something big!!

I understood that the players invited to this event have their expenses covered, and will also receive some cash for their runs, with the highest runs getting bonus money. Is that right?

This evening I was listening to some old-timers who played 14.1 during the 1960s and 1970s. They were a pretty funny bunch of guys. One of them said high runs in 14.1 are just plain boring, and no professional would choose to do it unless they were being paid for it. He gave Mosconi and another name I didn't recognize as examples of people who were paid to put in a minimum number of hours at their exhibitions, and that's when they'd run racks.

 

[RunoutJJ]

I understood that the players invited to this event have their expenses covered, and will also receive some cash for their runs, with the highest runs getting bonus money. Is that right?

This evening I was listening to some old-timers who played 14.1 during the 1960s and 1970s. They were a pretty funny bunch of guys. One of them said high runs in 14.1 are just plain boring, and no professional would choose to do it unless they were being paid for it. He gave Mosconi and another name I didn't recognize as examples of people who were paid to put in a minimum number of hours at their exhibitions, and that's when they'd run racks.

You would have to ask the guys running the show. As long as players are up for it what does it matter. Personally I think the younger players coming up really like to push themselves and this is an event that could do just that. Besting ones selve may be more important to them then having the highest run. I’m hope to see some interviews to see what the players say and what goals they have in mind.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I saw a time where Shane put a ball on one of the spots to see how close he was to his break ball. ...

I think it is unsportsmanlike conduct to use an out-of-play ball to measure.

 

[ideologist]

OK, but did he have the proscribed outline on the table?

Lou Figueroa
simple question

You are beyond annoying.

Good luck with your event, but no one is watching it for your sake

 

[iusedtoberich]

Is Shane finished for this multi-day stretch? Is he coming back? When does Ruslan start?

 

[JusticeNJ]

Is Shane finished for this multi-day stretch? Is he coming back? When does Ruslan start?

I think he's done for a bit, but Bobby mentioned he said he was coming back. Not sure when Ruslan is up.

 

[gerryf]

You would have to ask the guys running the show. As long as players are up for it what does it matter. Personally I think the younger players coming up really like to push themselves and this is an event that could do just that. Besting ones selve may be more important to them then having the highest run. I’m hope to see some interviews to see what the players say and what goals they have in mind.

I was thinking the same thing. But SVB and all the top professionals can go out and play a bunch of money games and have fun doing it. SVB looks a lot more animated playing 9-ball that he was this evening playing 14.1.

But with expenses covered and cash prizes, I wouldn't be surprised that there would be lots of new, young guns who'd be happy to spend weeks of subsidized living trying to set a record.

Someone on here earlier said he thought the next big record wouldn't be set by a top player, but by an ambitious and motivated young up-and-comer.

 

[RunoutJJ]

I think it is unsportsmanlike conduct to use an out-of-play ball to measure.

Players float the rack over the racking area all the time to see if the break ball is on the racking area! How is that unsportmans like again?

 

[Bob Jewett]

Players float the rack over the racking area all the time to see if the break ball is on the racking area! How is that unsportmans like again?

They should only be doing that if the table has not been marked. In that case, you just do the best you can to determine in/out. If you begin with one rule violation -- failure to mark the table -- it's not surprising it brings on another.

 

[RunoutJJ]

I was thinking the same thing. But SVB and all the top professionals can go out and play a bunch of money games and have fun doing it. SVB looks a lot more animated playing 9-ball that he was this evening playing 14.1.

But with expenses covered and cash prizes, I wouldn't be surprised that there would be lots of new, young guns who'd be happy to spend weeks of subsidized living trying to set a record.

Someone on here earlier said he thought the next big record wouldn't be set by a top player, but by an ambitious and motivated young up-and-comer.

I agree maybe Filler or Fedor?

 

[RunoutJJ]

They should only be doing that if the table has not been marked. In that case, you just do the best you can to determine in/out. If you begin with one rule violation -- failure to mark the table -- it's not surprising it brings on another.

I get what you are saying but I find some people just like to nit pic everything. I find it funny tbh

 

[gerryf]

I agree maybe Filler or Fedor?

Maybe even someone new. I was really surprised at Oliver Szolnoki and the Polish contingent, and I'm sure there are new players waiting in the wings in Taipei, Philippines, etc.,

 

[realkingcobra]

Well, one that is not too big and not too small, of course.

All you have to do is use any regular wooden rack with straight inside edges, then rack the balls on the templet rack, make sure to rack the templet where it's going to be used everytime. Put all the balls on the templet, then put the wooden rack around those balls, slide it from front to back, snug against the balls, then while holding it in place, remove all the balls. Once they're removed, then trace a rack line around the inside of that rack, that line will show you exactly where the edges of the balls sit, and if the 15th ball is in or outside of that line.

 

[realkingcobra]

The one benefit of a break ball being within a 1/16" of an inch from the racked balls is it makes it much easier to play a carom break shot of the side of the rack with the break ball, instead of trying to break the rack with the cue ball, allowing for a much harder break shot without sending the cue ball all over hell and back again.

 

[Bob Jewett]

All you have to do is use any regular wooden rack with straight inside edges, then rack the balls on the templet rack, make sure to rack the templet where it's going to be used everytime. Put all the balls on the templet, then put the wooden rack around those balls, slide it from front to back, snug against the balls, then while holding it in place, remove all the balls. Once they're removed, then trace a rack line around the inside of that rack, that line will show you exactly where the edges of the balls sit, and if the 15th ball is in or outside of that line.

Well, no. The outline is around the outside of the rack. It always has been. The is no reason to change it and there are good reasons not to change it.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... The Derby City 14.1 Challenge… they often used tournament tables, so no triangle outline.

I asked Marop about the later years. The tables were always marked, as the rules require.

The Diamond wooden triangle is particularly bad as it is thick and has a pointy end, but it was used and the tables were marked with it.

 

[AtLarge]

All you have to do is use any regular wooden rack with straight inside edges, then rack the balls on the templet rack, make sure to rack the templet where it's going to be used everytime. Put all the balls on the templet, then put the wooden rack around those balls, slide it from front to back, snug against the balls, then while holding it in place, remove all the balls. Once they're removed, then trace a rack line around the inside of that rack, that line will show you exactly where the edges of the balls sit, and if the 15th ball is in or outside of that line.

I think you are talking about a way to handle it if the rules were changed to use the racked balls to determine whether the 15th ball is left in place or moved to the head spot.

But drawing the line you mentioned won't do it. The edge of the 15th ball can actually be inside that line if the 15th ball is sort of "in the crack" between two of the racked balls.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... But drawing the line you mentioned won't do it. The edge of the 15th ball can actually be inside that line if the 15th ball is sort of "in the crack" between two of the racked balls.

More likely is that the break ball will overlap the foot spot which would be inside the "inline" of the triangle -- the space of the 15th ball which, of course, is not there. That point of the triangle in general does not (and must not) hug the ball on the head spot.

 

[markjames]

for the js626 a sardo rack was used-
that big old clunky dinosaur thing-
and i don’t remember seeing a triangle
outline on the table, i’ve seen some photos and video clips but i haven’t seen the
‘tea act trickle’ road show because

HE HASNT BROUGHT IT TO THE EAST COAST YET!

but that’s ok i’m sure that before he goes
back to the sandwich industry his ‘sir-cuss’
will pass through philadelphia, new york, and boston.

 

[realkingcobra]

I think you are talking about a way to handle it if the rules were changed to use the racked balls to determine whether the 15th ball is left in place or moved to the head spot.

But drawing the line you mentioned won't do it. The edge of the 15th ball can actually be inside that line if the 15th ball is sort of "in the crack" between two of the racked balls.

There's no way the 15th ball can sit in the crack between 2 balls in the rack unless it first crosses the parameter line around the outside of the racked racked balls. The line represents a wall around the balls that can't be crossed.

Want proof, place a business card against those 2 balls , across that crack, then see if you can make the cue ball sit in that crack without bending the business card.