My post was #1179. Show me where I quoted you or was talking about you? I don’t have a beef with anyone by the way. Just pointing out what looks like hypocrisy. Try to keep up
My apologies.
Lou Figueroa
My post was #1179. Show me where I quoted you or was talking about you? I don’t have a beef with anyone by the way. Just pointing out what looks like hypocrisy. Try to keep up
Get me one of those tables. Maybe I can break 50.Pocket dimensions don’t discredit a high run.
Bro, all due respect to you personally, but who do you think you are kidding??? It was always about John's run with you guys.It was not about John's run until all the accusations and rants started about our pocket specs.
That automatically leads to what John Schmidt did with his Rebco table and the BCA saying that no matter what he did it was all copacetic. No one tries to bust our chops on the pocket specs, I certainly don't bring up John Schmidt's table.
Lou Figueroa
Not talking about John, talking about YOUR event.Did John publish specs on his pockets?
Lou Figueroa
Check one:
Yes
or
No
This was published for the fourth set of attempts in May 2019.Did John publish specs on his pockets?
Lou Figueroa
Check one:
Yes
or
No
Was the table completely stock? Who set the table up?This was published for the fourth set of attempts in May 2019.
14.1 Challenge IV
Easy Street Billiards
Monterey, California
John Schmidt Equipment List:
Rebco Pocket Billiard Table 4½ x 9
Drop Pockets - No Ball Return
Simonis 760 Tournament Cloth Blue
5 inch Corner Pockets
5½ inch Side Pockets
Sardo Rack
Super Aramith Pro Belgian Billiard Balls
Predator P3 Red Butt
Predator Revo 12.4mm Carbon Composite Shaft
19.5 oz and 58 inches
Techno Dud Tip by Outsville
Taom Pyro Blue Chalk
Predator Second Skin Billiard Glove
Predator Urbain 3x5 Hard Case Red
Stock 5" pockets on a GC3 have a miter angle of 142/143 variable because Brunswick couldn't hold the same miter angle on both sides of the corner pockets for what ever reason.
But, starting from the point of the corner pocket on each side, if the pockets are parallel to each other the miter angles would be 135 degrees, meaning cut at a 45 degree miter, making both sides equal at the mouth and throat of the pocket, which in turn deflects the balls being pocketed deeper into the throat, hence, pocketing balls more easily.
At 142 degrees miter on both pocket angles creates a funnel effect, meaning the throat opening gets tighter/smaller the further back a ball goes.
Each degree is equal to a 1/16" of a change in pocket opening per side, so the throat of the pocket at the pocket casting would measure no larger than 4 1/4". That means 2 balls placed in the pocket opening wouldn't touch each other in the mouth of the pocket, but wouldn't pass by each other either in the throat because the throat of the pocket isn't wide enough to allow that. That is what was changed on this table, the throat of the pocket was widened purposely to accept balls that might not go in otherwise, and that takes intent, and don't happen just because the rail cushions were replaced.
rkc's right about the width difference between the pocket's mouth and throat - and we don't need caliper photos to know it. WPA specs call for corner pocket facings to be angled 7-8° from parallel on each side (142-143°) - simple geometry shows that's about 3/4" of total narrowing from the mouth to the throat with typical 2" cushions. So a 5" corner pocket should measure about 4 1/4" at the throat - i.e., 2 balls should jam there.And you expect me and everyone else to accept this because you say so?!
Show me caliper photos on a stock, straight from the factory GC3.
No idea -- ask the room.Was the table completely stock? Who set the table up?
Bro, all due respect to you personally, but who do you think you are kidding??? It was always about John's run with you guys.
I'm all for anything that creates interest in straight pool and commend the effort in that respect. But you two are the wrong guys to be in the front of this parade and then try to claim it's not about John's run.
Acknowledge the record and the greatness of the achievement. Doesn't supplant Willie's place in pool, which is obviously much more than 526. But just man up and acknowledge the 626 and admit you're trying to get someone to beat it. This "challenge" was about John Schmidt from its conception.
Not talking about John, talking about YOUR event.
No idea -- ask the room.
No thanks, I'm not playing that game of digging up posts. But you can see in this thread (and the Ruslan thread) people came out of the woodwork to basically say the same thing I did. People who have never said a cross word to you, Bobby, or the game of straight pool, or even to the forum in general. Now all of a sudden there are several of these people. Doesn't that make you say to yourself: "hmmm, maybe they are onto something?"Show me were I disparaged JS.
If, as you say, I did it for two years you should be able to come up with lots of quotes in which I'm "shitting on JS", no?
Lou Figueroa
thanks for being a 20 year fan
sorry to see you go
No thanks, I'm not playing that game of digging up posts. But you can see in this thread (and the Ruslan thread) people came out of the woodwork to basically say the same thing I did. People who have never said a cross word to you, Bobby, or the game of straight pool, or even to the forum in general. Now all of a sudden there are several of these people. Doesn't that make you say to yourself: "hmmm, maybe they are onto something?"
Me paraphrasing Lou:
Lou: Table is a GC3.
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: Oh, the table came out of a rec center.
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: The table was in storage for 15 years.
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: What did you expect after 15 years of storage, the rails needed to be replaced.
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: A top notch mechanic did the work. What did you expect after 15 years, the rails needed to be replaced.
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: We wanted the table to have similar pockets to Mosconi era conditions.
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: We showed a picture with calipers. What did JS show?
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
Lou: We will show all of you our superiority and shut down the live stream. Will that make all of you trolls happy?
Peanut gallery: Why do the pockets look weird?
You would have been more honest if this event was on a 6' Valley and Filler ran 1000 balls on it.
Exactly. More deflection. That's why I called you a liar.No, not at all.
What it tells me is that some people are sheep and will repeat what others have said as it were gospel without doing their own due diligence and research.
And there’s a reason it’s called “the peanut gallery.”
pea·nut gal·ler·y
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Lou Figueroa
- the top gallery in a theater where the cheaper seats are located.
- a group of people who criticize someone, often by focusing on insignificant details.
"he might find that playing the sport he loves isn't worth the aggravation from the peanut gallery's probing of his privacy"
Exactly. More deflection. That's why I called you a liar.
No peanut gallery here. I believe I was the first one to point out the pockets looked goofy before RKC jumped in. I am a free thinker and have an open mind. Do I not have a right to question what I see when I do not think it looks right? Sound familiar?No, not at all.
What it tells me is that some people are sheep and will repeat what others have said as it were gospel without doing their own due diligence and research.
And there’s a reason it’s called “the peanut gallery.”
pea·nut gal·ler·y
/ˈpēnət ˈɡal(ə)rē/
Learn to pronounce
noun
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
Lou Figueroa
- the top gallery in a theater where the cheaper seats are located.
- a group of people who criticize someone, often by focusing on insignificant details.
"he might find that playing the sport he loves isn't worth the aggravation from the peanut gallery's probing of his privacy"
No peanut gallery here. I believe I was the first one to point out the pockets looked goofy before RKC jumped in. I am a free thinker and have an open mind. Do I not have a right to question what I see when I do not think it looks right? Sound familiar?
Sorry, sir but the way the pockets are cut on a table setup for the purpose of high runs is hardly an "insignificant detail".
I get it so post a pic of the measurement at the throat of the pocket and put it to bed!Fair enough, however, I would ask you to consider, as Pat pointed out in his post a little ways back, that photos can lie though lens distortion and camera angle.
Lou Figueroa
Predator Urbain 3x5 Hard Case Red