SVB v Mike Decheine TAR31 on you tube
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I understand your point about maybe/maybe not losing money in the near term. That really isnt the issue though. It is my content to do with as I want. Other people dont get to decide I am not getting VOD done fast enough and just throw our stuff up for free.
Thank you for the kind words. I have a good lead on a vendor for VOD but have to wait till March to move forward.
Unfortunately as long as tube sites, torrents, and other forms of file sharing exist you can forget about keeping people from getting your content for free. Only way to insure that 100% is to never broadcast it. The music, movie, and even porn industry have learned that lesson the hard way. Yes it sucks for those producing the content no doubt but you either adapt or die.
The bright side for Justin is his niche is fairly small and I would be willing to bet a large % of his potential customers aren't very tech savy. So as long as a ton of his recorded streams aren't plastered all over youtube under obvious titles, and they aren't as of right now, he shouldn't lose a lot of customers IMO.
Again if ya wanna go full bore against any of your stuff being on youtube take a page from the major porn producers and hire a full time employee to do nothing but search and send out DMCA Notices and have an attorney to file suit against those who don't comply.
Just incase it's not clear to everyone NO I don't think it's ok to steal content. Myself I would love to see ALL the tube sites youtube included gone but that will never ever happen.
I do wish Justin and the whole TAR crew the best of luck in the future as just like everyone else here I do love being able to see matches I would otherwise never get to see or hear about.
The bright side for Justin is his niche is fairly small and I would be willing to bet a large % of his potential customers aren't very tech savy. So as long as a ton of his recorded streams aren't plastered all over youtube under obvious titles, and they aren't as of right now, he shouldn't lose a lot of customers IMO.
Again if ya wanna go full bore against any of your stuff being on youtube take a page from the major porn producers and hire a full time employee to do nothing but search and send out DMCA Notices and have an attorney to file suit against those who don't comply.
Just incase it's not clear to everyone NO I don't think it's ok to steal content. Myself I would love to see ALL the tube sites youtube included gone but that will never ever happen.
I do wish Justin and the whole TAR crew the best of luck in the future as just like everyone else here I do love being able to see matches I would otherwise never get to see or hear about.
Actually it's illegal under the DMCA. Not everyone agrees with this law but it's the law. Violators can be fined and jailed under this law. People have been sued and threatened with prosecution under the DCMA.
When something is under copyright you don't have to prove damages either. The infringement itself is a violation of the law. However if damages can be proven in a lawsuit then the infringer can held liable for triple that amount.
For example if Justin could prove that the expectation of seeing the matches uploaded to YouTube lowered the subscriptions by say 500 viewers at $30 a pop then that's $15000 x3 or $45,000 which the infringer would be ordered to pay. Of course this is not an easy thing to pin down but then again no one though that Samsung would have to Apple a billion dollars for copying the Ipad either.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with recording a live stream and then uploading it to a hosting site where it's kept private. This is no different than the old days when people recorded content from tv or even now when they record it with a DVR.
If the guy had done this from the beginning no one would have known it's there and he could watch Mike D. get spanked as often as he likes. However if he decided to email 100 of his closest friends and one of happened to share the link with Justin then it should be taken down by YouTube.
I have no problem using YouTube's servers to host videos which are private. That could be copyrighted content that I had every right to make a backup of. I have a problem sharing it with the world.
That said you can watch a crappy version of the Baltimore Bullet on my channel now. Feel free to tell whatever movie company owns it if you like. I figured that since they won't put it out on DVD in the USA then it's ok if I copied the crappy copy I found and uploaded it.
Unfortunately, it just takes one media savvy person to ruin it.
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I had someone copying my PPV content and putting it on Youtube. I do put several key matches on Youtube. At first I thought "WTH free advertising", the problem I had was they were putting it out there in much lower quality that I would, It was not reflective of the quality I like to put out.
I sent them a note asking them to please stop loading my content and they obliged. Never had to file anything with Youtube.
Ray
Some people that were going to buy it will wait if they know it's going to be free on utube in a few days. Johnnyt
This might not be the best place to put this but frankly I would LOVE to see the TAR matches go to a one day event that is MAYBE four hours long at most. I don't know how anyone has the time to watch an entire three day event from start to finish at 8+ hours a day.
Let people buy the PPV and have it be viewable for three days.
I mean TAR 2-3 events for 35 dollars is an incredible bargain but I can't remember that I was ever able to sit through one session all the way through without life interrupting it.
If I was in the States I would love to host TAR parties and get a bunch of folks together who otherwise would not buy a stream to hang out in my home pool room and watch it on the big screen. Kind of like a foot ball party. That would be way more fun than sitting in front of my laptop.
Let people buy the PPV and have it be viewable for three days.
I mean TAR 2-3 events for 35 dollars is an incredible bargain but I can't remember that I was ever able to sit through one session all the way through without life interrupting it.
If I was in the States I would love to host TAR parties and get a bunch of folks together who otherwise would not buy a stream to hang out in my home pool room and watch it on the big screen. Kind of like a foot ball party. That would be way more fun than sitting in front of my laptop.
The recent 10 ball and 8 ball matches I've watched came in right at about 4 hours.
Glad it's not you, but others absolutely have this mindset... guys who pass on the MMA pay-per-view for example, but still want to be part of the buzz, so they download a torrent of it which is usually only an hour or two behind the event. If TAR appeared on youtube regularly, (so far it's just sporadic), JCIN absolutely loses money.
This would make me sad. Even if you can't watch every minute, it's convenient in the sense you can randomly tune in at any time during this huge block of time... so no matter what your schedule looks like, there will be pool for you to watch. Day shift on friday but working saturday night? No problem, at least catch friday's show.
Also, we don't want to shorten the races any further, even if they aren't betting their own (lately). It's gotta be long enough for the cream to rise.
As a steady customer of TAR's events on PPV...Its not only wrong to the viewers that paid....Its flat out stealing JCIN's property. There is no way pirating TAR events and putting them on UTube will promote future TAR events. It will only hurt future PPV buys...and possibly force JCIN to fold up the tents eventually.
The TAR product is a bargain in the pool world. The free podcasts alone are a testimony to the commitment that TAR makes to the pool world. Lets not forget the players are compensated by TAR. In TAR's facility...broadcasted with TAR's equipment. TAR takes all of the risk putting these matches on....if no one buys the PPV..they still have the same expenses.
TAR is one of the few assets left in the pool world. Lets be as loyal to them as they are us.
The TAR product is a bargain in the pool world. The free podcasts alone are a testimony to the commitment that TAR makes to the pool world. Lets not forget the players are compensated by TAR. In TAR's facility...broadcasted with TAR's equipment. TAR takes all of the risk putting these matches on....if no one buys the PPV..they still have the same expenses.
TAR is one of the few assets left in the pool world. Lets be as loyal to them as they are us.
Justin, have you considered hosting your videos on youtube ppv? I remember Inside Pool doing that with a few of their select matches, and I found it to be pretty user friendly.
-roger
This is also true. I have spent any extra time tuning in as you describe and that has also been enjoyable. But I gotta tell you that it's sometimes straining to the family harmony to spend a big block of time watching pool.
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im just here to see what was shane van boening's winning score.:grin:
27-17 on Friday and 27-12 on Saturday.