SVB vs Mika day 3 score updates

[JB Cases]

Thats so true John. It would be good but I dont think these guys would have it. To lose 3 races (potentially) in 3 days is a lot of $$$

Well I think in the All-Around that Schmidt played they did something like make each set worth $3000 or something. So the net result was that they played for $20k in the middle but it was divided among three sets.

Both ways are exciting. I was really pulling for Mika to make a comeback today but Shane is just a monster now.

 

[sjm]

I think most of the past matches cited can be thrown out because Shane's ten ball break is even better than it was a year ago, an advantage that is amplified whenever he competes on big tables. Put him on a barbox and my sense is that Orcullo, Van Corteza, Pagulayan, and Yang, and possibly a couple of others are his equal or at least nearly so.

.....but, on the big tables, as he demonstrated against Mika this week and much moreso at Valley Forge this March, where he beat a very elite field into submission, when Shane has his break going, nobody can stay with him in ten ball. And, to be honest, Shane usually has his break going.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course, but I believe that on the big tables Shane is the best ten ball player in the world.

 

[Danktrees]

There's a reason Alex got back into the game with Shane...and that's because a certain person left the room...and so did Shane's attention span. If they played again today....it wouldn't even be close...as it was, Shane had a 28 game spread on Alex at one point...so you figure how how Alex came back....without Shane's help...by way of lack of attention to what he was doing why do you think...it hasn't happened again since then?

oh wow you bring that up and you won't bring up the fact that alex played him RIGHT AFTER he just won a major tournament. so yea, alex takes down a big multi day tournament and plays shane immediately right after that. he's already tired but he plays anyways and he's down after the first day. he claws back the second, falls behind again and proceeds to trounce him on the final day. it must be because shane didnt want to win. believe me when u have 10k on the line u wouldnt just start sending fliers in as u're nearing the finish line.

u argue that alex got back in because shane let him back in, i can take that same argument and just say that shane got a huge lead because alex helped him get that lead by not playing as well as he could have on the first few days. the difference being that alex took it all down when it mattered. i dont see anyone lining up to play alex either.

also, when a good player gets on a hot streak theres little u can do to stop them. u see it in both of the orcullo and yang matches. in the first race to 60 it was like 20-20 after the first day then yang just took off and destroyed him. in the second match yang was up big then dennis came back and was leading 42-35 only to have yang beat him 50-45. that's 15-3. so these things happen and its not just because the other guy is playing poorly. to say alex won just because shane got distracted or loss focus is ludicrous. that may have contributed to it a little bit but its not the only reason like u make it sound. u give alex no credit. how many players would still put up a fight against shane in 10 ball after falling behind 15-20 games? alex didnt do it just once, he did it everyday of that match actually. the first day he went down over 10 and clawed back, same with the second and third day. are you saying that that certain someone left the room everyday and caused shane to lose focus? i seriously doubt thats the case, alex just had the heart to continue fighting. then he caught a gear and finally passed him on the last day.

to make it clear tho, i'm not saying alex will rob him if they play again, but to think that svb will just rob alex is ridiculous.

lastly, shane was never up 28 games on alex in the entire set and to answer your question, it hasnt happened again since then because him and alex havent played another race to 100 since then.

 

[4.0x3.48]

Someone should get a screenshot of SVB and the cash.

 

[inside_english]

It's over....

Score
Shane = 100
Mika = 80

 

[qwerty123]

match

Shane wins 100-79

 

[Idaho]

oh wow you bring that up and you won't bring up the fact that alex played him RIGHT AFTER he just won a major tournament. so yea, alex takes down a big multi day tournament and plays shane immediately right after that. he's already tired but he plays anyways and he's down after the first day. he claws back the second, falls behind again and proceeds to trounce him on the final day. it must be because shane didnt want to win. believe me when u have 10k on the line u wouldnt just start sending fliers in as u're nearing the finish line.

u argue that alex got back in because shane let him back in, i can take that same argument and just say that shane got a huge lead because alex helped him get that lead by not playing as well as he could have on the first few days. the difference being that alex took it all down when it mattered. i dont see anyone lining up to play alex either.

also, when a good player gets on a hot streak theres little u can do to stop them. u see it in both of the orcullo and yang matches. in the first race to 60 it was like 20-20 after the first day then yang just took off and destroyed him. in the second match yang was up big then dennis came back and was leading 42-35 only to have yang beat him 50-45. that's 15-3. so these things happen and its not just because the other guy is playing poorly. to say alex won just because shane got distracted or loss focus is ludicrous. that may have contributed to it a little bit but its not the only reason like u make it sound. u give alex no credit. how many players would still put up a fight against shane in 10 ball after falling behind 15-20 games? alex didnt do it just once, he did it everyday of that match actually. the first day he went down over 10 and clawed back, same with the second and third day. are you saying that that certain someone left the room everyday and caused shane to lose focus? i seriously doubt thats the case, alex just had the heart to continue fighting. then he caught a gear and finally passed him on the last day.

to make it clear tho, i'm not saying alex will rob him if they play again, but to think that svb will just rob alex is ridiculous.

lastly, shane was never up 28 games on alex in the entire set and to answer your question, it hasnt happened again since then because him and alex havent played another race to 100 since then.

I think the point here is that all of these guys can beat one another on any given day. Alex came off of a tournament last time, but Shane just came off a win in Nicaragua last weekend also. I am a huge fan of the Lion, but until they have a rematch it seems this format fits SVB very well. Once he gets his break going it he is very hard to beat.

 

[Danktrees]

Personally I think it's pretty interesting that in all the times the Filipinos have been to the USA for events none of them except Alex (who is really Canadian) have ever challenged Shane to a TAR match. Surely they have backers to whom 10k is pocket change.

Why no Dennis, Efren, Lee Van, Roberto Gomez or any of them?

That's the next big one I'd think.

well alex is canadian but he's never here so i dont know why you would look at him differently than the other filipinos.

and they did play some tar matches just not a race to 100. if i remember correctly, i think it was in dcc 2009, lee van asked shane to play and for whatever reason, shane declined. he ended up playing bustamante instead.

i could be wrong but i think they'd like to play more than one set. we asians like to gamble till one person is broke so they're probably just not that interested in the format. i say this because u can see that they will gamble with him on tar as there's dvds of them playing shorter races, just not races to 100.

 

[Danktrees]

I think the point here is that all of these guys can beat one another on any given day. Alex came off of a tournament last time, but Shane just came off a win in Nicaragua last weekend also. I am a huge fan of the Lion, but until they have a rematch it seems this format fits SVB very well. Once he gets his break going it he is very hard to beat.

yes but i think there's a huge difference between playing a few days after winning a tournament and starting a race to 100 an hour or so after u just took down a multi day tournament against the best players in the world. it's not so much about winning the tournament, it's more about spending so much energy trying to stay mentally focused to win the tournament. it's very very hard to concentrate right after that, u just wanna go to sleep. instead, alex decided to start the race to 100 right away and fell way behind that it took him 2 days to catch up.

 

[JB Cases]

oh wow you bring that up and you won't bring up the fact that alex played him RIGHT AFTER he just won a major tournament. so yea, alex takes down a big multi day tournament and plays shane immediately right after that. he's already tired but he plays anyways and he's down after the first day. he claws back the second, falls behind again and proceeds to trounce him on the final day. it must be because shane didnt want to win. believe me when u have 10k on the line u wouldnt just start sending fliers in as u're nearing the finish line.

u argue that alex got back in because shane let him back in, i can take that same argument and just say that shane got a huge lead because alex helped him get that lead by not playing as well as he could have on the first few days. the difference being that alex took it all down when it mattered. i dont see anyone lining up to play alex either.

also, when a good player gets on a hot streak theres little u can do to stop them. u see it in both of the orcullo and yang matches. in the first race to 60 it was like 20-20 after the first day then yang just took off and destroyed him. in the second match yang was up big then dennis came back and was leading 42-35 only to have yang beat him 50-45. that's 15-3. so these things happen and its not just because the other guy is playing poorly. to say alex won just because shane got distracted or loss focus is ludicrous. that may have contributed to it a little bit but its not the only reason like u make it sound. u give alex no credit. how many players would still put up a fight against shane in 10 ball after falling behind 15-20 games? alex didnt do it just once, he did it everyday of that match actually. the first day he went down over 10 and clawed back, same with the second and third day. are you saying that that certain someone left the room everyday and caused shane to lose focus? i seriously doubt thats the case, alex just had the heart to continue fighting. then he caught a gear and finally passed him on the last day.

to make it clear tho, i'm not saying alex will rob him if they play again, but to think that svb will just rob alex is ridiculous.

lastly, shane was never up 28 games on alex in the entire set and to answer your question, it hasnt happened again since then because him and alex havent played another race to 100 since then.

A superb analysis.

 

[JB Cases]

well alex is canadian but he's never here so i dont know why you would look at him differently than the other filipinos.

and they did play some tar matches just not a race to 100. if i remember correctly, i think it was in dcc 2009, lee van asked shane to play and for whatever reason, shane declined. he ended up playing bustamante instead.

i could be wrong but i think they'd like to play more than one set. we asians like to gamble till one person is broke so they're probably just not that interested in the format. i say this because u can see that they will gamble with him on tar as there's dvds of them playing shorter races, just not races to 100.

It was a joke. Alex is both Canadian and Filipino. Since he ran around with Wiseman and Duell growing up he is as "western" as any American or Canadian. And the way he attacks the table and plays his heart out he is as "Filipino" as anyone there.

Alex is my favorite player bar none.

I just think it's time to see the other Filipinos step in the box in the race to 100 format with Shane in Shane's country.

I honestly don't think that there is any American player who wants any part of SVB in this format anymore. Where is Dennis Hatch at?

 

[shinobi]

I honestly don't think that there is any American player who wants any part of SVB in this format anymore. Where is Dennis Hatch at?

I'd still expect SVB to win, but would love to see that.

 

[Mr Hoppe]

I'm glad it's over. I've had all of the Duran Duran I can take! :sorry:

 

[thuglife520]

Scott Frost has the nads,skills, and the backing. He has lost in tar to shane before, but he is the only one with the 'heart' to step up and has beaten SVB before on long races not on TAR. maybe mix in a bar box, 9 ball, 10 ball, and one pocket 25 games each.

CAN YOU DIG IT.

After this night Mika is still great, he is just not a true blooded huster. Husters grind, fight, kick, scrap, and do whatever necessary even if it takes hours and your game is off and you gotta grind a little. Lots of Pros can win tourneys, but a race to 100 is the best format to lay it all on the line and bring out the true essence of the great game of pool

 

[Spimp13]

Scott Frost has the nads,skills, and the backing. He has lost in tar to shane before, but he is the only one with the 'heart' to step up and has beaten SVB before on long races not on TAR.

Please elaborate on this...I saw him get torched about 150-106 if I remember right on the final score which was the TAR match here in Des Moines. What long race has he beaten Shane and for how much? How long ago? I always root for our hometown guy so if this is true, that is pretty sweet.

 

[vladmin]

Alex displayed an incredible amount of effort and concentration on day 3 of that race against Shane. No wonder why people call him The Lion.

However, in 10 ball, I don't think - right now at least - that there is a player who can stand in Shane's way on a race that goes anywhere from 20 games up.

If Im not mistaken, Lee Van beat him in the 10 ball Championship this year on a race to 11 but again, Im thinking long races.

Shane's break is insane, I've never seen anyone who has a better break in 10 ball. And that is the most essential part in 10 ball. Running out at their level is pretty much guaranteed if you get a good spread

 

[GMAC]

Scott Frost has the nads,skills, and the backing. He has lost in tar to shane before, but he is the only one with the 'heart' to step up and has beaten SVB before on long races not on TAR. maybe mix in a bar box, 9 ball, 10 ball, and one pocket 25 games each.

CAN YOU DIG IT.

After this night Mika is still great, he is just not a true blooded huster. Husters grind, fight, kick, scrap, and do whatever necessary even if it takes hours and your game is off and you gotta grind a little. Lots of Pros can win tourneys, but a race to 100 is the best format to lay it all on the line and bring out the true essence of the great game of pool

A race to 100 is the best format for Shane, but it doesn't mean it is the best fromat for all players. When you gamble you have to try and make a game that suits you.

If I was Mika and I knew the guy had a huge break adavntage (and he knew) over me I would have never played him 10 ball. I would have told him: Listen Shane we won the last three US OPen 9 ball titles why dont we play 9ball to prove who the best 9 ball player in the world is. I would never step into a match with a guy who is so dominate in one area of the game over me.

Shane and TAR basically invented this race to a 100 format because it suits Shane's game. Everyone has followed in lock step and played Shane his game and his format. Shane is a smart guy and he deserves credit not only for having the best 10 ball break on the planet but knowing how to take full advantage of it. I believe at this point if he gets to play on the same table for three days he can't be beat. He safe game and his return safeties are so strong now he has almost zero weaknesses. I love his game and how smart he matches up.

What I would love to see is Shane actually fall real far behind in one of these matches and catch a crazy gear and comeback. I'm just not sure anyone is good enough to get ahead of Shane by a lot of games.

 

[jay helfert]

No question, Shane plays great Ten Ball and has an awesome break. There are still several filipinos who can give him trouble at that very game - Ten Ball, Race To 100. Let's see, there's Francisco, Lee Vann, Dennis and Alex just to name four. Among his fellow Americans, only Johnny and Dennis Hatch are yet to be conquered. I for one, would like to see him match-up with either one of these guys.

 

[JB Cases]

What I would love to see is Shane actually fall real far behind in one of these matches and catch a crazy gear and comeback. I'm just not sure anyone is good enough to get ahead of Shane by a lot of games.

Wasn't Shane behind against Donnie Mills? Shane played Donnie's game on Donnie's table and was getting tortured by Donnie's consistency until Shane changed the game by going to his hard break.

 

[Eric.]

Among his fellow Americans, only Johnny and Dennis Hatch are yet to be conquered. I for one, would like to see him match-up with either one of these guys.

Dennis Hatch v. SVB is already in talks, Jay. If it goes off, early talk is shooting for February, 2011.

Dennis said he would play. SVB said he would play. John Mars will go in with SVB.


Eric >thats all for now