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Accept My Apology !

Thanks Matt 4 bringing to my attention that Cuetec now manufactures a shaft without the fiberglass overlay.

Years ago at the BCA I inquired at a Cuetec distributor about having any smaller shafts available and he told me that only the 13mm fiberglass shaft was available.
I'm happy to hear that Cuetec has become a little more flexible with shaft production.
I have enjoyed using my Cuetec for many years. I also highly recommend Cuetec to anyone who will listen. My reasoning has always been that they don't ding and remain straight as an arrow!

I will also make an apology to Shane at the Mosconi Cup.

Sincerely,
The Fool4Pool ( Over 55 Years )
Noel
 
If you look at this month's Billiards Digest, it looks like Shane has his old Schon in action. Just asking...

I think it is a stock photo.He is wearing a BCA Pool Leagues logo on his shirt.I think it has been more than a couple of years since he has represented them.


Hmmmm,kinda brings up a question about the use of stock photos by a major reporter when a player has clearly changed his/her affiliation.
 
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I really don't understand the pathological need for people here to try to knock the action of players.

Let's say that what you say is not true and the guy who owns Cuetec happens to read it and fires Shane? Will you feel really good about yourself that you cost the guy his sponsorship?

Now what if it is true? Do you REALLY need to report it? Is it saving the world's consumers if you make the world aware that Shane was using a shaft not made by Cuetec?

And how do you know it wasn't made by Cuetec?

If you look at this month's Billiards Digest, it looks like Shane has his old Schon in action. Just asking...

If BD used an old stock photo of Shane with a different cue on it's current cover, that sounds a lot more like a pathological need to knock someone's action than a post by some guy on an internet forum. After all, if you are worried that Jones Chang might stumble across a post buried in some internet forum causing him to fire Shane, what effect do you think showing Shane with a different cue on the current cover of an industry leading rag will do?

Your outrage should be directed at Billiard Digest rather than the OP. After all, the OP did say he thought Shane was playing with a different cue. That sounds like a qualified statement to me, rather than a flat out statement of fact that you suggest it was.
 
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Stock photo.He is wearing a BCA Pool Leagues logo on his shirt.I think it has been more than a couple of years since he has represented them.


Hmmmm,kinda brings up a question about the use of stock photos by a major reporter when a player has clearly changed his/her affiliation.

Thanks for the clarification. I remember seeing Shane at the US Open last year and at the SBE and he was using the Cuetec cue so it struck me as odd.
 
I really don't understand the pathological need for people here to try to knock the action of players.

Let's say that what you say is not true and the guy who owns Cuetec happens to read it and fires Shane? Will you feel really good about yourself that you cost the guy his sponsorship?

Now what if it is true? Do you REALLY need to report it? Is it saving the world's consumers if you make the world aware that Shane was using a shaft not made by Cuetec?

And how do you know it wasn't made by Cuetec?

Wow, you just reinforced the idea that pool players are worthless, lowlife thieves. Nice work. :angry:

"Knock the action" of somebody playing before others.. Is this like Buddy or somebody throwing a game and calling them on it? Based on this post, being a lying, thieving no-good person should be protected.

He asked a question on a forum, get over it. If Shane wasn't using what he was being paid to use, that's on him - it's not on some forum poster. What kind of backwards logic is that? Again, you're just reinforcing the idea that pool is a crappy sport filled with crappy people.

If somebody based their hirings/firings of sponsored professionals off of the inquiries of internet forum posters, I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for that person anyways.

Really, you need to read what you write before you post it..

I'm sure if he lost a sponsorship, somebody would be more than happy to go around posting sales ads for him once a week, whether or not they're for anything worthwhile. :rolleyes:
 
I'm only offering what I know, which you just confirmed with the bolded comment. I never said everybody uses something different. A lot of times it's made to their specs, as I had done for me as well.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

No you don't know anything. I said a COUPLE times, not all the time, not most of the time, a COUPLE, a few.

You said most. Maybe YOU should think before you try to speak for the professionals.

What major brand were you sponsored by where you had them make you a cue that was very different than what they sell off-the-rack to consumers?

See, now you are going from "Most" to " a lot of the times", to "I had it done for me".......
 
Wow, you just reinforced the idea that pool players are worthless, lowlife thieves. Nice work. :angry:

"Knock the action" of somebody playing before others.. Is this like Buddy or somebody throwing a game and calling them on it? Based on this post, being a lying, thieving no-good person should be protected.

He asked a question on a forum, get over it. If Shane wasn't using what he was being paid to use, that's on him - it's not on some forum poster. What kind of backwards logic is that? Again, you're just reinforcing the idea that pool is a crappy sport filled with crappy people.

If somebody based their hirings/firings of sponsored professionals off of the inquiries of internet forum posters, I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for that person anyways.

Really, you need to read what you write before you post it..

I'm sure if he lost a sponsorship, somebody would be more than happy to go around posting sales ads for him once a week, whether or not they're for anything worthwhile. :rolleyes:

Huh, are you high?

The person who posted that Shane is NOT using a Cuetec shaft using the title - "Just the facts". So no, it's on the people who REPORT things as facts when they don't know them to be facts.

It's people who report nonsense like this that makes it sound like all pool players are untrustworthy.

They aren't and I know that. But you are a fool if you think that the people who sponsor players aren't monitoring the online conversations about their brands. And whether you would want to work with someone who would fire someone based on a report on a message board is not relevant. The point is that people should really NOT report things AS FACT if they don't know that it's a fact or not. Because doing so COULD be harmful even if it's not maliciously done.

You're the ONLY guy in this thread using the words "lying, thieving, scumbags" to describe pool players. Apparently YOU have some "issues" that you need to work out.

All I said is that UNLESS, UNLESS a person knows FOR A FACT that a player is NOT using the cue he is sponsored with then he should consider either not saying anything OR at least making it known that it's his OPINION. That way OTHER PEOPLE who read it will know that the opinion requires some backup to be taken as fact or some rebuttal from others so that it can be dismissed.

Because the KNOCK can have consequences. Whether or not those consequences are justified or deserved is another topic. But Shane should not have to FADE people picking up his cue at events and then having people come on here and say that they know FOR A FACT that he is not using Cuetec cues when they aren't even up to speed on what model of Cuetec Shane is using and the fact that Shane is using a wood shaft MADE BY CUETEC.

Got it?

I doubt it, but I am sure other readers will understand.
 
Yeah, I didn't see any degree of wavering. I saw a guy come in and post erroneously calling it fact.

The cue equipment sponsorship thing is interesting. A player of Shane's ability can take a stock production cue with a nice tip and run 7 racks of call shot 10 Ball on a super tight diamond. Pro golfers have their sponsored equipment tweaked constantly, but no off the rack sticks could handle their swing speeds and even the best amateurs' games would be severely handicapped by using a top-flight pro's clubs.

I'm pretty well known in the Los Angeles area and I can't walk into a pool room without somebody asking me my opinion on this or that. I use a JB cue case and I think I should be sponsored, I've probably sold 2 hundred cases for them (and I don't want some Whitten or Justice disguised to look like a JB).

Thanks

Kevin
 
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And one day at band camp......C'mon ,why can't discussions be enlightening even if there's disagreements?It always turns into a "keyboard bashing" event.
 
If BD used an old stock photo of Shane with a different cue on it's current cover, that sounds a lot more like a pathological need to knock someone's action than a post by some guy on an internet forum. After all, if you are worried that Jones Chang might stumble across a post buried in some internet forum causing him to fire Shane, what effect do you think showing Shane with a different cue on the current cover of an industry leading rag will do?

Your outrage should be directed at Billiard Digest rather than the OP. After all, the OP did say he thought Shane was playing with a different cue. That sounds like a qualified statement to me, rather than a flat out statement of fact that you suggest it was.

Well, Jim could have mentioned in the first post that he saw the current BD cover with Shane using the Schon and that would have framed the discussion around the use of OLD images for current covers. Obviously a sponsor wants their player to make the covers of leading magazines and be shown using their equipment and sporting their logo.

So yes, as a sponsor I am disappointed in Billiard Digest's choice.

But I am also disappointed that people would stand up and say that Shane is NOT using the Cuetec when he clearly is. If you're going to be a citizen reporter and report your observations then there is an obligation to be factual and not speculative. If you say I was there and I saw it with my own eyes then people will tend to take you at your word.

If in fact you were not sure then you should use words that reflect that so that others can chime in and either corroborate your observation or correct it.

As to the assertion by Lance Salazar that "most" pros in pool don't use the equipment provided to them, speaking of cues, that is not true in my experience. In my experience most pros use the cues they are given with slight modifications, changes that ANY pool player might do to their cues. New tip, different wrap, change the weight, different ferrule, etc...

SOME players do more extensive mods like use a different shaft by a different maker, some don't use the brand they are sponsored by when they are gambling. SOME, not all, not 50% not most, a few. In my experience. A lot of them use the equipment they get right out of the box without changing anything.

The whole purpose of sponsorship is to use the player to introduce the brand to the consumer. Unless the advertising states that the player is using the EXACT same model with no changes that any consumer can buy then one should always make the assumption that whatever the player has in his hands is what he likes. Just because he likes it doesn't mean you will.

But BECAUSE he wears a logo the hope is that you will try it and like it. If the cue company did a good job then most consumers who pick it up should like it. If they don't then all the sponsorship in the world won't help much.

But when someone comes out with the flat out knock and says that player X does not really use brand X then that defeats the whole reason for sponsoring players.

Now, if the player is really blatantly not using the brand then sure report it. But if you're not sure then leave it alone. Because you're screwing with people's livelihood's and people's investments.

I could register 20 accounts and knock all my competitor's sponsored players by insinuating that those players don't actually use the products that they are sponsored by. And they could do the same to our brands. What's the benefit to that for anyone?

If that happened then what little sponsorship there is for players would dry up even more.

So be responsible in what you "report" is all I ask.
 
Sometimes when kept on track these threads are pretty interesting about what the pros are using. Wasnt there a thread, or several over the years that had a list of the top players and the cues they play with?
 
Yeah, I didn't see any degree of wavering. I saw a guy come in and post erroneously calling it fact.

The cue equipment sponsorship thing is interesting. A player of Shane's ability can take a stock production cue with a nice tip and run 7 racks of call shot 10 Ball on a super tight diamond. Pro golfers have their sponsored equipment tweaked constantly, but no off the rack sticks could handle their swing speeds and even the best amateurs' games would be severely handicapped by using a top-flight pro's clubs.

I'm pretty well known in the Los Angeles area and I can't walk into a pool room without somebody asking me my opinion on this or that. I use a JB cue case and I think I should be sponsored, I've probably sold 2 hundred cases for them (and I don't want some Whitten or Justice disguised to look like a JB).

Thanks

Kevin

Glad this post got dredged up, since this is a common misconception (golf wise). There are a number of PGA Tour golfers who's swing speed would not match up with my clubs (mine would be TOO STIFF for them). Someone with a LONG, slow tempo-ed swing (even if their swing speed is 120+mph) doesn't need a XX stiff shaft like a short swinging, fast tempo-ed (read: harsher transition) player that may in fact have a slower swing speed. Nowadays most shaft companies can fit most golfers in a certain swing speed (let's still take 120 mph) in a certain flex and custom tune launch angles etc. by a) flex point b) torque rating and c) weight. So, if you see JB Holmes (short swing, WICKED transition) playing the SAME shaft as Fred Couples (smooth yet fast swing)....it could just be that Freddy has a mid kick, light shaft, with a 4.0 torque rating while JB has a high kick, heavier shaft, with a 2.0 torque rating. The shafts could look completely IDENTICAL to the naked eye, and both have an X flex rating.

I have absolutely no idea why I had to get that out there....lol

yeah I do, I don't get to talk golf equipment enough anymore :p :cool:


oh BTW, the whole "off the shelf" vs. "made in the TOUR van" thing is WAY overhyped....I have friends that work in said "tour vans". The driver heads are hand picked from the SAME assembly line as the ones that end up in Dick's Sporting Goods or Golf Galaxy 99.9% of the time. There occasionally will be a prototype made for tour players that does not make it to the retail market.
 
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Sometimes when kept on track these threads are pretty interesting about what the pros are using. Wasnt there a thread, or several over the years that had a list of the top players and the cues they play with?

I think Linda Chen did one when the IPT was going. She had a list iirc that listed the pros and their cues, at least the cue brands that they were sponsored with.
 
I think Linda Chen did one when the IPT was going. She had a list iirc that listed the pros and their cues, at least the cue brands that they were sponsored with.

Players sponserd by cue companies or custom cues players are using would be neat to see how many people are using the cues we see everyday.
 
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Glad this post got dredged up, since this is a common misconception (golf wise). There are a number of PGA Tour golfers who's swing speed would not match up with my clubs (mine would be TOO STIFF for them). Someone with a LONG, slow tempo-ed swing (even if their swing speed is 120+mph) doesn't need a XX stiff shaft like a short swinging, fast tempo-ed (read: harsher transition) player that may in fact have a slower swing speed. Nowadays most shaft companies can fit most golfers in a certain swing speed (let's still take 120 mph) in a certain flex and custom tune launch angles etc. by a) flex point b) torque rating and c) weight. So, if you see JB Holmes (short swing, WICKED transition) playing the SAME shaft as Fred Couples (smooth yet fast swing)....it could just be that Freddy has a mid kick, light shaft, with a 4.0 torque rating while JB has a high kick, heavier shaft, with a 2.0 torque rating. The shafts could look completely IDENTICAL to the naked eye, and both have an X flex rating.

I have absolutely no idea why I had to get that out there....lol

yeah I do, I don't get to talk golf equipment enough anymore :p :cool:


oh BTW, the whole "off the shelf" vs. "made in the TOUR van" thing is WAY overhyped....I have friends that work in said "tour vans". The driver heads are hand picked from the SAME assembly line as the ones that end up in Dick's Sporting Goods or Golf Galaxy 99.9% of the time. There occasionally will be a prototype made for tour players that does not make it to the retail market.

Things have changed. I remember when I was a kid (a million years ago) watching The King testing for a new 5 iron on the range. He had like 10 of them, all "off the shelf" and his caddy would unwrap them and hand one to Palmer. Some he would reject after one shot. I remember being amazed that that swing of his could contain that type of feel.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Things have changed. I remember when I was a kid (a million years ago) watching The King testing for a new 5 iron on the range. He had like 10 of them, all "off the shelf" and his caddy would unwrap them and hand one to Palmer. Some he would reject after one shot. I remember being amazed that that swing of his could contain that type of feel.

Thanks

Kevin

with launch monitors and frequency testing of shafts, etc. it has REALLY changed. lol.

Funny story though, someone took Bobby Jones' clubs and frequency tested the shafts just for giggles (Bobby at the time was quite old), and Bobby said, "they are all the same, except the 5 iron; it's a little stouter".....he was right on the money (according to the test). FEEL still has a place in the game :wink: :p
 
with launch monitors and frequency testing of shafts, etc. it has REALLY changed. lol.

Funny story though, someone took Bobby Jones' clubs and frequency tested the shafts just for giggles (Bobby at the time was quite old), and Bobby said, "they are all the same, except the 5 iron; it's a little stouter".....he was right on the money (according to the test). FEEL still has a place in the game :wink: :p

It was his 8-iron. ;)
 
When I met Shane in 2006 he was using the Joss cue that has "SHANE" spelled out in the points that Danny Janes made for him when he was kid. Around 2007ish he switched to mainly playing with his mom's Schon R4. Sometimes he used the Joss shaft on the Schon butt and then eventually went to a Schon shaft.

Since he signed the Cuetec deal I can't recall him playing with anything else. I do know he doesnt travel with anything but the Cuetec cues. At least at any event I have seen him at that I can remember.

I have hit with all of Shane's cues over the years and the funny thing is the Cuetec plays better than both the Joss and the Schon he was using. IMO of course. The Joss shaft on the Schon butt hit just exactly like shit. Pretty sure it was because the shaft and joint weren't flush.

As long as I'm writing a novel on Shane's cues here's a funny story: When he first started playing with his first Cuetec (black with shiny silver decals Nasty said it looked like a fishing lure) the damn thing had to weigh 22oz. I mentioned it and he just shrugged and kept on rolling then in Florida at the Mizerak a few more people asked how he could play with something that heavy. I am setting up for a stream and look over at Shane, the night before the event, taking what looked like ten weight bolts out of the ass end of his cue. When he was done it probably weighed 17 ounces. It had me cracking up.

His current cue is a straight black R360 that weighs I would guess in the 18's with a sliver of a Kamui hard tip on it. Thing hits hard as hell. Shane could beat the world playing with a fishing rod if the check was right.
 
No you don't know anything. I said a COUPLE times, not all the time, not most of the time, a COUPLE, a few.

You said most. Maybe YOU should think before you try to speak for the professionals.

What major brand were you sponsored by where you had them make you a cue that was very different than what they sell off-the-rack to consumers?

See, now you are going from "Most" to " a lot of the times", to "I had it done for me".......

You just confirmed what I already knew. Ignorance is bliss, keep on truckin'.

If you want to know my specifics, keep it off the board and PM me.
 
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You just confirmed what I already knew. Ignorance is bliss, keep on truckin'.

If you want to know my specifics, keep it off the board and PM me.

I have no idea who you are. Maybe you don't know who I am. That's cool. Because I do know what I have done in 20+ years of being in this business, who I have sponsored, who my friends in the biz have sponsored and what it's like on the road.

So before you jump up to tell me about the pool business maybe you should do your homework.

All I know is that I put money and product into player's hands. What tournaments did you get on TV in to show off the brands you were sponsored by?
 
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