Swanee Tournament at Hard Times
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Harada failed to mark up a game, match score progressed to Harada 6 (actually7) - Robinson 5, them 6-6 and then Robinson won a game and the match.
Numerous people knew about the wrong score including Robinson's mother who was said to have texted him mid match about the error.
Robinson had the chance to do the right thing and concede the match but he made a decision that speaks volumes about his character... "I win"
Do not blame the kid, sadly, most of today's kids, lack the experience of affection, and gotten used to dealing with each others via electronic media, and the electronic killing machines so harshly, to the point where they are behaving in the same manner face to face with each other, and sadly some of them take it out on their parents. Not sure of his opponent's age, is it Craig his name, but he may not took it as harshly as we old generation did? just a twist on the subject.
Just one more thing that was/is wrong with old time pools mob like rules. If you snooze and forget to put up a score you lose...don't anyone tell him. Forget to tell someone they are on two fouls...don't anyone step in and say it is three. A friend of yours is getting hustled by someone much better than him. Don't tell him. Commit a foul that the other player didn't see...don't anyone tell him. Builds character...NOT. Johnnyt
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" I heard nothing, I saw nothing and I know nothing" and that is what the old school believed.
New school believes in taking the picture (with a cell phone) of the swindler and his car license plate and send a text message of that picture to the guy that is getting swindled.
New school believes in taking the picture (with a cell phone) of the swindler and his car license plate and send a text message of that picture to the guy that is getting swindled.
Dave hemmah
When I played Dave hemmah. I had forgotten to mark up my second game when I won my third cause I was so sick about a couple of careless mistakes. He reminded me that I had three games.
It almost came down to hill hill but I'm sure if I had been able to squeeze put the win Dave would not have regretted reminding me of the missed game at all. This is supposed to be a gentleman's game and that's exactly what Dave hemmah is.
There should be more pros like him.
Jaden
When I played Dave hemmah. I had forgotten to mark up my second game when I won my third cause I was so sick about a couple of careless mistakes. He reminded me that I had three games.
It almost came down to hill hill but I'm sure if I had been able to squeeze put the win Dave would not have regretted reminding me of the missed game at all. This is supposed to be a gentleman's game and that's exactly what Dave hemmah is.
There should be more pros like him.
Jaden
In my opinion .... It's up to me to mark my games. If I fail to then I'm not going to be pissed at my opponent , I'm going to be pissed at myself . I don't tell my opponent to mark his game and I don't expect him to tell me. It's an error. If you can't keep up with your score don't get pissed at someone else for YOUR mistake. Mistakes cost you games.... This particular 1 cost him 1 game.
Did Robinson make it Sunday and get some prize money? That's all that matters.
Only thing I'd clarify is that around the start of their break at 6-6, it was suggested that the kid was texted earlier in the match informing him of the situation. Later when Daniel Busch returned to the commentating booth, he made a correction, stating that she actually texted him during the break at 6-6. Harada also learned about the situation over the break -- and talked to the TD about the situation. He then returned and played out the match, losing the game & match to Robinson.
TD Dave Hemmah came into the booth after play resumed and there was a brief discussion about all this. One of the comments was that once Harada got to (actual) 7-6, his playing another game to make it 6-6 (on the beads) made it too late to make a score correction - I wish I could remember the exact language used. He continued, saying that despite video and Pool-Trax coverage, that the official score was that maintained by the players on the beads.
Agree with comments above about Hemmah, he's a class act.
It doesn't matter that the other kid could have if he won that game...which he did? Johnnyt
Yes, Chris did cash
"TD Dave Hemmah came into the booth after play resumed and there was a brief discussion about all this. One of the comments was that once Harada got to (actual) 7-6, his playing another game to make it 6-6 (on the beads) made it too late to make a score correction - I wish I could remember the exact language used. He continued, saying that despite video and Pool-Trax coverage, that the official score was that maintained by the players on the beads."
By this logic if a player by accident marks up one game too many for himself on the wire and his opponent does not notice, if play continues, when he gets to in this case, 7, he wins? Just because the other guy didn't see it?
What am I missing?
Once one player gets to 7, it's over. He could get up on the table and dance after that.... how does it change the score?
Robin Snyder
By this logic if a player by accident marks up one game too many for himself on the wire and his opponent does not notice, if play continues, when he gets to in this case, 7, he wins? Just because the other guy didn't see it?
What am I missing?
Once one player gets to 7, it's over. He could get up on the table and dance after that.... how does it change the score?
Robin Snyder
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One time at the Swanee, I was playing in the wrong side of the upstairs part of Hollywood Billiards and the tables were turned the other direction of what we were used to. I was playing this young guy from Las Vegas who brought his wife to watch. I had him down something like 5-1 and started moving my coin the wrong direction. After 3 games I was now only up 2 - 1 and couldn't believe my mistake when I saw where his coin was. I mentioned it to him and neither of us knew the score but we knew it wasn't 2 - 1. Anyway, I just said let's go from here. I am pretty sure he had noticed but it was a mis-match and I won the next 5 in a row and basically beat the kid twice.
I don't hold it against him, it was my own dumb fault. Greg probably feels the same.
From what I heard, Greg handled the situation with class and dignity, owning his error and not crying about it or making demands on the tournament staff to negate his own error, like I've seen others do. Greg's parents can be proud they raised a stand up guy who takes ownership of his mistakes. On the flip side, if Chris did in fact know about the scoring error and didn't do the sportsman-like thing and notify his opponent, he's got a lot to learn. It's sad for his parents, really. Even sadder that he now has this "reputation" at such a young age.
Greg is a class act to watch play too. He has great demeanor at the table.
Whoa!
I did a little fact finding on this matter. I still don't have the whole story, I'm sure.
From what I'm told, Chris didn't know the score was wrong. His mon texted him and asked if he already lost. With that, he went to his trusted buddy, Jerry Matchin and asked about this. Jerry asked why this is being questioned. No other words were exchanged and play resumed.
I happen to know Chris well and he's a stand up kid. In my long experience with seeing pool playing youngsters, I've seen many slippery characters. Chris is NOT one of them. To me, he's a pleasure to have in the pool room - as nice as anyone I come in contact with.
The best I can tell, Chris was confronted with something he didn't know how to handle. I might have been tripped up myself, not being sure what to make of it. Eric is also a straight up guy from what I can tell. So this probably could've been resolved with little trouble but as luck would have it, things went sideways.
I did a little fact finding on this matter. I still don't have the whole story, I'm sure.
From what I'm told, Chris didn't know the score was wrong. His mon texted him and asked if he already lost. With that, he went to his trusted buddy, Jerry Matchin and asked about this. Jerry asked why this is being questioned. No other words were exchanged and play resumed.
I happen to know Chris well and he's a stand up kid. In my long experience with seeing pool playing youngsters, I've seen many slippery characters. Chris is NOT one of them. To me, he's a pleasure to have in the pool room - as nice as anyone I come in contact with.
The best I can tell, Chris was confronted with something he didn't know how to handle. I might have been tripped up myself, not being sure what to make of it. Eric is also a straight up guy from what I can tell. So this probably could've been resolved with little trouble but as luck would have it, things went sideways.
Agreed, in the limited play I've seen him in, he keeps his composure very well.