Swivel aiming system on DVD

[sfleinen]

Actually, it was probably me that you continually see inviting the CTE guys to explore other [more precise] pocket-based cue sports, like snooker and Russian Pyramid, and see if they see any sign, any hint, of any sort of pivot-based aiming. And they won't. The very notion of pivoting your cue goes against the foundation of these more precise pocket-based cue sports. As other posters have said, and a play on that old real estate joke, "it's all about foundation, foundation, foundation."

Sean against CTE

From sean:
Exactly! And what does the comment, "CTE... ... works well in snooker" really mean? That he potted a couple balls? Tell him to move the object ball back from the pocket, deeper into the center of the table, and move the cue ball back away from that object ball. Then try CTE on that shot -- see how "exact" he is then...
Sounds like your against CTE.

No Dave, those two are NOT against CTE -- they were made in response to bloated marketing claims that were made about CTE. See? These are two perfect examples where you took something out of context from the post. *This* is what I'm getting at -- you are MISREADING what I'm writing, and not getting the gist of it. You are taking these as "anti-CTE" when in reality, I'm anti-the-bloated-marketing of the post those two were in response to. (And btw, you took *both* of these from the same thread in the snooker forum, a thread asking about whether CTE is used or taught in snooker [a topic I'd know about]. The answer was no. You already saw the plethora of responses in that thread -- many a lot more strongly worded and to the point than mine!)

Anyway, I'd already posted an apology to the OP and RonV for misusing the thread to initially make a [poorly timed] tongue-in-cheek attempt. And I don't want to continue further on this. This is not the thread for this. Again, I apologize to kaznj and RonV about my poor timing.

-Sean

 

[cookie man]

I have *NO* shots I do any kind of pivot on. None. Zero. Zilch. Nyet.

I am a pure ghostballer/contact point aimer. Always have been, ever since I picked up a cue for the first time, watching my Dad play in local bars frequented by fellow police on the job (my father is a retired NYC cop).

You keep asking about this pivot thing, as if, by gosh, you're going to find *some kind* of pivot in even the purest of ghostball aimers. You ain't gonna find one in me. Not in ball-to-pocket shots, not in banks, not in caroms, not in tickies. I see every shot the same -- where the ghostball needs to contact the object ball to pocket it, or to bounce it off the rail into the pocket, or to carom the cue ball off that ghostball position/tangent-line to contact another object ball, etc. In fact, when I play 3-cushion, I sight the shot the same way -- I see the cut angle on the first object ball to bring that cue ball around three cushions to contact the second object ball, etc. No pivots. Honest. And I mean scout's honor here. You wanna keep looking/prying for a pivot in my style? Come on up to NY sometime, and you can show me if I have one. I play at Iron Willies Billiards in Yorktown Heights, NY.

Respectfully,
-Sean
Sean we know you use ghostbal and are happy with your success and in turn we are happy for you. I do not care what you say about me, really doesn't matter, but I do appreciate your apology to RON V. He's a helluva good person with alot of knowledge to share about pool.
P.S. not into cartoons, Wonder Woman is more my style.

 

[sfleinen]

I have *NO* shots I do any kind of pivot on. None. Zero. Zilch. Nyet.

I am a pure ghostballer/contact point aimer. Always have been, ever since I picked up a cue for the first time, watching my Dad play in local bars frequented by fellow police on the job (my father is a retired NYC cop).

You keep asking about this pivot thing, as if, by gosh, you're going to find *some kind* of pivot in even the purest of ghostball aimers. You ain't gonna find one in me. Not in ball-to-pocket shots, not in banks, not in caroms, not in tickies. I see every shot the same -- where the ghostball needs to contact the object ball to pocket it, or to bounce it off the rail into the pocket, or to carom the cue ball off that ghostball position/tangent-line to contact another object ball, etc. In fact, when I play 3-cushion, I sight the shot the same way -- I see the cut angle on the first object ball to bring that cue ball around three cushions to contact the second object ball, etc. No pivots. Honest. And I mean scout's honor here. You wanna keep looking/prying for a pivot in my style? Come on up to NY sometime, and you can show me if I have one. I play at Iron Willies Billiards in Yorktown Heights, NY.

Respectfully,
-Sean
Sean we know you use ghostbal and are happy with your success and in turn we are happy for you. I do not care what you say about me, really doesn't matter, but I do appreciate your apology to RON V. He's a helluva good person with alot of knowledge to share about pool.
P.S. not into cartoons, Wonder Woman is more my style.

Dave:

What does this post have to prove whether I'm "anti-CTE" or not? It just says I'm a ghostball aimer, and if you'll remember, that post was in response to one of your posts stating that I "must, somehow, be using a pivot" to play at the level I do. Doesn't the very verbiage you yourself quoted above make that clear?? I keep asking you to stop taking things out of context, and your three examples above are Exhibit A that you are continuing to do so. I ask again, nicely, please stop. Just because I'm a ghostball aimer, doesn't make me "against" the teaching of CTE or any pivot aiming. Just dispense with the bloated marketing. I don't have to buy into the bloated marketing to be cool with alternative approaches. And I won't. That's not a stance I'm going to waver from.

-Sean

 

[dr_dave]

I talked to Ron Vitello yesterday (Saturday) and he told me he was preparing a 15 minute demo of the swivel system of aiming. This will be available on youtube.

Is this on YouTube yet? Please let us know when to expect it and where to find it.

Thanks,
Dave

 

[cleary]

We already tried this... It turned into a huge debate (obviously) and Ron asked me to take the videos down.

Hope it works out for him this time around.

 

[Mikjary]

Is this on YouTube yet? Please let us know when to expect it and where to find it.

Thanks,
Dave

I spoke to Ron today and he is putting the finishing touches on it. It will be posted shortly. From what he said it will cover alot more than aiming including banking, diamond systems and some info that hasn't been really put out there yet. He spoke briefly about banking and diamonds and showed me a few things I'd never heard before. There's gonna be lots of good info on these dvds!

Besides the You Tube vid, Ron had me in stitches after he got going. What a character! He should tell a few stories on this forum. He's been using the word "swivel" for many years, even before he heard about CTE (just thought I'd put that out there). And Sean, you bastich! I told Ron what a kidder you are and he laughed. He thought it was a nice gesture though when posters came to his defense anyway.uttahere:

Best,
Mike

 

[JoeyA]

Hey cookie:

Actually, it looks like you're the one where the word "unbelievable" can be applied, and that's to your unbelievably thin skin, and your unbelievable ability to read something that's not there.

First, my post had nothing to do with any kind of "anti-pivot / anti-CTE" viewpoint at all. It had to do with *MARKETING*. Where'd you see anything in my post about ghostball-vs-CTE or ghostball-vs-pivot-aiming? You didn't. And it wasn't implied either. Personally, I laugh at all the marketing word-gimmickry that goes on in the industry -- someone will take something that is strongly rooted on another established product or technique, and rename it, sort of like "no, that's not a duck breastmeat sandwich, mine is a 'winged waterfowl' sandwich." That's not innovation -- that's masquerading. And you know what? I have a right to feel this way, as a lot of consumers do.

Second, you say I'm getting pretty unbelievable concerning my posts. Really? When and how often do you see anything but positive, supportive, and even [attempts at] humorous posts from me? I would say that the lion's share of my posts are just that -- positive, supportive, and humorous. I would put my neck on the line and challenge you to ask anyone here. You, however, seem laser-focused on those 1-out-of-100 posts from me where I have a difference of opinion about something -- anything -- not directly in support of your "baby," pivot-based aiming. Me? I don't care anymore about engaging in aiming discussions. I just play and practice, and use the methods I use as a means to an end. And my ends are not bad for someone that due to his career doesn't get to play as often as he wants -- how about a straight pool run of 122, which I accomplished in June?

Third, I want to close this on a positive note -- which I always strive to do. I'm familiar with Ron Vitello and I have great respect for his teachings. The point of my post was to show even the greats succumb to these marketing name gimmicks. I was enjoying a few glasses of Pinot Noir last night, and now that I read my post back, I could've softened the wording a bit, and I apologize to all about that.

Finally, cookie, you might want to get yourself a bit vat of Neosporin to apply all over your skin, for it appears that your thin skin is a bit chapped and raw. They make the pain-relieving version of Neosporin, so you might consider that version to give you some relief.

Respectfully,
-Sean

Sean,
I especially enjoy your posts; all of them, whether I agree with you (which is most of the time) or not.

You are a student of the game and a very competent player. I don't have to see you hit a ball to know that you have excellent talent and exceptional knowledge about pool.

Your civility when attacked is what is UNBELIEVABLE. You are an excellent example for all of us to follow.

Thanks for taking the time to put it all out there for us to see.

I think that some of the posters don't take the time to read your posts carefully enough. I've learned to read your posts when I have ample time to devote to your well written posts.

 

[kaznj]

Dr Dave, this is not on youtube yet. I hope soon. I think many people will benefit from Ron's knowledge just as they have from your many contributions.

 

[Ratta]

Lol,

it s really funny imo, that so many threads breaking out again towards the for sure *not nice handled* cte-theme. The most guys here are old enough (i thought so!) to be able to post their own point of view. But it seems that there are a few who re non-stop just searching in threads- just pickin parts out of complete threads to start aggressive offenses/attacks.
No matter what system or whatever someone uses- if it works for him- i m lucky for him for sure- and as long someone really is telling absolutly nonsens.....why you re attackin each other that oftenl. And hi-jacking threads with things the thread-starter never thought of?hu?

And if i remember correctly, Sean just wrote in some threads, that the GB works good for him, because he can see it very easily. That s all. For other it don t work that good-so they try to find another way. And if they hit the ball because they put a red-flag on their cue.....who cares? As long as someone tells this is a must-have for everyone....noone should care.
It s all about having a bit respect for each other....can t be that hard.

lg
Ingo

 

[kaznj]

The system Ron is teaching in NOT cte. You are pointing the tip of your cue to a location on the cue ball to a place on the object ball then swivel your body so that the cue tip in pointing to the center of the cue ball.
There are variations of your tip placement depending on the angle of the shot. There are also variations depending on whether you are using a center ball hit, inside, or outside english.

 

[Redneck Jim]

I talked to Ron Vitello yesterday (Saturday) and he told me he was preparing a 15 minute demo of the swivel system of aiming. This will be available on youtube.

If there is a favorable response he will produce six one hour dvd's. The dvd's will cover topics like a full explanation of the swivel aiming system, banking, kicking, position play, and other topics.

Any news on the youtube demo video?
Is it still going to be done, or if it has already been posted, is there a link to it?

 

[skip]

Hell I'll stand on my head if that will help me make balls. :thumbup:

 

[rhyno]

i use 90/90 on some shots,some shots it works well and some it doesn't.
i'm no expert on the technique but i'd like to learn more.can't wait if a dvd is coming out or something on youtube

 

[LAMas]

I'd really like to buy that set. Any time frame yet? If I lived closer I'd go see him. :thumbup:

I wonder if it will include 90/90 with hip pivot....err or swivel?

 

[dr_dave]

Any news on the youtube demo video?
Is it still going to be done, or if it has already been posted, is there a link to it?

I was also looking forward to seeing it after all of the hype.

Until clear video demonstrations of 90/90, CTE, and other pivot-based systems are made available, with good camera angles, step-by-step instructions, and shots from various but similar cut angles, distances, and angles to the pocket, these systems will remain as "mysterious religions," IMO.

Still hoping to see the video,
Dave

 

[JAW725]

I was also looking forward to seeing it after all of the hype.

Until clear video demonstrations of 90/90, CTE, and other pivot-based systems are made available, with good camera angles, step-by-step instructions, and shots from various but similar cut angles, distances, and angles to the pocket, these systems will remain as "mysterious religions," IMO.

Still hoping to see the video,
Dave

Nice Dave, nice :grinning-moose:

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I was also looking forward to seeing it after all of the hype.

Until clear video demonstrations of 90/90, CTE, and other pivot-based systems are made available, with good camera angles, step-by-step instructions, and shots from various but similar cut angles, distances, and angles to the pocket, these systems will remain as "mysterious religions," IMO.

Still hoping to see the video,
Dave

As I'm sure you know, that will never happen. Mystery is the essential ingredient of these "ballpark" systems - it brings faith to the users and students to the teachers.

pj
chgo

 

[dstone120647]

Swivel system:

Please put me down for the video's and let me know when the youtube video is on. Dennis

 

[cookie man]

Lol............

as i'm sure you know, that will never happen. Mystery is the essential ingredient of these "ballpark" systems - it brings faith to the users and students to the teachers.

Pj
chgo

 

[randyg]

The "swivel" aiming system? First we had pivot aiming, and now "swivel"? I guess marketing knows no bounds when it comes to gimmicktry-ese. What's next, the "ball-bearing spin" aiming system with high temperature Lithium lubricant? And how about the high speed centrifugal-force magneto-optical aiming system? Be careful, though, because technology really moves. Red lasers are "old" technology, so Blu-Ray is "in". Ultraviolet and X-rays are on the horizon...



-Sean

We teach CTE as "SAME AIM". Many names for the system....SPF=randyg