Yes. 3 angles.
I don't use "rough" passes.
If I did, the bottom would be really fat.
Taper attachments for sale for Engine Lathes, complete, ready to ship!
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I don't use "rough" passes.
If I did, the bottom would be really fat.
I believe many makers use a compound taper for their butts. I'll ask you don't start yelling and arguing with me or I'll start calling you Lee
SO UNBELIEVABLY ridiculous. You're missing the point completely. The largest majority of cue builders do not use a taper on a butt, but that's not the point at all. The point is, if you don't like it, that's fine. Don't hijack my thread. I have just as much right to post something for sale on here as anyone else does.
Putting links on here to stuff someone else is selling is just plain rude... Just because I chose to use 8020 products to build a taper bar and put it on here for anyone who would like to buy one at a reasonable price, you think you need to act like jerks ? That makes no sense whatsoever. I've used 8020 products longer than most of the cue builders on here have been building cues.
Lets see you bust the balls of one of the cue lathe builders on here that uses taig based products. By your way of thinking just because one guy uses taig based parts in his lathe, someone else can't do the same thing and put his twist on it and sell it? HMMM, yeah, good luck with that logic, I know of no less that 7 guys that are doing the EXACT SAME THING!
If it's a matter of economics, is $650.00 less than $950.00 for something that performs the same function? I'm not sure about this, someone correct me if I'm wrong, by the way I do math, it is!
I never said that this was the first taper bar set up that was built using 8020 materials, if you think that, maybe you should re read the post..
Just kill this thread, I have no desire to sell anything to any of these idiots.. The whole purpose of using delrin is that don't have to use a razor blade or need to sand portions of the delrin to put the compound taper (Pro Taper) on the bar. You quite simply make some measurements, tighten down the appropriate bolts, and bend the bar. I know it's "REALLY" tough to grasp.. ridiculous... My 6 year old nephew didn't have this much trouble grasping such a simple subject.
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I think Einstein is pissed.
It's safe to say his 0 ITrader is safe.
Like someone was gonna pay $650 for a bad knockoff of Tom's design.
It's safe to say his 0 ITrader is safe.
Like someone was gonna pay $650 for a bad knockoff of Tom's design.
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What's bad about it ? Did he buy his 8020 from somewhere else ? Did he use better aluminum ? Oh, the indexing plates are round ? That makes it better ? hows that ?
What part about saying I know of makers that use compound tapers makes me a jerk and how is that missing any point you were trying to make???
I don't know why you are surprised and upset after copying someone's design and then posting it for sale.....
Did you think noone would say anything?
Don't worry, you will sell a ton of your bar here.
At least you didn't deny it's a knockoff.
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Let me ask you something then, cause you're obviously so much smarter than I am.. Whom is ripping off who's design on Cue lathes ? Is everyone ripping off Taig's design ? Or, are there about 6 different guys building lathes that are all almost the same? At least 3 of them buy their parts directly from Taig. So, they are all ripping each other off ? Or did each change it a little bit, and do their own thing ? I have a completely different type of indexing head in this which costs about 3 times as much as a standard hand retractable plunger. Your buddy didn't design the 8020 extrusions he is using, and has no patent on using them. I never made any comment about his design, or his set-up until you guys started in with your crap and I just don't need it!
And I never badmouthed anything about the design. I very clearly said I don't feel its necessary to have 4 taper bars, to do the function of 2, and the price reflects that!
Let me ask you something then, cause you're obviously so much smarter than I am.. Whom is ripping off who's design on Cue lathes ?
They ripped-off Hightower's original.
This one is much easier. You ripped off Tom Datum's design.
They ripped-off Hightower's original.
This one is much easier. You ripped off Tom Datum's design.
Tom had treated me pretty fair in the past deal I did with him. The guy even thru in the proper hex bolts and a tap.
Went above and beyond just helping.
I believe I would rather spend the extra $250 and feel much better about it. I'd only spend the money on beer and pool anyway.
Sure, other lathe designers use Taig products and many use Chris's original design with a few tweaks here and there. There are only so many ways to
reinvent the wheel. Kind of different than taking Datum's set up and copying it almost to a Tee.
Besides, I like pretty. And good luck with your sales, I think Joey is correct in that your ITrader rating is pretty safe.
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You referred to the other guy several times. You are the one that needs to re-read your posts.
LGSM3 was dead on... You should have said that you got inspired by Datum Cue's version and you decided to do something more affordable, man you even said he had a serious accident!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How the hell do you know???
With that attitude and 542 views of this thread, do you have an idea how many sales you've lost? We have seen plenty of fly by's like you around here. If you want some business why don't you start by
- Apologizing
- Stick to your own product
- Offer a discount because of your attitude
- Explain better how everything works
I never referred to anyone, or anything in my original post other than I have a nice taper bar attachment for sale, that is being offered with 2 bars, and others are available if you need them. Most won't! I clearly stated what kind of indexing system I used. If you are not in the machine building industry then you may not be familiar with these. BUT nobody asked anything about the indexing, so why would I think that I needed to explain anything. You guys make it seem like putting a piece of 1515 between two joining plates held up by 2 pieces of 1530 is some huge accomplishment. You have no idea how ridiculous that is.
This "Design" as you put it, is not a design at all, it's a concept at best. In order to be a design, he would have needed to design something, not just screw a few pieces of 8020 together. I am in no way shape or form diminishing his concept, its a good one, which is exactly why I put my spin on it. I build machinery for a living so this little thing is really just a joke in comparison.
The bottom line is, this guy is your buddy, and that's that. You want to knock me making something similar, and doubt that the value is greater. We are using the SAME MATERIAL. Other than the indexing plate, and the bar material, they are almost the same. This is not some complex piece of machinery. Its about 40 nuts and bolts, and 8 pieces of 8020 and a little time machining the plate for the cross slide. The cross slide pretty much has to be made that way, actually mine is different than Tom's, if you didn't notice. Mine is offset to one side. so depending on the application, if you need to cheat the space on the back side of your lathe because your carriage travel is less than 32" you can use the offset in the cross slide bracket to get a little more space out of it going either direction.
I'm sorry that you guys want to rail me, and act like I just blatantly ripped off your buddies design. But there was a little thought put into it on my part. This whole melee was the result of me sticking up for myself. When you have 5 different people all bashing me for no apparent reason, what do you think I am going to do ? Sit back and watch ? Yeah, probably not so much. Self preservation is human nature! I really don't care what you 5 guys that are all buddies with this Datum guy think. I could not care less.. There are plenty of people on here, like the 15 guys that all wrote PMs during this BS telling me to not even worry about what you guys are saying. And 3 of those guys I see talking on here all the time, they are respected members here, yet, because I'm the new guy, you guys think you need to chastise me ? lol.. Good luck with that!
OH, and thanks for keeping my thread at the top of the heap all night! I've already sold 2! hahahahahaha! :thumbup:
We are using the SAME MATERIAL. Other than the indexing plate, and the bar material, they are almost the same.
No, they are not even close .
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=209223&highlight=taper
Check the finished shaft size bar.
You can pivot every three inches on that one. I don't feel I need to explain why that is important to cuemakers who like different angles on their shafts every three inches or so.
Tom's bar has tapers for points. Yours don't.
Also, Tom's bars can be set for parabolic tapers much easier than yours.
Joey~Not quite an idiot ~
No, they are not even close .
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=209223&highlight=taper
Check the finished shaft size bar.
You can pivot every three inches on that one. I don't feel I need to explain why that is important to cuemakers who like different angles on their shafts every three inches or so.
Tom's bar has tapers for points. Yours don't.
Also, Tom's bars can be set for parabolic tapers much easier than yours.
Joey~Not quite an idiot ~
Here is another bump for you then....
BTW, I don't know Tom...never had any dialogue with him in any way.
As for you, well, let me just say your work and attitude speak for themselves.....congrats on selling 2.
Many of us here are just learning or hobbyists. We rely on people like Tom, Chris, Dickie, KJ etc, to help us get thru the day. I guess we are just a bunch of untalented slobs then. See, that's the purpose of this forum, to help each other.
No, not at all, we want to knock you for blatantly copying Toms design while
trying to sell it to us cheaper, while subtlety knocking Tom in the process.
Well, exactly.
But in the long run, its all about attitude. I am going to call BS on the statement re PMs. I highly doubt there is anyone supporting your end on this one. Glad you sold 2 already, maybe in your dreams you did.
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Wow, this thread went south real quick, and it's a shame. It was clear when I saw this item that it was very similar to another, extremely well built product, fine. But I would agree that it's built (and priced) like a Ford rather than the Benz as the OP stated. I also agree with everything the OP has said about all of the guys "building and designing" the Taig based lathes. The situation is VERY similar, so let's not create a double standard. Quite frankly, having multiple suppliers for a product is good in almost every way for the customers.
To all of the opponents: We hear you, point taken. Tom can fight his own design theft battles if he chooses to do so. He could probably even patent the thing if he chose to do so. That was, and still is, up to him. This man's product is offered with different (less) options and frills, is at a different price point, and he has offered to do some customizing to it if requested to fit your lathe. Choices, and competition, are good for all of us. This industry is so small, that I don't think it benefits us to chase away all of the new suppliers.
To the OP: Less is more. You are a new member here who is creating his reputation with every post. Please remember that you are talking to your potential customers here . . . if you want to be a business man, then act like one.
To all of the opponents: We hear you, point taken. Tom can fight his own design theft battles if he chooses to do so. He could probably even patent the thing if he chose to do so. That was, and still is, up to him. This man's product is offered with different (less) options and frills, is at a different price point, and he has offered to do some customizing to it if requested to fit your lathe. Choices, and competition, are good for all of us. This industry is so small, that I don't think it benefits us to chase away all of the new suppliers.
To the OP: Less is more. You are a new member here who is creating his reputation with every post. Please remember that you are talking to your potential customers here . . . if you want to be a business man, then act like one.
Out of all the post in this thread this is the only one worth supporting.
Well said well done.
I agree 100%.
Well said well done.
I agree 100%.