The A-Team is heading south!!
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who are you guys?
Rick & Chris...the B team:thumbup:
perfectpocketz
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When you hear shit like that....we're coming south...oh boy.
The last ones that came here did hundreds of tables in flash time and made a good score.
This is why I'm always *****ing about people work.
The low price..the quality of work....and who cares....all everyone wants to do is get paid for something....and if you ask them....they can do anything you need.
When is...or is it ever going to change...people putting cloth on the table just to make a quick dollar. There's putting the wool over the peoples eyes.
One group came here said they have the method of how to put the cloth on. Spray glue the tops and sides of the slate and then staple the cloth as well.
They called themselves the Kim Steel experts. LMAO
They did 50 tables in 3 and a half days. Need I go on. I could get 50 tables apart in that time.
Good luck in the south.
Mark Gregory
The last ones that came here did hundreds of tables in flash time and made a good score.
This is why I'm always *****ing about people work.
The low price..the quality of work....and who cares....all everyone wants to do is get paid for something....and if you ask them....they can do anything you need.
When is...or is it ever going to change...people putting cloth on the table just to make a quick dollar. There's putting the wool over the peoples eyes.
One group came here said they have the method of how to put the cloth on. Spray glue the tops and sides of the slate and then staple the cloth as well.
They called themselves the Kim Steel experts. LMAO
They did 50 tables in 3 and a half days. Need I go on. I could get 50 tables apart in that time.
Good luck in the south.
Mark Gregory
I cant hold back any longer.....
Mark,
First: I respect the hell out of the accomplishments you have made and the quality of your work. The only thing I don't get is why you MUST be so down on other people? I am not gonna make a huge deal about this, but, if you haven't heard this before, it is real old: If you don't have anything nice to say, you should say nothing at all. Again, no disrespect and I am not trying to have an internet battle with you. I am just trying to understand how someone that I have researched to be one of the very best in the business could even give a crap about what other people are doing? I mean you have personally told me that you do not like that other people do not post here because they were treated poorly, are you trying to make others not want to be a part of this forum?
Trent
P.s. I am very interested to see if this turns into an attack on me.LOL
Mark,
First: I respect the hell out of the accomplishments you have made and the quality of your work. The only thing I don't get is why you MUST be so down on other people? I am not gonna make a huge deal about this, but, if you haven't heard this before, it is real old: If you don't have anything nice to say, you should say nothing at all. Again, no disrespect and I am not trying to have an internet battle with you. I am just trying to understand how someone that I have researched to be one of the very best in the business could even give a crap about what other people are doing? I mean you have personally told me that you do not like that other people do not post here because they were treated poorly, are you trying to make others not want to be a part of this forum?
Trent
P.s. I am very interested to see if this turns into an attack on me.LOL
perfectpocketz
Banned
First off it's not and attack on you....and in case you have forgotten I been living in the south for 20 years and have seen these guys come down here for years do t the same old shit.
Now I'm going to give you a pass on this because you know nothing of which you speak.
I've had good friends get ripped off many of times with the old we're coming south....who needs table work.
Again if your really any good at what you do with tables....seams to me that you would have more than enough work in your area to keep you in your area.
Like I said in my post abou the guys that ripped me cues a new one. 50 tables in 3 and half days.
Or did yoni for get what you read and ten just posted to start some shit with me.
Here's how it going to turn out..what do you know about a pool table other than it has 16 balls and 6 pockets.
So don't come out on me that has nothing to do with you.
Stick to selling tables other people finish for you and cushions you glue on that are never going to play the way someone that plays the games wants.
Now aren't you happy you ran your mouth about something that has nothing to do with you or bullshit you do.
As gas as other people....I'm the ass hole trying to warn them of the kind of work they're getting and the kind of work they believe the we're going to receive. Like your tables....look good....but how's the play of them?????
I'm trying to get people on this site to understand how a table should play and not how people do them and say....thus is how a play should play.
There's a big difference in the way a table plays when you played pool for 35 years and understand how tables and rails play.
The people on AZ want to be a part of trust and believe what we mechanics tell them as true.
I do t care what people do with the customers that call there phone and say I need my table recovered. That where you learn to great work...the people on here are looking to have it done right and the understand the difference when they play on someone else's table and rails.
Do try and come out on me thinking your part of us that have earned out strips.
All you do is run a web page....tell people here's my inventory and I will have you a table in a week.
Go away....post what you like....but don't follow my post around like you know something.
Mark Gregory
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There was just two guys that come thru this area that recovered 14 bar tables in a day and a half or so as I was told... What a mess.... cuts in the pockets of the cloth a week later is creeping into the playing surface..exposed cuts in the pockets.... Really....not one table was set properly...
Knock off cloth was installed'
and don't think the room ordered zebra cloth....
I was to pricey and only completed one or two tables a day so I was not contracted to do the work.
Working solo...no one in this area cares to learn, they just wanta be payed like a pro and are in a huge hurry to get done and payed like a pro.
ROB.M
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There was just two guys that come thru this area that recovered 14 bar tables in a day and a half or so as I was told... What a mess.... cuts in the pockets of the cloth a week later is creeping into the playing surface..exposed cuts in the pockets.... Really....not one table was set properly...
Knock off cloth was installed'
and don't think the room ordered zebra cloth....
I was to pricey and only completed one or two tables a day so I was not contracted to do the work.
Working solo...no one in this area cares to learn, they just wanta be payed like a pro and are in a huge hurry to get done and payed like a pro.
ROB.M
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You have zero professionality.
Mark,
It is not that you have an opinion about things, you just don't have to be a jerk. I control myself in what I say on here because I have RESPECT for all of you and do not want to be a NEGATIVE contributor to this forum. You are proving to be "that guy" everytime you post and you cannot even SPELL or make complete sentences most of the time. So, I am not sure how you were ever involved with Brunswick to begin with..... Which you have stated that you are NOT anymore. There is probably a reason and your attitude is why I am guessing. I am almost 40: I could care less what you think. Have a nice life being " that guy" you warned me about on the phone. Peace to you!
Trent
Mark,
It is not that you have an opinion about things, you just don't have to be a jerk. I control myself in what I say on here because I have RESPECT for all of you and do not want to be a NEGATIVE contributor to this forum. You are proving to be "that guy" everytime you post and you cannot even SPELL or make complete sentences most of the time. So, I am not sure how you were ever involved with Brunswick to begin with..... Which you have stated that you are NOT anymore. There is probably a reason and your attitude is why I am guessing. I am almost 40: I could care less what you think. Have a nice life being " that guy" you warned me about on the phone. Peace to you!
Trent
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perfectpocketz
Banned
Hey fool...the reason for the miss spelling is the iPhone and I don't check it. As far as Brunswick I still do things with Brunswick. So save your speaches for someone that cares.
You mad cause you don't know anything about pool tables other than making posts of what you install LMAO
I've talked to people I've spoke to a number of people in this business that you have contacted and they don't want to hear from you and all your how do you do this and how can I do that.
I've been in pool and around pool my whole live.....did I make big money playing and working on tables...no....but I do what I say and I give people more than they pay for when I do a job for them.
It's not about the money for me like it is for you.... And I would be careful running that mouth.
That post I came in in had nothing to do with you....I've had guys come south for years as I said....you don't know anything of witch your talking.
But I do see your intent...get someone to side with you that a jerk and maybe you can get some table business.
Do what you do and stay away from me.... I don't attack you for the tables you sell or post every week.
I don't care anything about you or your tables you peddle.
Now you want to keep going....cause I can get real ugly jerk.
Mark Gregory
What ever you say! 
This forum is an open discussion and not just YOUR forum. What ever you say! I am having a great day and I hope all of you AZBILLIARDS GUYS DO TO!
Trent from Toledo
This forum is an open discussion and not just YOUR forum. What ever you say!
I am having a great day and I hope all of you AZBILLIARDS GUYS DO TO! Trent from Toledo
perfectpocketz
Banned
This forum is an open discussion and not just YOUR forum. What ever you say!
Trent from Toledo
Never said this was my forum. Just trying to help AZ people know who's full of shit and let them in on just what to expect.
Glen has tryed to help out with info for years now.
Guys like you try and start shit so people think you know something you don't.
I'm just giving people the truth and what's bull.
I live here in the south...how many guys do you think I've seen come through with the great price to do you rooms.
Now....I don't even recover many tables any more in homes or poolrooms.
I do t want the work....get calls to do tables all the time.
I do a select few for customers I've had for years....and that's all I want.
I'm not knocking....I'm telling what I've seen go on here in the south for years.
Go do some work....and leave the knowledge of tables to those who know it best.
Mark Gregory
I guess I have to chime in here on this thread as Mark is 100% right about most traveling roadie table mechanic's, in the since that they're not really looking to service pool tables the right way, they're just looking to make money while on the road by offering cheap prices as they pass through areas on their way to where ever they're heading. I've yet to see work like this turn out correctly, on the contrary, most of the shabby work shows up about 2 weeks down the road after they've been paid and gone, such as cloth pulling off the slates, rails, rail bolts falling out and such. Nothing that really NEEDS to get fixed on the tables, gets fixed, because they're only there for one reason, and that's the grab the money and run.
But, the blame for such work falls on all those that would hire such hacks in the first place, which don't say much for the table mechaninc's that have BEEN working on the tables in the past, if they were any good, the table owners wouldn't trust the work being done by a roadie if they were happy with what was already being done.
The other reason, is cheap prices, which has happened to me in the past in Washington state when I had 328 bars in which I serviced the tables in. But once I got sold out for a cheaper price, and the bar owner found out what kind of work they paid for, they'd call me to come and fix the problems in which I'd tell them....sorry about that buddy, but you screwed yourself as I refused to go back after the fact and fix the tables up right, and wouldn't even recover the tables when they came up due to be serviced again a year later.
Mark has a point, I just don't think anyone is seeing it as Mark don't sugar coat it as well as I do
it's all about hit and run, grab the money and leave!!!
Glen
But, the blame for such work falls on all those that would hire such hacks in the first place, which don't say much for the table mechaninc's that have BEEN working on the tables in the past, if they were any good, the table owners wouldn't trust the work being done by a roadie if they were happy with what was already being done.
The other reason, is cheap prices, which has happened to me in the past in Washington state when I had 328 bars in which I serviced the tables in. But once I got sold out for a cheaper price, and the bar owner found out what kind of work they paid for, they'd call me to come and fix the problems in which I'd tell them....sorry about that buddy, but you screwed yourself as I refused to go back after the fact and fix the tables up right, and wouldn't even recover the tables when they came up due to be serviced again a year later.
Mark has a point, I just don't think anyone is seeing it as Mark don't sugar coat it as well as I do
it's all about hit and run, grab the money and leave!!!Glen
perfectpocketz
Banned
I not trying to be the knocker as I've stated before.
These people that post on AZ want to be accepted as family and told the truth.
That's why they ask questions and post in the first place.
All my intentions are is to tell them the truth and give them the best job I can for there money.
I'm not the greatest mechanic in the world....and I'm not trying to be....I'm just trying to give AZers knowledge of certain things and give them the best job I can when I do work for them.
This is not a shit talking contest....when I post....I know what I'm talking about.
I'm not here to act like a jerk....I'm just not going to sugar coat it for people.
Sorry if some are offended. Not my intent.
Mark Gregory.
PS. I do know one of the guys coming on the A-team Rick Beam.
He did a table for me years ago and does nice work.
These people that post on AZ want to be accepted as family and told the truth.
That's why they ask questions and post in the first place.
All my intentions are is to tell them the truth and give them the best job I can for there money.
I'm not the greatest mechanic in the world....and I'm not trying to be....I'm just trying to give AZers knowledge of certain things and give them the best job I can when I do work for them.
This is not a shit talking contest....when I post....I know what I'm talking about.
I'm not here to act like a jerk....I'm just not going to sugar coat it for people.
Sorry if some are offended. Not my intent.
Mark Gregory.
PS. I do know one of the guys coming on the A-team Rick Beam.
He did a table for me years ago and does nice work.
Thank you!
Mark,
You know I have much respect for you and your work as I have openly mentioned. I know you are passionate about your work and pool in general. I have never tried to come across like I am anything more than I am: A guy who loves pool( My BCA TEAM IS NO LOSING ACT) & Brunswick Pool tables that started a business restoring them on May 5th, 2012. I am learning every day and busting my ass. I don't love money, it is just a necessity, it provides me freedom to spend my time with my wife, family and friends. I post my pictures of my work because I do LOVE what I do and I take pride in every job I complete. I am not perfect either and I know I have lots to learn still. I also DO NOT tell people "I can do this or that". If any work is not being done by me, my clients are aware. I do not claim to be a master carpenter, but, I have one that I contract to do work for me when something is out of my skill set. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that someone might need to do a little more research in their techniques, but, out right attacking people is not fair. So again, I meant no disrespect and hope you understand where I am coming from. Still having a great day and hope you all are to!
Trent from Toledo
Mark,
You know I have much respect for you and your work as I have openly mentioned. I know you are passionate about your work and pool in general. I have never tried to come across like I am anything more than I am: A guy who loves pool( My BCA TEAM IS NO LOSING ACT) & Brunswick Pool tables that started a business restoring them on May 5th, 2012. I am learning every day and busting my ass. I don't love money, it is just a necessity, it provides me freedom to spend my time with my wife, family and friends. I post my pictures of my work because I do LOVE what I do and I take pride in every job I complete. I am not perfect either and I know I have lots to learn still. I also DO NOT tell people "I can do this or that". If any work is not being done by me, my clients are aware. I do not claim to be a master carpenter, but, I have one that I contract to do work for me when something is out of my skill set. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that someone might need to do a little more research in their techniques, but, out right attacking people is not fair. So again, I meant no disrespect and hope you understand where I am coming from. Still having a great day and hope you all are to!
Trent from Toledo
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Mark, I have a question and when answered please keep in mind I will not post on this thread again. Do you have personally experience with the folks that started this thread or do you know them or do you know anyone with personal experience with them? Thank you for your response in advance.
perfectpocketz
Banned
Jim
I didn't know who they were...or anything about them at the times I was posting. But like I said...man I've seen so many crews come down here and butcher shit up and never come back.
But after all the argueing back and forth with Trent....Rick Beam called me and said it was him......Rick brought me a diamond years ago in fl and set it up......he did a nice job.
But I didn't know who it was.....and made a mistake when I read Glen post B team.
I figured Glen knew something....so I was just trying to give a heads up to the guys on AZ in the south about what's happened for years in the south.
I appollgize if I offended anyone on here....other than Trent.....he's on his own.
Good to hear from ya Jim.....and I don't mean to come off as a jerk on AZ.
Just gets to me with people trying to jockey for position all the time.
There's more than enough work for everyone....just be and honest person and that's all we can do.
Mark Gregory