The A-Team is heading south!!

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n10spool said:
Kudos Mark,
a little short on rails but said enough to get to the point. I talk about rails everyone thinks I'm nuts about density thickness angle rubber and type of wood used and why.

Craig
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Thanks Craig
People don't understand all the reasons for rails and cushions to not play the same from table to table.
Different tables make there rails from different woods.....sure most use a different profile cushion and mixtures in the rubber used.....different density of the rubber.
Take Artemis cushions....soft rubber and around a 3mm nose on the cushions......there for the ball will impact deeper into the cushion.....causing the ball to grab more English.....that's why someone can bank a ball on the Artemis cushion that don't bank on other cushions.
Better cushion for carom than pool.
Take the super speed cushions.....more firm and maybe 1-1/2mm nose on the cushions......the cushions don't take English on the balls as much as Artemis.
But play great for pool.

The wood of the sub rail that hold the cushion on.....makes a big difference in just how the cushion plays as well.
As well as the wood the rail it's self is made of......different rail wood creates different vibrations.....that cause's the ball to slow....as other woods of rails cause the ball to keep more of the speed.

Some snooker tables have a steel block rail....very quite and fast.

Everything comes down to how the cushions are installed....what wood the rail is made of......the density of the rubber...all make a difference.
Remember just because someone puts your cushion on with the nose of the cushion at 1-7/16.......1-29/64.....1-31/64.....does not mean the cushions are installed correctly.....the bevel behind the cushions and the height of the sub rail determine how the cushions are going to play.

A lot of guys on this site that do rail work....don't understand this...guys offering work on here just make the cushion nose height hit the heights they think the cushions is supost to be....and then their happy and think the rails are right.....Glen and I have had this agreement 100 times......Glen says well those guys are better than most...and don't care as much as me and him.

Craig is one of the first on AZ to understand that thickness of the rail...the wood the rail is made of....make a difference in the play of the rails.

I still stand by this......you can't do great rail work following numbers...cause the rails are not all the same.
To fully understand how rails play......well...you should at least know how to play the game.....most fixing rails today can't even play very well.....how can they tell how a table should play???

Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Thanks Craig
People don't understand all the reasons for rails and cushions to not play the same from table to table.
Different tables make there rails from different woods.....sure most use a different profile cushion and mixtures in the rubber used.....different density of the rubber.
Take Artemis cushions....soft rubber and around a 3mm nose on the cushions......there for the ball will impact deeper into the cushion.....causing the ball to grab more English.....that's why someone can bank a ball on the Artemis cushion that don't bank on other cushions.
Better cushion for carom than pool.
Take the super speed cushions.....more firm and maybe 1-1/2mm nose on the cushions......the cushions don't take English on the balls as much as Artemis.
But play great for pool.
Mark Gregory
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What happens on humid days, Mark?
And with not so clean balls ?
If that cushion clings too much, I would assume it'll cling more when the cloth gets older and balls get a little stickier. Cueballs always get dirtier than the playing ball. Maybe that explains kicking and banking disparity. Cueballs kicking a lot shorter than balls banking?
 
JoeyInCali said:
What happens on humid days, Mark?
And with not so clean balls ?
If that cushion clings too much, I would assume it'll cling more when the cloth gets older and balls get a little stickier. Cueballs always get dirtier than the playing ball. Maybe that explains kicking and banking disparity. Cueballs kicking a lot shorter than balls banking?
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Well....I can tell this for sure.....for 30 years playing on Brunswick GC tables....the older the cloth got....the more worn....the better the table played.
Does that tell you anything about Artemis cushions.....the more the cloth get worn with Artemis......the worse the table and rails play.

Tell me where I'm wrong?
The poolrooms I played in might clean the balls once a month....if that.
But we always played with centennial balls......and super speed cushions....and in the later years Simonis cloth.....now if it was raining and the doors where open....then there was a problem.

I don't know 100 percent of anything for sure......just know how the tables played....and how they play today

Dirty balls are going to create problems....but some balls slide more than others.....some cushions spring more than others......some tables play according what kind of balls use and what kind of cushion used.....not every tables going to play the same if the parts on the table are different...what I'm saying is if you 15 GC tables and you recover them.....they should all play really close to one another.
If you redo 15 sets of cushions on 15 of the same tables....again they should all play all the same.

I've spent a lot of money on tools that are all the same.....so when I do Artemis cushions on GC tables......the saw stays in the same position for the same cut every time. Same when I install super speed....different saw for the same cut for super speed.
And the saws aren't cheap....800 each....and that's just my last cut.....I'm trying to figure out the best way....different cushions play in different positions.
I like how the tables I do with Artemis and super speed play......but I'm always trying something new all the time.
Remember this.....everyone has and excuse for why your table plays the way it does after they did the work.....was it their fault....or is it really the reason they said......time will tell..

I've always offered anyone the gets their rails done by me.....if they have any problem with something they don't like....I'll have them shipped back to me and redo whatever they want redone....and ship them back on my dime.
I can't be anymore fair than that.

Mark Gregory
 
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Not to derail the thread derailing here, but the A team just recovered my old red label Diamond 9 footer.

Rick originally set it up new in '02. It sat for the last 5 or 6 years unused until I started playing again recently.

Table still rolled true after all that time, just needed cloth.

Rick and his crew were done in less than 3 hours, not rushed, just steady work and no messing around.

The work is perfect and the table plays great. It now rolls a little faster with the 12 year old cloth replaced :grin:

If you have a Diamond, or especially a bunch of Diamonds, Rick is your guy.

Or, maybe some of you like your table mechanic camped out in the driveway for a week, you know who to call for that too :wink:
 
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ElKabong said:
Not to derail the thread derailing here, but the A team just recovered my old red label Diamond 9 footer.

Rick originally set it up new in '02. It sat for the last 5 or 6 years unused until I started playing again recently.

Table still rolled true after all that time, just needed cloth.

Rick and his crew were done in less than 3 hours, not rushed, just steady work and no messing around.

The work is perfect and the table plays great. It now rolls a little faster with the 12 year old cloth replaced :grin:

If you have a Diamond, or especially a bunch of Diamonds, Rick is your guy.

Or, maybe some of you like your table mechanic camped out in the driveway for a week, you know who to call for that too :wink:
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Troublemaker.;)
 
Hey "A-Team", once all the parts are in, what's step 1 when installing a brand new Diamond Professional?
 
My guess would be measuring area where table is "supposed" to go to make sure there is room. But dont answer yet.
 
gutshot said:
Assuming you start from the bottom up, I would say something with the feet? :wink: :D
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Well, I was waiting for a response from the A-Team, but I guess they don't know. Yes, Gutshot, You'd use the included set screws to attach the feet to the legs so that they can be used as levelers.
 
An old post that still makes sense.

PoolTable911 said:
Trent,
I don't care either way about this thread. I do care that you have threatened a member who has been on AZ for 7 plus years. Telling someone that you hope you meet up with them someday in the text you sent is a threat. Don't back peddle and try to say differently. You sent it in the heat of the moment. Still no excuse. I get along with every mechanic on this forum. I don't know much about you but you don't seem to take criticism very well. You are new to the business. My advice is do more reading of older posts and less self promoted posts. Best of luck!
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Trent,
You are very passive aggressive. You should ride that skateboard more...May clear your head...
 
I skate all the time!

I also own a USA made skateboard company: I SKATEBOARD ALL THE TIME AND I AM REALLY ****ING GOOD AT IT!!! :)

Trent from Toledo :)
 
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