What's the shot?
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The benefits of playing with a standard shaft?
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What's the shot?
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Try shooting a jump shot with a LD shaft. They jump as good as a white guy.PKM said:
I don't think so. Some people think that if you aim the center of two shafts at the same place on the CB the smaller diameter shaft will hit farther from the CB's center - but this usually isn't true. Unless you're close to maximum sidespin or the tips are curved differently, they'll hit in the same place on the CB.
There's no reason that I know of for a smaller diameter shaft to give more spin for the same hit, and in fact tests show they don't.
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Shawn Armstrong said:
This is one difference I agree with (from my own experience), and I don't know why.
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PKM said:
I've never heard of one that checked out - except for jump shots.
I'm pretty sure it's just what people are used to.
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Why would you want to do that?
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What's the shot?
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I'll be first in line. Swerve is much worse than squirt - it won't hold still!
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Patrick Johnson said:
Pat,
About your last sentence: for some reason, I seem to get more english on the cue ball when shooting with the smaller diameter shaft. I don't doubt that you are right, however. And ensuring actual tip placement when striking the cue ball seems easier with the smaller tip. Have you done any tests using similar shafts with the same tip size but with the difference in the shafts being a major difference either in weight (say a 1 ounce difference between the shafts) or a noted difference in the flexibility of the shafts?
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AtLarge said:
Nice post. You've obviously thought about this, and your reasoning is on the money. You have a preference and you know exactly why.
I have the opposite preference but I arrive at it pretty much the same way - I like to adjust for squirt/swerve consciously, by simply aiming offline a certain amount for each shot (what you call using "parallel english").
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Patrick Johnson said:
That's how I do it for most shots also.
An important factor when shooting those shots with english the way you and I do is the speed of the stroke and quality of the stroke too, also figuring in how much the cue ball will swerve over the distance of the shot for the speed of shot and english applied.
It's what makes this so darned difficult. Plus, in a tournament, when changing tables and ball sets, it further complicates it. It's one reason to consider taking a really full stroke whenever possible, as Bob Henning advocates, for when the cue ball is really moving, there's less time for the ball to swerve on it's way to the object ball.
Fascinating subject.
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Flex said:
Lots of players say that - lots of them also say they get more spin with low-squirt shafts, or with different tips, etc. I don't know why, but it's a common misperception.
That's the reason I have a smaller tip. That better view of where I'm hitting the CB makes a world of difference for me.
I haven't kept records of all the different kinds of shafts I've tested, but I've tested dozens of them over the years, of all kinds, and have never found a difference in the amount of spin that any of them produce for the same hit.
[NOTE: By "same hit" I mean hitting the same spot on the CB, with the same speed and the same (minimum) butt elevation. These things are all easily controlled with simple techniques that anybody can do at any time on any table. If you like, I'll show you sometime - we can compare our own cues against house cues at Chris's, even against my ultra-high-squirt Stinger break cue with phenolic tip.
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Patrick Johnson said:[NOTE: By "same hit" I mean hitting the same spot on the CB, with the same speed and the same (minimum) butt elevation. These things are all easily controlled with simple techniques that anybody can do at any time on any table. If you like, I'll show you sometime - we can compare our own cues against house cues at Chris's, even against my ultra-high-squirt Stinger break cue with phenolic tip.
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Let's do it!
I'm out of town until around the 18th, but the week of the 25th I'll have free table time all week long at a pool hall you know quite well.
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Honestly, I think I don't play with one because I don't like hype and trendy stuff. I don't own a trendy i-Pod or trendy i-phone or wear trendy Puma shoes. Dare to be different I guess. Or maybe all Predator's talk of making the game easier reminds me of home workout videos. Get your butt in the gym and do it the old-fashioned way.
If I were more serious about playing, I would probably try one and throw that mentality out the door, but I'm happy as is with standard shafts.
If I were more serious about playing, I would probably try one and throw that mentality out the door, but I'm happy as is with standard shafts.
I can't play with nothing but a predator. They shoot straight. Where ever I aim is where the cue ball is going. I had another cue a while back and it had taken me too long to change so I went back to predator. But your mind can adjust to anything. I would also like to see some of the shots that people can do with a regular shaft that they can't do with a predator.
Jump shots. Plain and simple. LD shafts do not jump well due to their design. There are a bunch of jump-based shots that were on Grady's instructionals that CANNOT be done with the LD shafts. Grady taught a bunch of shots where you are pocketing the ball with a jacked up cue, and jumping the cueball after contact for shape on balls. Great shots when you have no path due to blockers - you jack up, shoot the ball in, and the cueball "hops" over the blocker, goes to the rail, and gets shape. I have tried these shots with all the LD shafts I have been able to find, and I have yet to make any of them with one of them. If I have to choose between learning to compensate for more deflection, or losing some game winning shots, I'll learn to compensate.Mainplayer said:
