The Breedloves - Jeanette Lee and George

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Linda Carter - The QUEEN!
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I have a newfound measure of respect for the Breedloves. Not only did Jeanette enter as the only female in the IPT qualifier (as well as the other events at DCC, plus showed up in the AZB room, PLUS took care of her baby there) and played respectably, but her husband, George Breedlove was hill-hill and called a double hit on himself which allowed Alex to take ball in hand and go ahead to win the tournament. Now in my book, that is CLASS!

I'm not sure why Jeanette didn't apply originally, she would have been a lock to have been chosen for the IPT. I thought it was because of her back surgery, however she would have had adequate time to play in the first event, originally scheduled for the end of January.

For whatever reason, I give grand kudos to both of them; they showed tremendous talent and a whole lot of heart. If I were KT, I would invite both of them in, at the very least, for one of the open tournaments.

Linda
 
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An interesting sidelight

rackmsuckr said:
I have a newfound measure of respect for the Breedloves. Not only did Jeanette enter as the only female in the IPT qualifier (as well as the other events at DCC, plus showed up in the AZB room, PLUS took care of her baby there) and played respectably, but her husband, George Breedlove was hill-hill and called a double hit on himself which allowed Alex to take ball in hand and go ahead to win the tournament. Now in my book, that is CLASS!

I'm not sure why Jeanette didn't apply originally, she would have been a lock to have been chosen for the IPT. I thought it was because of her back surgery, however she would have had adequate time to play in the first event, originally scheduled for the end of January.

For whatever reason, I give grand kudos to both of them; they showed tremendous talent and a whole lot of heart. If I were KT, I would invite both of them in, at the very least, for one of the open tournaments.

Linda
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If you look at the brackets from the ipt qualifier you would notice that Jeanette, if she kept winning on the losers side would have had to play her husband. Wonder what they would have done.
 
nfty9er said:
If you look at the brackets from the ipt qualifier you would notice that Jeanette, if she kept winning on the losers side would have had to play her husband. Wonder what they would have done.
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My guess is they would have tried really hard to beat each other.
Kelly
 
CrownCityCorey said:
If I am not mistaken, Jeanette also won the 3-Cushion billiards qualifier event there at the Derby.
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You ARE mistaken ;). Jeanette was one of the final 4 in the second qualifier to decide who would win that spot, but she lost her first match of the 4-person single elimination final. That spot went to Bob Letherby. The winner of the first qualifier was Tom Rossman "Dr. Cue". Both had 12 players with two 6-person round robin to determine who the final 4 would be (2 from each bracket). Jeanette played well and ran a 7 in the round robin preliminaries. She should be very proud of her accomplishment.

Dave
 
rackmsuckr said:
....George Breedlove was hill-hill and called a double hit on himself which allowed Alex to take ball in hand and go ahead to win the tournament. Now in my book, that is CLASS!
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Actually, it is called playing by the rules. Is the integrity level of poolplayers so low that we must now come out and celebrate those afforded a chance to cheat who choose not to? I don't think so. I've got a lot more respect for poolplayers than that! As the great golfer Bobby Jones once noted after being praised with regard to a self-assessed penalty, it is the equivalent of praising somebody for "not robbing a bank."

As for the overall gist of the post, though, it is uncontestable that Jeanette and George are a credit to our sport. They would make wonderful additions to the IPT.
 
sjm said:
Actually, it is called playing by the rules. Is the integrity level of poolplayers so low that we must now come out and celebrate those afforded a chance to cheat who choose not to? I don't think so. I've got a lot more respect for poolplayers than that! As the great golfer Bobby Jones once noted after being praised with regard to a self-assessed penalty, it is the equivalent of praising somebody for "not robbing a bank."

As for the overall gist of the post, though, it is uncontestable that Jeanette and George are a credit to our sport. They would make wonderful additions to the IPT.
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I don't know many people who would call fouls on themselves and have had to call them when watching matches. Their defense was "well, their opponent wasn't looking". I hope to see Mr Breedlove win a qualifier, as any tour could use a player of his calibre.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I don't know many people who would call fouls on themselves....
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Well, we must travel in different circles, because I don't know many that wouldn't.

There is a reason that all but a few on this forum had a problem with Earl's failure to call a foul on himself during the skins game after an obvious infraction. For the record, announcer Allen Hopkins made it clear that he was no less disgusted than most of us.

Professionals competing in a professional environment generally compete with integrity. It is those who don't that are to be singled out!

Obviusly, you've seen what you've seen, and I don't contest that. I'm just sharing my experiences as a forty year fan of pro pool.
 
Tell me another sport, where they are using referees, that the player is supposed to call a foul on himself. Golf comes to mind but remember, the consequences are great if you get caught not calling a foul on yourself in golf. And I am sure we all know people who play golf who cheat.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I don't know many people who would call fouls on themselves and have had to call them when watching matches.
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You are showing your true colors again Marissa. I can't believe you would say such a thing. To the contrary on the PGA tour you would not find a tour member that would not call a penalty stroke on himself(same for the women on the LPGA) ............

It is called integrity:rolleyes:
 
sjm said:
Actually, it is called playing by the rules. Is the integrity level of poolplayers so low that we must now come out and celebrate those afforded a chance to cheat who choose not to? I don't think so. I've got a lot more respect for poolplayers than that! As the great golfer Bobby Jones once noted after being praised with regard to a self-assessed penalty, it is the equivalent of praising somebody for "not robbing a bank."

As for the overall gist of the post, though, it is uncontestable that Jeanette and George are a credit to our sport. They would make wonderful additions to the IPT.
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Well, I have seen it all - in leagues through the professional level. I like to think that most play with integrity, but to see it when so much was on the line impressed me. Now I wasn't there to know if everyone else saw the foul or heard it, but to me who always picks the cueball up and gives it to the other person and who gets tired of getting beat by those who turn their back when they foul and make you ask them, I loved seeing someone else with those values, even if he didn't seem to get rewarded. His reward is that he knows it was the right thing to do and can look at himself in the mirror. He may be angry that he double hit the cueball, but not that he was honest.

Once, a girl on our regional tour very clearly hit the 8 first when she was going for the 5. It was so far away from the 8 that I never even thought to call a ref. I was out of my chair calling the foul before any of the balls stopped rolling. She looked at me and asked what she did. When I explained she said she most certainly did not. All the sweators were nodding their heads that they had seen it. She said (loudly), "FINE! Take ball in hand then!" Really snotty. So I said, "OK, I will! (especially due to other general snottiness in the match). Unbeknownst to me, a player behind me on the next table that had not seen the shot said, "I really wish she would not give up ball in hand if she didn't think she fouled." I bring this up to show you what happened next was unbelievable.

The ref came over and asked us what happened. By now I have the cueball in my hand. I said, "She fouled, she told me I could take ball in hand, so I am taking ball in hand." She says, "I did not foul and I did NOT say she could have ball in hand". So the ref takes the ball out of my hand and gives her ball in hand!!! :eek: Now I have played in enough pro tournaments or any tournaments for that matter to know that I am never going to pick up a cueball without asking first. And the gal behind me even verified with her remark that she had heard her friend say I could have ball in hand.

This type of behavior, while not as flagrant, happens and I was merely recognizing someone for doing the right thing. Many times, a foul can go unnoticed and so it is not akin to robbing a bank, but more like finding a wallet on the sidewalk. What are you going to do??? I'd like to think I would take the high road but not everyone in the poolroom is going to, and I also think praise should be liberal, not to be hoarded - comes from raising kids, I guess, where you praise everything they do right. :o
 
rackmsuckr said:
Well, I have seen it all - in leagues through the professional level. I like to think that most play with integrity, but to see it when so much was on the line impressed me. Now I wasn't there to know if everyone else saw the foul or heard it, but to me who always picks the cueball up and gives it to the other person and who gets tired of getting beat by those who turn their back when they foul and make you ask them, I loved seeing someone else with those values, even if he didn't seem to get rewarded. His reward is that he knows it was the right thing to do and can look at himself in the mirror. He may be angry that he double hit the cueball, but not that he was honest.

Once, a girl on our regional tour very clearly hit the 8 first when she was going for the 5. It was so far away from the 8 that I never even thought to call a ref. I was out of my chair calling the foul before any of the balls stopped rolling. She looked at me and asked what she did. When I explained she said she most certainly did not. All the sweators were nodding their heads that they had seen it. She said (loudly), "FINE! Take ball in hand then!" Really snotty. So I said, "OK, I will! (especially due to other general snottiness in the match). Unbeknownst to me, a player behind me on the next table that had not seen the shot said, "I really wish she would not give up ball in hand if she didn't think she fouled." I bring this up to show you what happened next was unbelievable.

The ref came over and asked us what happened. By now I have the cueball in my hand. I said, "She fouled, she told me I could take ball in hand, so I am taking ball in hand." She says, "I did not foul and I did NOT say she could have ball in hand". So the ref takes the ball out of my hand and gives her ball in hand!!! :eek: Now I have played in enough pro tournaments or any tournaments for that matter to know that I am never going to pick up a cueball without asking first. And the gal behind me even verified with her remark that she had heard her friend say I could have ball in hand.

This type of behavior, while not as flagrant, happens and I was merely recognizing someone for doing the right thing. Many times, a foul can go unnoticed and so it is not akin to robbing a bank, but more like finding a wallet on the sidewalk. What are you going to do??? I'd like to think I would take the high road but not everyone in the poolroom is going to, and I also think praise should be liberal, not to be hoarded - comes from raising kids, I guess, where you praise everything they do right. :o
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Great response, Linda. I've seen it all, too. Guess being a mother makes praising the merely acceptable just to reenforce it an automatic reaction. Stay the course, Linda, for that's an admirable quality.
 
sjm said:
Great response, Linda. I've seen it all, too. Guess being a mother makes praising the merely acceptable just to reenforce it an automatic reaction. Stay the course, Linda, for that's an admirable quality.
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SJM,
You are being too kind. To condone cheating as SM does above or acceptable is shorting ourselves as humans. We ARE better than that and those that can sleep well at night after failing to play by the rules really have no conscious. I guess it all gets back to what floats your boat..... win at any cost or play to accomplish the most you can with "what you brung to the dance".

Me, I like the journey. The end will take care of itself.

p.s. Linda, I agree with your post.....reinforce the positive. And, I'm sure you push your children to reach beyond that, too. Tap, Tap!
 
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sjm said:
As the great golfer Bobby Jones once noted after being praised with regard to a self-assessed penalty, it is the equivalent of praising somebody for "not robbing a bank."
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Although the comment is kinda funny, I have always found the connection to be somewhat tenuous. Especially condsidering that Jones merely touched the ball, not affecting its position in anyway.

That said I agree with Marissa on this one. Often times the temptation to pretend the foul didn't happen is too great, especially if there is something on the line. At a pro tournament in Ottawa about a month ago there was a player who will remain nameless who pretended a foul didn't happen. I didn't actually see any foul but his opponent was adament about it. But regardless this doesn't make you a bad person anymore then getting away with travelling in Basketball or a missed incident of high sticking in hockey.

I understand that there is a bit of a difference, because not all matches are refereed and players are supposed to govern themselves in these instances. Nevertheless I guess my rather long winded point is that what George did is something to be commended. Considering what he would have won, a chance at the IPT, it would be very difficult to call a foul yourself in this situation.

regards
 
Cameron Smith said:
....Considering what he would have won, a chance at the IPT, it would be very difficult to call a foul yourself in this situation.
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This is a very disturbing argument. Every player on the IPT will be playing for more money than they ever have before. Are you suggesting that we should expect more attempts to cheat because of it, that the size of the paychecks will drive players to unethical and unsportsmanlike practices? If that happens, players may squander the biggest chance they've ever had to build a solid image for their sport and for themselves. I say that it won't happen that way, and that IPT players will recognize the importance of this opportunity to place themselves and pro pool in a positive light.

I'm of the opinion that players uninclined to call fouls on themselves, regardless of the stakes, in the interest of preserving the game's integrity don't deserve the opporutnity to play on the IPT.

Have a little faith. I think the players will surprise you by competing with complete integrity.
 
Im not saying one way or the other. I just wouldn't be shocked if someone tried to get away with something at some point. Regardless of bad calls or failiures to call fouls on ourselves, things seem equal out in the end anyways. Earl didnt win the skins event did he?

regards
 
Cameron Smith said:
Im not saying one way or the other. I just wouldn't be shocked if someone tried to get away with something at some point. Regardless of bad calls or failiures to call fouls on ourselves, things seem equal out in the end anyways. Earl didnt win the skins event did he?

regards
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Know where you're coming from here. Anyway, I think we understand both the ideals and the realities, and we've had a constructive debate. I know I've considered your point of view, and hope you've considered mine. I look forward to seeing how it all plays out. Have a good evening.
 
breedlove.

rackmsuckr said:
I have a newfound measure of respect for the Breedloves. Not only did Jeanette enter as the only female in the IPT qualifier (as well as the other events at DCC, plus showed up in the AZB room, PLUS took care of her baby there) and played respectably, but her husband, George Breedlove was hill-hill and called a double hit on himself which allowed Alex to take ball in hand and go ahead to win the tournament. Now in my book, that is CLASS!
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I respect that alot. I have few tapes with george playing, I like his style alot.

Mack
 
ScottR said:
SJM,
You are being too kind. To condone cheating as SM does above or acceptable is shorting ourselves as humans. We ARE better than that and those that can sleep well at night after failing to play by the rules really have no conscious. I guess it all gets back to what floats your boat..... win at any cost or play to accomplish the most you can with "what you brung to the dance".

Me, I like the journey. The end will take care of itself.

p.s. Linda, I agree with your post.....reinforce the positive. And, I'm sure you push your children to reach beyond that, too. Tap, Tap!
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Where do you see that I condone cheating?? I think any player should have the integrity to call a foul on himself, but honestly I haven't seen that as much as I'd like to.
 
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