Smorgass Bored said:
Serious Menstrual Syndrome, imo.
The Charlie/Corey thread
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Serious Menstrual Syndrome, imo.
Shawn Armstrong said:
CW would be in a better situation as the defendant in a criminal sexual assault case, than as the plaintiff in a libel case concerning the same allegations. If the sexual assault went to trial, he would only have to show reasonable doubt that he committed the offense. If the libel case went to trial, he would have to produce a preponderance of evidence that he did not commit the alleged offense, since truth is a defense for libel. This means that by bringing suit for libel, he would be inviting Marissa's legal representation to bring basically every hint of a misdeed he's ever committed out into the light in civil court. CW libel suit against Marissa = absolute open season on CW's reputation; no skeletons left in closets, no indiscretions left unexposed, no incriminating claims left unvoiced. I know lawyers who are of the opinion that the plaintiff's reputation in a libel suit inevitably ends up besmirched more by the trial itself than by the libelous claim, and as such there's no such thing as "winning" a libel suit.
However, if the allegations are true, what is really needed here is a conviction. If Marissa fought him off one night, and he came back the next night, that would imply that this is a person who does not take no for an answer when it comes to sex, and who is unashamed and undeterred by being caught red-handed! That's a person who needs A LOT sterner reckoning than a public apology. That's a person who needs a conviction on his record, a lot of psychotherapy, and who needs close tabs kept on him in the future, because otherwise he'll do it again and again. Marissa, if what you're saying is true, it's your duty to every woman who crosses his path in the future to prosecute.
-Andrew
SHORT MESSAGE SERVICE (just googled it and learned it myself)Smorgass Bored said:
I would like to address this...
This is for people that have insinuated that this incident may not have occurred, or that Marissa might have embellished her story...
I was in Jacksonville that weekend for the UPA tournament. Marissa told me about this incident the morning after it occurred. She has never changed her story.
Marissa and I spent a lot of time together that weekend, and I saw how this affected her emotionally. Despite this incident, she stayed at the event and completed the job she was hired to do. There was basically nothing she could do - she was in a city see was not familiar with - the room she was staying in was provided by you know who... she was horrified and paralyzed, and had no idea what kind of backlash she would get for reporting this. I know all of this because she and I discussed it that weekend.
This is not a new story. This is not something that she just made up to get attention. She and I have discussed this incident several times over the past few years. The only people that know what actually occurred that night are Marissa and Charlie - however - many people knew about this DURING the event. Admittedly, I only know Marissa's side of the story -and it would be unfair to point a finger at Charlie and said he did this. That is what the legal system is for.
Charlie won't respond because HE SHOULDN'T respond. Its a smart move.
As for Marissa making this public knowledge, I admire her for her courage. 3 years ago she was not strong enough to do this - even though many of us were trying to convince her to push forward and at least report it.
This is for people that have insinuated that this incident may not have occurred, or that Marissa might have embellished her story...
I was in Jacksonville that weekend for the UPA tournament. Marissa told me about this incident the morning after it occurred. She has never changed her story.
Marissa and I spent a lot of time together that weekend, and I saw how this affected her emotionally. Despite this incident, she stayed at the event and completed the job she was hired to do. There was basically nothing she could do - she was in a city see was not familiar with - the room she was staying in was provided by you know who... she was horrified and paralyzed, and had no idea what kind of backlash she would get for reporting this. I know all of this because she and I discussed it that weekend.
This is not a new story. This is not something that she just made up to get attention. She and I have discussed this incident several times over the past few years. The only people that know what actually occurred that night are Marissa and Charlie - however - many people knew about this DURING the event. Admittedly, I only know Marissa's side of the story -and it would be unfair to point a finger at Charlie and said he did this. That is what the legal system is for.
Charlie won't respond because HE SHOULDN'T respond. Its a smart move.
As for Marissa making this public knowledge, I admire her for her courage. 3 years ago she was not strong enough to do this - even though many of us were trying to convince her to push forward and at least report it.
Shawn Armstrong said:
So no victim of a crime is allowed to tell anyone about who did it until after the perpetrator has been convicted? Ludicrous. Everyone has a right to to relay their own experience of being a victim, to include naming the accused. The accused has a right to sue for libel etc if the alleged victim's story can be proven to be baseless, false, and with malicious intent (rare and notoriously difficult to do). She has not taken away any of Charlie's or anybody else's rights. Sounds more like you are trying to take away her's (free speech).Shawn Armstrong said:
Sometimes, The Slightest Thing Will Set Someone Off
I believe Marissa, I'm just wondering if she might have done anything inadvertantly during her stay that might have encouraged CW to act in that fashion ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKo9X3iNV0s
Doug
Blackjack said:
I believe Marissa, I'm just wondering if she might have done anything inadvertantly during her stay that might have encouraged CW to act in that fashion ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKo9X3iNV0s
Doug
wahcheck said:
Like I said, I wasn't at the hotel - I didn't see anything - but Marissa did tell me about what happened that morning, and I can attest to how this affected her.
As far as Charlie is concerned, I understand that he is very unpopular. Nobody is 100% good or 100% bad. In my one on one interaction with Charlie I have never had any problems with him. We've had words once or twice about other issues, but nothing serious. This is a PR nightmare for him and DP. I respect Charlie as a player, as a businessman, and as a person.
Obviously, his lack of popularity, combined with these allegations is going to cause further problems down the road. I've never seen him back down from any challenging situation, and this will be no different.
Like I said, the only people that know what actually occurred that night are Charlie and Marissa.
I support Marissa because I know that whatever happened that night crushed her spirit and brought back painful issues for her to deal with again. It really sucked to see that happen so suddenly when she was having so much fun the day before.
So IMO, something definitely happened.
Poolplaya9 said:
Precisely, it's no different than the "So&So Stiffed Me" threads. Or the "This Guy Was A Real Jerk and I Want Everyone To Know About It" threads.
And having been on forums for many years I've learned one thing and one thing only. Moderators are Gods. No laws exist except the ones they create and employ. If you don't like it, call a civil rights lawyer. Or a cop. Yeah, file a police report and hold your head high when you do it!
You need to learn how to read. I'm giving her advice on the proper way to proceed. A few years ago, I had an issue with a similar incident, except I was the accused. I did nothing wrong, yet had to stand trial. It took a whole 5 hours to prove me innocent. I received an apology from the police and the crown attorney. I sued for libel. I won. Here's the wonderful part of the whole ordeal. I still can't chaperone any events my son attends, due to merely having the accusation against me. I cannot coach a team for the next 6 years. My wife cannot be a block parent or run a daycare because of the accusation. So, my friend, maybe you should watch what you say when you talk about me imposing on her rights. The girl who had me charged lied, and was caught during cross that she lied. Did she face mischief charges? No.Poolplaya9 said:
I merely want Marissa to know there are proper avenues to talk about this. This wasn't a shady cue deal. This is an accusation that can ruin someone's life. Trust me, I know. For the next 6 years, I have a shadow that follows me, even though I did nothing.
this reminds me
This whole episode, especially with those posters who ask why SM would possibly lie about such a thing, brings to mind how easy it is for a female to accuse somebody of something like rape, or for that matter, even a child to allege molestation, and ruin the reputation of the supposed perpetrator, WHETHER GUILTY OR INNOCENT........I'm not saying SM is not telling the truth, I'm just agreeing with those who have mentioned how serious it is to say something of this nature........on a public forum, no less, with thousands of readers...
Smorgass Bored said:
This whole episode, especially with those posters who ask why SM would possibly lie about such a thing, brings to mind how easy it is for a female to accuse somebody of something like rape, or for that matter, even a child to allege molestation, and ruin the reputation of the supposed perpetrator, WHETHER GUILTY OR INNOCENT........I'm not saying SM is not telling the truth, I'm just agreeing with those who have mentioned how serious it is to say something of this nature........on a public forum, no less, with thousands of readers...
Blackjack's info tells me CW has no criminal liability regardless of what happened between SM and him.
In florida, capital felonies (not applicable here) have no statute of limitations.
1st degree felonies are 4 years and from the description Marissa gives there is no 1st degree felony.
All other felonies are capped at 3 years for the statute of limitations. Formal charges by the State Attorney's office of Duval county must be filed within 3 years from the date of offense.
Misdemeanor charges are 2 and 1 year SOL.
The UPA Championship tournament was March 17 - 20, 2005.
No matter what happened at that tournament, CW is off the hook for formal criminal charges.
<----Uwate was a former Public Defender in Duval county
In florida, capital felonies (not applicable here) have no statute of limitations.
1st degree felonies are 4 years and from the description Marissa gives there is no 1st degree felony.
All other felonies are capped at 3 years for the statute of limitations. Formal charges by the State Attorney's office of Duval county must be filed within 3 years from the date of offense.
Misdemeanor charges are 2 and 1 year SOL.
The UPA Championship tournament was March 17 - 20, 2005.
No matter what happened at that tournament, CW is off the hook for formal criminal charges.
<----Uwate was a former Public Defender in Duval county
And, to take it one step further, CW has up to 2 years to charge for libel from the last known date of the libelous communication. This is why SM should take this off the public newsgroup. Some people think I am attacking her - I'm trying to help her in this situation. Every time she posts something, the clock starts anew.uwate said:
I'm Ready For My Closeup Mr. DeMille
Can't you people just LEAVE MARISSA ALONE ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvG-qAjaVss
Doug
wahcheck said:
Can't you people just LEAVE MARISSA ALONE ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvG-qAjaVss
Doug
dont worry dave. Charlies defense is when he snuck into the room, got naked and climbed into bed he thougt it was thorstens room
That's just plain wrong. I like Thorsten!thebighurt said:
