The Charlie/Corey thread

jimmy-leggs said:
The name sounds farmiliar,please refresh my memory.


A very young African-American women claimed that she was raped by some people who were white.Rev sharpton jumped in and raised raccus and created a show .Through the judicial enquiry it was found that there was no merit for her claims.Some of the accused wanted to sue /or sued Rev.sharpton for libel/slander.I do not know what happened after that.
 
Since Charlie's not a loser....

Unfazed with his failure to break into Marissa's room the second time, he realizes he won't let her quit winners. He assembles the nuts for attempt number three......


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I wanted to make sure this masterpiece wasn't buried in the other non-active thread.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
His defenses would probably be that:

He had a right to access the room because it was his, his organization's, or because it was provided by him to one of his employees.

Companies provide rooms for employees all the time. He has a block of rooms reserved during tournaments. That doesn't give him the right to enter any of them.

He thought she was interested, because she had been flirting with him too.

I never flirted with him, but that is still no excuse to let yourself into someone's room, disrobe, and crawl into their bed without their knowledge.

He was not trying to attack her in any way, and in fact he made sure to announce his presence in the room by calling her name to wake her up or get her attention, and also by identifying himself to her by name.

He did not announce his presence. I don't know how long I was asleep before I realised he was touching me. I woke up screaming. Then I heard "Marissa, Marissa, it's me Charlie." He was trying to quiet me as not to disturb anyone within hearing distance or the next rooms. When I was fully awake, I had to push him off of me.

When she made it clear she was not interested he immediately left the room without any problems.

Because I was still screaming for him to leave.

Or he could simply say none of it ever happened-prove it, which is almost certainly what he would at least say about the second nights occurance where he was alleged to have fidgeted with the door lock from the outside.

For the record, I'm not at all saying I don't believe Marrissa, only that he may have good defenses in the eyes of the law. She should have (and still should if possible) pressed charges anyway, if for no other reason than to let him know that not every girl out there is going to roll over and accept this type a behavior. That in itself would likely be some kind of future deterrant.
You'd have to ask the other girls why they didn't press charges either. I can only say that I was embarrassed, ashamed, in shock, and crying hysterically, and I assume they felt the same way.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
You'd have to ask the other girls why they didn't press charges either. I can only say that I was embarrassed, ashamed, in shock, and crying hysterically, and I assume they felt the same way.
As I mentioned, I am not in any way saying that you are lying, or defending him. I agree that those excuses don't justify or excuse his actions as you reported them. But from a legal standpoint, some of those defenses might hold some weight in a courtroom, particularly after a good lawyer has twisted them and put a spin on them to make them appear to be more in his favor. I'm not saying he would definitely have a chance with those defenses, but they would probably be the places that his defense would likely start from.

For the record, based strictly on your account of things, I would say that his behavior was criminal and absolutely repugnant, and something that he should be severely punished for. I do still stand by the fact that you should have reported it to the police though (and still should), no matter how you feel/felt about it. Doing the right thing isn't always easy...
 
vagabond said:
A very young African-American women claimed that she was raped by some people who were white.Rev sharpton jumped in and raised raccus and created a show .Through the judicial enquiry it was found that there was no merit for her claims.Some of the accused wanted to sue /or sued Rev.sharpton for libel/slander.I do not know what happened after that.
Ok, for the youngsters go to 2006- people would possibly have their doubts due to the Duke Lacrosse team rape case. (Again - I am not saying Marissa is lying).

Yes vagabond - I am old and from New York so how could I not remember. 1987. She was from upstate New York. Not only did she claim to be raped but had racial slurs written all over her body and stated that the rapists did that to her as well. Sharpton claimed everyone from the local police to New York Governor Mario Cuomo was engaged in a cover-up.

The Aftermath (for vagabond and those who think you can't sue for libel or slander) - The Brawley case resurfaced a decade later when Steven Pagones (who was a district attorney and was actually accused of participating in the alleged abduction and rape) filed a defamation suit against Maddox, Mason and Al Sharpton; he had already won a default judgment against Tawana in 1991. By 1997, Tawana had moved to Washington and changed her name to Maryam Muhammad. She returned to New York to speak before a rally at Brooklyn's Bethany Baptist Church in support of her advisers, insisting that she had told the truth about the abduction. The court found otherwise. Her advisers were ordered to pay Pagones $345,000 while Tawana had to pay $185,000. "Tawana Brawley appears caught up in her own fiction," said New York State Supreme Court Justice S. Barrett Hickman. Unfortunately, the rest of the country had to be caught up in it, too.

referenced to help me remember all the specifics:

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id315.htm
 
AzHousePro said:
OK, it was fun for a while. It has quickly gotten out of hand though.

Mike


Was this the origonal post (from 10 pages ago)

It appears to have spread into at least three fun out of hand threads.

What is funny is nobody can seem to verify any of the details of any of the happenings...It is all hear say...

Interesting reads though...

I am just waiting for the coin to flip and read the next round of stories that SW actually hit on CW and after being rejected by CW decided she needed to redeem her pride by posting what she did.
 
uh oh

so now it appears in post #145, SM has added new details of the night in question; He touched her, and when she was fully awake, she had to push him off of her.....Gee, what is coming next?
 
wahcheck said:
so now it appears in post #145, SM has added new details of the night in question; He touched her, and when she was fully awake, she had to push him off of her.....Gee, what is coming next?
That's nothing new. I already stated I had to push him away. He had to be touching me for me to push him from me.
 
BRKNRUN said:
Was this the origonal post (from 10 pages ago)

It appears to have spread into at least three fun out of hand threads.

What is funny is nobody can seem to verify any of the details of any of the happenings...It is all hear say...

Interesting reads though...

I am just waiting for the coin to flip and read the next round of stories that SW actually hit on CW and after being rejected by CW decided she needed to redeem her pride by posting what she did.

The definition of hearsay is you can't testify to what someone said to you unless that person is available to be able to be examined and cross-examined. For example, if Marissa said Joe Blow told her that CW did the same to him and Joe Blow wasn't available to testify to what he said to Marissa or to what CW did, that would be hearsay. There are exceptions to hearsay laws, death-bed confessions for instance.
 
HouseMan said:
The definition of hearsay is you can't testify to what someone said to you unless that person is available to be able to be examined and cross-examined. For example, if Marissa said Joe Blow told her that CW did the same to him and Joe Blow wasn't available to testify to what he said to Marissa or to what CW did, that would be hearsay. There are exceptions to hearsay laws, death-bed confessions for instance.


You are correct...I guess I should have chosen the words second hand or perhaps farily unverefiable information.

Side note...Based on this situation....I did get a cuckle out of the name you chose..."Joe Blow"
 
hmmmmmm

BRKNRUN said:
You are correct...I guess I should have chosen the words second hand or perhaps farily unverefiable information.

Side note...Based on this situation....I did get a cuckle out of the name you chose..."Joe Blow"

I am not sure what a cuckle is but for some reason sounds appropriate as well.

BVal
 
JCIN said:
Shit like this just makes me shake my head.

Sometimes people here make me sick.

Yeah me too. Im going to take a break from this site. Between the kind of nasty woofing and this it just shows no respect for the game. After I click off this site I find myself in a negative frame of mind.
This game that we love will never change the course of history but it doesnt have its value. Its sense of pride and heroics. Its valor.
I think of the men and women who played it over the years and wonder what would think of it now. Irving Crane, Dorothy Wise, Mosconi, Hoppe, Lassiter, Eddie Taylor, etc. whose complete focus was on the game itself. That ideal goal of stepping up to the table and running out. The kind of focus I see in some Champions today who carry out that honor. Efren, Varner, Archer, Parica, etc. Sure they had their own personal insecurities and fault but this is something else. This is rotten. This is not pool. This not the joy of the game.
When Justin and I went to see Ernie at Gina cue I was envigorated. To see such a fine craftsman who had devoted his life to making the most perfect cue that he could and in the meantime raising and supporting his family. To see a young man, Justin, so interested in his work and brought an ethic to it that I had long lost in mine. It was a beautiful culmination that was all good in the pool world.
Now we see words of accusations by baby gamblers calling each other "nits" and what not. Hey the man is a US Champion, like him or not. OUR US Champion. Show some modicum of respect. The guy had to work hard to get there and then some. The degrading of past Champions. 99% of us will never get to the level of The Earthquake. Do you think he was born playing that way. No any pro had to do like any other pro in a sport and that is work hard at it. 24/7. But only in our sport they had to gamble to survive. The disrespect just wallows over this board like a black cloud. And I find myself participating in it too and I want to stop.
And finally this business about CW. I just dont feel we should be involved in it. We should let personal feelings aside and let the authorities deal with it.
SM insistence on crusading it about on the board is distasteful. I dont know her as a person but as any adult should know you dont discuss your case in public. Every word you say hurts you. Ask any jail house lawyer. And why she couldnt report it to the police and now can talk on a public forum is quite contradictatory. I understand the psychology of it but dont understand the intellectual logic of it.
Anyway I dont want to be in the power to judge so it befits me that I should take a respite from all of this and try to put my energies in positive things. My game has been going to pieces and even the house janitor is beating up on me. My poker game is solid but cant draw the rock properly anymore. So its back to the grind. Good luck.
 
yobagua said:
SM insistence on crusading it about on the board is distasteful. I dont know her as a person but as any adult should know you dont discuss your case in public. Every word you say hurts you. Ask any jail house lawyer. And why she couldnt report it to the police and now can talk on a public forum is quite contradictatory. I understand the psychology of it but dont understand the intellectual logic of it.
Good luck.


At the time she made her original post, I dont she was thinking of a 'case'. Others are urging her in that direection and she stated she has PMs re other ladies with similar run-ins and those facts have changed things imho.
 
SmoothStroke said:
I would love an apology from Charlie Williams. All I've gotten was a threat of being kicked out of his events.

I don't want what he did to be swept under the rug like it was in the first place. You just don't let yourself into a girl's room, get naked, and try to force yourself on her while she sleeps.

I am sure I am going to get ripped apart for this.
Are you out of your mind? First of all an apology will admit guilt. Do you think he will publicly admit to being guilty? DUH
If you don't want this swept under a rug do you think by making accusations in a public forum is the answer? DUH

It's not a secret in the pool world what type of person Charle is.Leopards don't change thier spots. Do you understand what that means or must it be explained to you? Is it a surprise to you that he did what you accuse him of? If it is here is blank check go buy a brain.

Sex offenders pay a price. Repeat offenders pay a much larger price most of the time, hopefully. By not reporting what you say happened to the proper authorities you have left the door open. If others before you had filed a report this entire thread and what you accuse him of may never have happened. Instead all you did was create a monster for members, non members,moderators and owners of this site and Charlie. Happy?
All of this to say.. I just want an apology. Are you out of your mind? You have to be kidding.
They would have to empty the U.S. mint to buy you a brain
a blank check will not do.

I don't like Charlie, never did, never will.
I have three sisters.
I can sympathize.

You my dear better buy a clue and get with the program.

Bash away, send red reps,

Which girl is this? Does anyone know?
 
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