The DCC

[jay helfert]

Nothing I said was not true. Period. I don't know how you can say my criticism is not fair.

I have explained to you how to make the bank ring game work and make it fair for the players. Maybe next year the NFL should make the Super Bowl champion be the first team to score in the game. It would save everyone a lot of time and the USA could get back to work and put some effort into this dying economy.

I have explained how your rules, yes your rules and your ring game, so you have to take the blame cost me and Danny H. $$$$$.

You state that you were only given 2 1/2 hours, period. Jay and Fatboy got plenty of hours for their 10 ball challenge and multiple tables to boot. I only was able to watch the first night, but it started at midnight and the final match of Ralf-Marcus ended at almost 4 AM. Jay - how did you persuade Greg to giving you so many tables and so many hours?

I have related to all that your complaint of table space had nothing to do with you losing in the one pocket as you played upstairs. Maybe Greg and his staff can state to you and everyone else the following - don't blame them for limited space that you complained about, they did not design the Horseshoe Casino and did not develop the pool table over hundred years ago to be 4 1/2 x 9. It is not their fault that tables in certain areas had to be close together.

You make it everyone's business when you accuse Diamond of not helping you in anyway and implying that what you have done in the past was for nothing in compensation.

I was right in my assumption that you got free room from Diamond for many years at the DCC. For two and a half hours of live work and probably two hours of pre tournament work in gathering up 4-6 players to get in your event. Greg Sullivan, you have my number. Give IBA (Daniel) a chance this year but if he fails please give me a call. I am not rich like Grady and would consider $1300 in hotel rooms free for 5 hours of work as being overpaid.

40 major tournaments is impressive. I know I am young and dumb and really don't know anything but the only tournament that comes to my mind is the one you had, I believe in Reno, where the entry fee was $1100 and last place paid $1000. The idea being that the casino would be happy that every pool player had $1000 in their pocket to blow in the casino. NOW THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. You should do more of these and less bank ring games.

The deal I made with Greg was to run the Fatboy Challenge AFTER the tournament ended each night. That was why we agreed to have the matches begin at Midnite. I was not about to turn this event into a short race shootout. I wanted to see who the best player was, just like everyone else. Greg never thought I could get 16 players to put up $1,000 each. He wanted to make it a $500 event.

Surprise, we had three players on a waiting list to get in. The format was good, win two matches and you get back $2,500, a nice profit. And the races were long (to 15), long enough for the best player to win. Plus we would only play one round a night. Each match lasted 2-3+ hours, so I thought that was enough play for one night, and this way the players could get some rest before their tournament matches the next day.

All in all it worked out good, although it meant some very long nights for me. I didn't really give myself the best chance to play in the tournament, but that was not my focus anyway. I didn't even buy back after losing a close match in the Banks to Sam Monday (3-2). He went on to finish 17th I think.

After the Fatboy was over, I had two lonnng days of the One Pocket Challenge to run. I put my time in this year, kind of like when you own a poolroom and have to be there every night (and day). But I had a great time, just wish I could have visited more with some people. Seemed like I always had something to do. I even had time to work a couple of Accu-Stat matches for Pat, referee a 14.1 match and do the Shane-Busty match for TAR. I slept all the way home on the plane, and ten hours the next day.

Now I'm back to work putting the finishing touches on Pool Wars. Shouldn't be long now.

 

[JAM]

I don't know if I have the correct impression of your post. Maybe you thought I spoke rudely of Grady, I did not. He is a legend of the game, but he made it quite obvious that he felt Diamond and the DCC had taken advantage of him. It seems you may have meant to demean me and accuse that I might not be able to perform what I offered. If that is the case, I am sorry for dignifying it with a response. To give the benefit of the doubt, I will assume it was merely a legitimate question, so here is your answer:

JAM I have run a few tournaments in the South. Some with a large number of players with sponsors and added money and all ran in a professional and timely manner, but I was not offering to run a tournament.

Rather, I offered to organize, promote, and host a 6 man ring game (gambling). This is one thing in which I have more than a fair share of familiarity. I can also operate a computer system to correctly track player's chip count which is something that I have found lacking at the last two ring games at which I have been in attendance.

I feel that anyone who runs any pool event should do everything in there power to assure that proper scores are kept and player's money is handled fairly and honestly. Pool player's have a hard enough time making money on the road without having to overcome a $1500 swing in money due to an event organizers error.

Thank you for the well-written and informative response! :smile:

I truly was curious about your credentials in running a tournament. I've run MANY of them myself, and it is not an easy chore.

One small tournament I ran in 1986 was my first experience in running a "high-profile event," and that was the Maryland State Championship. I still have the poster autographed by all competitors in my basement. I can remember some of the names. Mike Sigel, Cigar Tom Vanover, Teddy Bear Wilson (1st, 2nd, and 3rd place respectively), Geese, Radar, Freddy Boggs, a bunch of Baltimore players, and I just can't remember the others at the time of this writing.

Well, this guy Ed (can't remember his last name, but he still plays today) was moving as slow as a turtle, and he was holding up my chart. EVERYBODY had to stand around and wait for their matches because Ed just didn't seem to know how to speed it up. Scotty Boggs, Freddy's brother, came up to me very irate, wanting to know how I could let this happen. He was fuming.

Then there were the rule calls. I printed out a set of rules, but when a problem came up, everybody argued and asked for a decision. When I made the decision, the person who it went against would complain loudly, ad nauseum. :angry:

The owner of the pool room, Richard Allen of Champion Billiards, came up to me and said the tournament had to be done for the day by 8:00 because he needed his revenue for table time. :sorry:

Geese came up to me and cursed me out because he got knocked out of the tournament and accused me, his girlfriend, of pulling against him, since I was watching another match. He left in a huff, only after embarassing me in public. Anyone who knew Geese is well aware of his Italian temper. Grady knows!

Then there is the semi-finals and finals I ran in Rockville of a Miller League which actually got on local TV. I had Chester Morris there doing trick shots, and there's a funny story about this one which I will save for another time. I ran a huge finals with over 100 participants in a bar which had only one bar box in it. LOL! People were hanging off the rafters, but everybody was drinking and having a good time. The owner of the bar came up to me the next day and ripped up my bar tab which was almost a hundred bucks. He said that Saturday, the day before, was the largest revenue he had ever made in one day since he had been open. :grin-square:

I've also run a lot of one-day tournaments at numerous pool rooms and bars, putting up with a lot of lip service. It never fails. There's always one or two in the crowd who will voice their displeasure at how the tournament is being run.

You see, you couldn't pay me enough money to run a tournament. I cannot imagine how difficult it is to listen to the B.S. at the Derby from the attendees. Hey, I was a vocal attendee at the DCC one year when the matches weren't called at their designated times. I cannot imagine listening to 500-plus people who are pissed off because of one thing or another.

It's easy to sit back and criticize others on a pool forum, but to rip apart an American pool legendary champion on this "pool" forum is in very poor taste, IMHO. It's always the same culprits who do it. They gang up and take turns making potshots at those who they don't like on this forum. It's a sport for them.

Funny thing about it is, most of them can't play a lick of pool, but like bragging about how rich and successful they are in their personal life, how pro player are bums with no jobs, and how much better they are than pool players. It's an inferiority complex these members suffer from. They need to belittle the pool champions in order to make themselves feel better about their own lives. In fact, they would give all the tea in China to even play one game as well as some of the American pool champions who they bash.

So, Daniel, you can run the tournaments if you like at DCC, but I'm not quite sure you have enough capability to deal with the B.S. that goes along with it. Be prepared for public scrutiny about the clothes you wear, how shitty you play pool, and how ignorant you are. And when the ring game and/or tournament is concluded, look out for a dozen or more threads right here on AzBilliards Discussion Forum about how crappy the event was that YOU ran.

Grady is a senior citizen and has devoted his life to pool. It's a damn shame that some members of this forum thinks it is okay to bash him with mean-spirited words. Shame on them. I say let them go back to their day jobs and find them a forum about making money. Leave the pool forum like this one to the pros. I'd rather read their words of wisdom than wannabes who, by their own admission, can't run three balls in a row.

Let the pool detective and his buddy come out and hide behind their screen names and give me a little bash, or maybe pick on my boyfriend if they can't get at me. Welcome to AzBilliards Discussion Forum, one that is supposed to be about pool.

 

[JB Cases]

The computer program went on the fritz, and got the draw all messed up. Players with two losses were still getting drawn back in. It was a disaster until they got that straightened out. There was no way you could watch the screen from your hotel room, and it was a long walk to the tournament area, so players had to just hang around until their match was up.

They said they had a system in place to start the next round of play before the current round was complete. But that never quite worked out either. I don't understand how they could do that anyway, until they knew who was buying back in. I think they need to totally rework the way these events are conducted, and I think I know a way that could be done.

I understand that the buy-backs pay the bills and help with the added money, so they are a necessary part of the tournament. I have an idea how they can generate money and not have buy-backs, but until they ask for my help I can't do anything. Bottom line, it's not my tournament, and Greg does it the way he wants to. It's just a very complicated procedure with the buy-backs, and always will be.

It doesn't have to be.

I have NO IDEA how they do it but they could make a rule that a person must buy back within ten minutes of their last match results being submitted. The person buys back and it's in the draw for the next round. As soon as the last match concludes then no later than 15 minutes after that the next draw is done. OR they should actually split the tournament into several sections and play those boards down.

Let's say that for example there are 400 players in the tournament. split the groups into 100 man boards and play those down to where there are only 20 left on each board and then throw those 20 onto an new board.

Stagger the start times of those boards and you will always have three boards going at any given time. (in theory) said as one who total tournament direction experience consists of a 3 player D-class field which had no match start on time and eventually ended with all three players forfeiting.

 

[iba7467]

So, Daniel, you can run the tournaments if you like at DCC, but I'm not quite sure you have enough capability to deal with the B.S. that goes along with it. Be prepared for public scrutiny about the clothes you wear, how shitty you play pool, and how ignorant you are. And when the ring game and/or tournament is concluded, look out for a dozen or more threads right here on AzBilliards Discussion Forum about how crappy the event was that YOU ran.

Grady is a senior citizen and has devoted his life to pool. It's a damn shame that some members of this forum thinks it is okay to bash him with mean-spirited words. Shame on them. I say let them go back to their day jobs and find them a forum about making money. Leave the pool forum like this one to the pros. I'd rather read their words of wisdom than wannabes who, by their own admission, can't run three balls in a row.

Again, I would not offer to assist with the entire tournament. Pool players (myself included although I am not much of a player) are the biggest group of whiners on the planet; I think it's a necessity to match up:grin:. I do however feel that if Grady does not feel inclined to associate with Diamond nor run the ring games that it is his choice. I merely offered my assistance in running this small portion of the week's festivities as it is one that I have most enjoyed (and made $$$$ on in the past).

I will repeat once again that I have not denigrated Grady once, but the statement I put in bold above is exactly what Grady has done to Greg Sullivan (who I think most will agree puts on the most entertaining pool tournament in the US). It is Grady's right to voice this opinion as everyone else also has this right ... stupid freedom of speech.

 

[JAM]

Again, I would not offer to assist with the entire tournament. Pool players (myself included although I am not much of a player) are the biggest group of whiners on the planet; I think it's a necessity to match up:grin:. I do however feel that if Grady does not feel inclined to associate with Diamond nor run the ring games that it is his choice. I merely offered my assistance in running this small portion of the week's festivities as it is one that I have most enjoyed (and made $$$$ on in the past).

I will repeat once again that I have not denigrated Grady once, but the statement I put in bold above is exactly what Grady has done to Greg Sullivan (who I think most will agree puts on the most entertaining pool tournament in the US). It is Grady's right to voice this opinion as everyone else also has this right ... stupid freedom of speech.

Of course, most seasoned forum posters are well aware that there is always THREE SIDES to any story. Nobody knows what transpired behind the scenes, other than Greg and Grady.

What a pity that there are those in forum land who seem to take pleasure in taking potshots at others, only for the pleasure they receive at hurting someone else's feelings or, in the worst case, posting untruths about their loved ones.

I have met some of these so-called trolls and forum flamers in person on the tournament trail. There is a reason they hide behind a computer name and/or never reveal their true identity. One exchange of conversation with them is quite revealing. Talk about "nut" cases. LOL! [PUN INTENDED] :grin-square:

 

[corvette1340]

I have no idea how the ring game went as I didn't watch it. I also have no idea how it was run or what kind of agreement was made between Grady and Greg or Diamond. Since I have no insight to this I cannot voice an opinion on who is in the right or wrong here.

However, I can voice an opinion on the right for others to have opinions. How is it ok for Grady to come on here and start threads complaining about Greg and Diamond, the Viking Tour, the UPA, Charlie Williams, Shannon Daulton, Mike Janis,etc, etc... and it not be ok for posters that have insight or were there to voice their opinions?

It is an absolute FACT that Grady has done a lot for the game. It is also an absolute FACT that most of Grady's recent threads and posts over the last couple of years have been complaining threads and bashing posts to some of the most respected people and organizations in pool. And that is fine, since this is after all a forum where members are free to voice their opinions. On the flip side, when Grady states a complaint about something and others disagree with it then it should also be alright for them to voice their opinions to dispute that. IN MY OPINION.

 

[gulfportdoc]

I understand that the buy-backs pay the bills and help with the added money, so they are a necessary part of the tournament. I have an idea how they can generate money and not have buy-backs,...

Since the buy-backs seem to be one of the major sources of the delays and glitches, I don't understand why they just don't make the tournaments double elimination. That way everyone knows where everyone stands at all times.

I don't know how many players usually plan on playing only one round, and not buying back, but my guess is that there aren't that many. It would be much simpler to just charge $200 or $225 for a dbl elim, and let it play out. Surely most guys aren't going to balk at paying an extra $75, after having traveled all the way to the venue and paying the related expenses?

I'm probably missing something here. There must have been some reason why the DCC started the single elim/buy-back format to begin with. However, I'd rather see standard double eminiation events.

Doc

 

[pooladdict]

You'd have people who forgot to turn them in. And some who'd try to sell them. Not very cost effective if the first tourney, you lose about half the devices. Sorry, not much faith in that plan.

They wouldnt lose them if everyone had to deposit 100 dollars to get them. I think its a great idea. Those plastic things cant cost much either.

 

[gbru]

Since the buy-backs seem to be one of the major sources of the delays and glitches, I don't understand why they just don't make the tournaments double elimination. That way everyone knows where everyone stands at all times.

I don't know how many players usually plan on playing only one round, and not buying back, but my guess is that there aren't that many. It would be much simpler to just charge $200 or $225 for a dbl elim, and let it play out. Surely most guys aren't going to balk at paying an extra $75, after having traveled all the way to the venue and paying the related expenses?

I'm probably missing something here. There must have been some reason why the DCC started the single elim/buy-back format to begin with. However, I'd rather see standard double eminiation events.

Doc

Hey! Great idea Doc. I think you are on to something good for the tournament.

I wish others would start thinking that way instead of dissing each other.

Thanks for being a good mediator........george

 

[JAM]

Interesting how one person's "facts" can only be one person's "opinion." Comical how the OPINIONS can sometimes become intermeshed and thrown around in Forum Land as if they are FACTS.

One man's opinion is another man's untruth. One man's facts is another man's opinion. One man's untruth is that same man's failure to understand the difference.

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

 

[JAM]

Since the buy-backs seem to be one of the major sources of the delays and glitches, I don't understand why they just don't make the tournaments double elimination. That way everyone knows where everyone stands at all times.

I don't know how many players usually plan on playing only one round, and not buying back, but my guess is that there aren't that many. It would be much simpler to just charge $200 or $225 for a dbl elim, and let it play out. Surely most guys aren't going to balk at paying an extra $75, after having traveled all the way to the venue and paying the related expenses?

I'm probably missing something here. There must have been some reason why the DCC started the single elim/buy-back format to begin with. However, I'd rather see standard double eminiation events.

Doc

I was told by a member of the DCC staff -- so this is hearsay -- that the buyback system was instituted to allow some players to quit after one round, if they so choose. Maybe their decision is related to finances, or maybe they want to sit back and enjoy the show. However, some players might like to buy back into the same tournament, to take another shot at the cheese.

Because there is no certainty for HOW MANY people will buy back or not buy back, it creates a MAJOR problem for logistical scheduling of matches sine die.

I heard it through the grapevine that there is a software that should handle this nightmare scheduling problem, but the software did not work this year for some technical reason. Maybe next year, they will be able to get it up and running. It will be interesting to see if it makes the buyback system a better-run tournament overall.

I like the buzzer thingies too, but I think it would be too expensive for the DCC to purchase a hundred or so of them. Maybe I am wrong, and they can get them wholesale! :wink:

 

[watchez]

Mr. Grady, are you implying that you did not get paid or compensated by Diamond for your services? It's just my guess, but hasn't Mr. Sullivan picked up your tabs in the past and more than likely this time too? (Isn't he Diamond enough for you )

Maybe you should check your expenses...

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Oh, since we are on the topic of talking about what was wrong with DCC, I would like to share my experience about the so called clinic you were in part with two other great players. I know there was a thread started earlier asking about the reviews and I purposely stayed out because I didn't want to say anything BAD!!! But since, we are talking about what's wrong with everybody else, you should know you are not as perfect as you think.

Sunny - Sorry you had a bad experience and hope this does not become your focus on what probably was a great week of pool for you. It was great finally meeting you in person and hope we can spend some more time hanging out at the next tournament.

And Sunny, I don't mean to put you on the spot but many people probably don't even realize who your husband is. I don't believe you have mentioned it in this forum let along bring it up in every waking moment on this board. Not that this should justify you as a person but it could help bring some weight to some of the points and opinions that you make on this forum. I am sure that you are given more insight into some events than most of us would ever know. Thanks for sharing many of these with me and the rest of us.

Speaking of your husband, I have great respect for the man. I would think that currently there is no other person in the pool world that has (1) accomplished more in recent years (2) is not afraid to try new things and hold new events (3) has the quantity & quality of players enter his events. I noticed that pre-registering seems to be a big part of the success to some of these events and used this philosphy in an event I am currently organizing. Thru the internet, I have been able to get 78 players to sign up beforehand to a Golden Tee tournament I am running at the end of this month. I would be sick if I ran an event and only 9 players showed up so I am using the internet to make sure that is not happening to one I am running. There is too much time involved organizing it and to be frank, I would be embarrassed if went out and got Budweiser as one of the sponsors but only a handful of people showed up. All this shows me that things don't have to be what they once were and just because something has been done for years and years, does not mean there is a better way.

 

[Grady]

My last try

I'm going to try one last time to explain. This is the first time I have ever criticized Diamond Table Co. and the DCC. I love their table and so do my customers. I also like and respect their entire staff. That is why I haven't publicly stated the most important reasons why I'm mad at them for not helping me in any way with my projects. To make it simple, however, their after the sale service with our family pool room hasn't been bad. It's been completely absent.
Greg approached me some years ago and in lieu of the many things I've done to assist Diamond and because of my history of being an action, stand-up guy, offered me free room and board and entry fees for life. This had nothing to do with my creating the Bank Pool ring games ( Has everyone forgotten that, yes, I invented it?).
The reasons for the two and a half hour restriction on the ring games are: 1. The camera men are really tired by then and 2. Beyond that requires two tapes from Accu-stats. This, of course, won't matter to Watchez or what ever his name is. He'll still find a way to attack me.
I'll be glad to give a refund to the gentleman who didn't like my part of the clinic. Just send me your address. I'm sorry if you weren't pleased. I really do try.
To anybody who thinks I can't have every match start on time, even if there were 1,000 players, well, put up your dough. I'll bet $10,000 I can do it.

 

[watchez]

I'm going to try one last time to explain. This is the first time I have ever criticized Diamond Table Co. and the DCC. I love their table and so do my customers. I also like and respect their entire staff. That is why I haven't publicly stated the most important reasons why I'm mad at them for not helping me in any way with my projects. To make it simple, however, their after the sale service with our family pool room hasn't been bad. It's been completely absent.
Greg approached me some years ago and in lieu of the many things I've done to assist Diamond and because of my history of being an action, stand-up guy, offered me free room and board and entry fees for life. This had nothing to do with my creating the Bank Pool ring games ( Has everyone forgotten that, yes, I invented it?).
The reasons for the two and a half hour restriction on the ring games are: 1. The camera men are really tired by then and 2. Beyond that requires two tapes from Accu-stats. This, of course, won't matter to Watchez or what ever his name is. He'll still find a way to attack me.
I'll be glad to give a refund to the gentleman who didn't like my part of the clinic. Just send me your address. I'm sorry if you weren't pleased. I really do try.
To anybody who thinks I can't have every match start on time, even if there were 1,000 players, well, put up your dough. I'll bet $10,000 I can do it.

That was a well thought reply. Thanks Grady. My suggestion would be - skip Accustats and have the bank ring game finish out like it should for the players that paid to enter.

 

[iba7467]

That was a well thought reply. Thanks Grady. My suggestion would be - skip Accustats and have the bank ring game finish out like it should for the players that paid to enter.

This is just a guess, but skipping Accu-stats may not be an option. This may be part of the agreement to have the game. Your feelings are of course understandable, but Grady may not even be the one who set the "all-in" rule.

Personally, I think the blinds should just be raised slightly more early on and then more regularly toward the end (such as all-in for the lesser player's amount). This at least guarantees that the player who has lead the entire game does not lose on one ball or one game..

 

[corvette1340]

This is just a guess, but skipping Accu-stats may not be an option. This may be part of the agreement to have the game. Your feelings are of course understandable, but Grady may not even be the one who set the "all-in" rule.

Personally, I think the blinds should just be raised slightly more early on and then more regularly toward the end (such as all-in for the lesser player's amount). This at least guarantees that the player who has lead the entire game does not lose on one ball or one game..

your opinions carry no weight on here because you haven't ran a world championship ring before and because you aren't a pool legend. Please refrain from voicing your opinions on an open internet forum in the future.

 

[watchez]

This is just a guess, but skipping Accu-stats may not be an option. This may be part of the agreement to have the game. Your feelings are of course understandable, but Grady may not even be the one who set the "all-in" rule.

Personally, I think the blinds should just be raised slightly more early on and then more regularly toward the end (such as all-in for the lesser player's amount). This at least guarantees that the player who has lead the entire game does not lose on one ball or one game..

I suggested the increase in blinds early on as well. I don't know how skipping Accu-stats could not be an option. The Fatboy 10 Ball event didn't need to have Accu-stats involved.

And two other points - I don't feel I am attacking Grady as I am being accused. I am stating facts. I can respect what Grady has accomplished in his pool life but as Corvette stated, that doesn't give him a free pass for everything he is involved in or anything he says. And I am saying it directly to him, not making a comment that he wouldn't know about or couldn't defend. Also, I realize that Grady invented the Bank Pool Ring game concept, that is why I feel it is his responsibility to see that the outcome is accomplished fairly.

 

[JoeyA]

:thumbup: I knew that Mr. Sullivan was ruining the greatest tournament ever in this country by moving to Harrah's, the math just don't work out. For the 10 years or so the event was held at the Executive West, the Hotel would have all the money at the end of the 10 days because that meant each player spent about $400 or so on their half the room rent. At Harrah's this cost nearly doubled so where was this extra money going to come from/ Grady has ran many tournaments I have attended and he ran them all first class with the help of his wife and his daughter, and if Mr. Sullivan really cares about his tournament and the Diamond reputation he will move his event back to the Executive West and give Mr. Mathews some serious consideration as he has proved many times that few have the love for the game of pool as Grady does. :thumbup:

Gerald,
The Executive West is no longer an option for the Derby City Classic. Their recent 40 million dollar renovation has put the hotel in another higher cost category.

To wonder if Mr. Sullivan really cares about his tournament and Diamond's reputation is a strange statement to make. If he didn't care about it, he would simply discontinue the DCC. I missed seeing you there.

Grady has proven himself a valuable resource to pool in general and I agree that Grady could offer his assistance to Greg and I'm sure he has but it is up to Greg to accept it.

THE SCHEDULING WAS S**T (SOS) AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!

Promises and excuses for improved scheduling seem to be the order of the day. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I CHOSE TO GO THIS YEAR WAS BECAUSE THEY SAID ALL MATCHES WOULD HAVE AN ASSIGNED TIME.
This turned out to be bogus information and the same old song and dance.

The cost of the rooms was practically prohibitive especially for a 10 day tournament if you wanted to stay alone. $130 a night (Friday and Saturday nights)to sleep for a few hours sleep is a joke. Bunking up with one or more persons was the only way pool players could cover the cost of the room. Even those who could easily afford the high cost of the room bunked with others.

For me, the tournament is far too long and I doubt if I will ever spend ten days at a pool tournament again. Four days seems to get my fix.

JoeyA

 

[satman]

While that might sound good

It doesn't have to be.

I have NO IDEA how they do it but they could make a rule that a person must buy back within ten minutes of their last match results being submitted. The person buys back and it's in the draw for the next round. As soon as the last match concludes then no later than 15 minutes after that the next draw is done. OR they should actually split the tournament into several sections and play those boards down.

Let's say that for example there are 400 players in the tournament. split the groups into 100 man boards and play those down to where there are only 20 left on each board and then throw those 20 onto an new board.

Stagger the start times of those boards and you will always have three boards going at any given time. (in theory) said as one who total tournament direction experience consists of a 3 player D-class field which had no match start on time and eventually ended with all three players forfeiting.

I prefer being in the same draw with everyone, every round. While my draw at DCC ain't been quite what I hoped for the last 3 or 4 years,{I'd like to play a couple of rounds, before I draw the Champions}, Can you imagine what would happen if you drew out nearly all the top players into 1 group of 100? Or 1 group that only had 3 or 4 top players, and a bunch of nobody's? Personally, I wanna be in the brackets with Efren, Jose, and every other player who shows up. They may have the odds on our match, but this tournament is the opportunity for the spectators to have a chance to play against, or on the table next to their favorite pro player.

 

[JoeyA]

Since the buy-backs seem to be one of the major sources of the delays and glitches, I don't understand why they just don't make the tournaments double elimination. That way everyone knows where everyone stands at all times.

I don't know how many players usually plan on playing only one round, and not buying back, but my guess is that there aren't that many. It would be much simpler to just charge $200 or $225 for a dbl elim, and let it play out. Surely most guys aren't going to balk at paying an extra $75, after having traveled all the way to the venue and paying the related expenses?

I'm probably missing something here. There must have been some reason why the DCC started the single elim/buy-back format to begin with. However, I'd rather see standard double eminiation events.

Doc

The double elimination format would allow those who are interested to know exactly how much money is being added in or not as well as making it easy to compare how much money is paid out.
JoeyA