The DP event in Louisiana........

Im sorry, I was apparently misinformed of my information. I know I wasnt the only one that was informed of that certain situation and the exact details I mentioned either. But Im glad Ray and Charlie stepped in and got everything clear. :thumbup:
 
Im sorry, I was apparently misinformed of my information. I know I wasnt the only one that was informed of that certain situation and the exact details I mentioned either. But Im glad Ray and Charlie stepped in and got everything clear. :thumbup:

If I didn't know any better I'd swear you were from north or I-10 :p
 
I think the bottom line is Ray's streams are so much better than all the others that he should charge a small fee for all of us to view. 10-15 dollars per weekend. We as pool fans should support his streams by paying a small fee for them. It would always amaze me when TAR used to have free streams on thursday and friday viewers were over 1000 and on saturday ppv veiwers were under 100. Tall about not supporting the sport that we all love.
 
Well it's obvious everyone on this forum wants free streaming.

I don't know Charlie but I think you're a missing the point here. A small pool hall owner is living on the financial edge. So I have strong feelings for their right to try and stay alive. They know the business far better than AZforum members.

The amount of money a local pool hall is going to see from worldwide exposure is a big fat zero. The pool owner lives and dies on those dollars that come in or don't come in if someone local stays home and watches a stream.

In all successful sports the broadcasters pay a fee for getting the right to cover an event. To this day Football and Baseball black out games that can affect the gate. If big sports think it's viable to do that why shouldn't the pool room owner. I think the pool room owner probably doesn't need to ask Ray for money but he certainly has every right to not have streaming. Ray would argue that a stream can bring more people down to watch. That's a very debatable point and why should the pool hall owner risk the few dollars he needs in hopes of breaking even or gawd forbid make a little money.
well said... for the room owner, Ray and Charlie it is their "job" and source of income. I also believe that all involved love the game and want to see the best for it.

Room owner - you said it best... streaming is more of a risk to his income than anything
Promoter, Charlie - is personally at risk for the up front promotional costs and is entitled to whatever additional income he can generate or in this case try to generate
Streamer, Ray - if the economics worked for him he would pay just like the major TV networks do to cover major events. If it becomes paid access, he needs to continue to build his advertisers and Big Truck viewers should patronize those that advertise with Ray

I love free live streaming... it is great for the pool fan. I contribute when I watch Ray because I want him to succeed & I still attend every event I can even if it is streamed.

Thanks to Ray for bringing high quality streaming to the web & thanks to Charlie & all the other tournament promoters since without them there would be nothing to stream.
 
So wait a minute. Does that mean Oldzilla had the facts wrong after calling me various names.

Well let me apologize then.
I'm sorry I had to tell people what you are like.
I'm sorry you can't read the thread before posting.
I'm sorry that caused you to say things that didn't make sense.
I'm sorry the things stated in this thread were not the real facts.
I'm sorry you don't realize I was trying to help.
I'm sorry I have to wait to give you some rep.
I'm sorry I looked into to this thread.
I'm sorry I might see you again !
 
Charlie and I did reach an agreement for me to be compensated for this show. I just never got any details before a sponsor stepped up and asked me to go to Mobile.

Since no details were worked out with DP, I told a sponsor I would go to Mobile. The Mobile event is not real supportive of the stream. I may just stay home and relax. :shocked:

We'll see.

Ray

ps. I think y'all should cut CW a little slack. He stays very busy promoting the sport and He is supporting pool in Louisiana by bringing some great pool to the region. Glad it's getting covered.
you are a class act Ray!
 
Well let me apologize then.
I'm sorry I had to tell people what you are like.
I'm sorry you can't read the thread before posting.
I'm sorry that caused you to say things that didn't make sense.
I'm sorry the things stated in this thread were not the real facts.
I'm sorry you don't realize I was trying to help.
I'm sorry I have to wait to give you some rep.
I'm sorry I looked into to this thread.
I'm sorry I might see you again !


I'm sorry you're not in a "home'' where you obviously belong. oh that's rude I'm sorry.

but earlier in this thread you did call me "Freaking Dumb", "Idiot", "No Sense At All'', and "Dumb'' again. And "Would get tagged out by a paraplegic". Well maybe that's true but I don't think I'd run at a disabled person. Oh and your friend called me moronic. Mr. Wilson thinks that's OK so it's OK with me, too. NOte i didn't use any similar terms while questioning your understanding of business. And then there's your little fact issues. Have a good day.
 
Are you and Oldzilla the same person?

Yes, we are. In fact, you will never know who or what is behind the curtain here at AzBilliards. It does seem like you are targeting Oldzilla on every thread these days, though. So I have decided to be JAM for a while. I'm getting sick of the cantankerous nature of your posts.
 
Yes, we are. In fact, you will never know who or what is behind the curtain here at AzBilliards. It does seem like you are targeting Oldzilla on every thread these days, though. So I have decided to be JAM for a while. I'm getting sick of the cantankerous nature of your posts.

Hello me, how am I !!!

Hehehehahahahoho , crazy or what? Thanks for noticing the bullseye on me , us . hmmmm whoever lol. later.

Isn't he just swell !
 
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Wow, did this train wreck or what?

From an owner perspective I'd ask the arm chair quarterbacks the pentultimate question:

- 3 businesses are involved and each makes decisions primarily based on 2 things: revenues and expenses. Do you even remotely know how to compile their line items to project profit/loss? I don't, and I've done a ton of Pro Formas. But not in these industries - so I am not qualified to judge, much less crucify, like some have here.

I think DP especially makes an easy target and gets people jumping all too fast. I'm glad DP and BigTruck posted (and did so quite professionally), else this train mighta been chew chewin outta control for some time.

Hang loose ya'll.
 
Yes, we are. In fact, you will never know who or what is behind the curtain here at AzBilliards. It does seem like you are targeting Oldzilla on every thread these days, though. So I have decided to be JAM for a while. I'm getting sick of the cantankerous nature of your posts.

And you think Oldzilla's posts are okay?

Wow.
 
And you think Oldzilla's posts are okay?

Wow.

Oldzilla's posts to me have been pleasant. I cannot say the same about the other gentleman. He seems upset sometimes. I'm not sure why he singled me out on this thread. I have tried to be civil to him on this forum, so much so that I at one time actually gave him greenies that I now regret. :)

Wow.
 
Oldzilla's posts to me have been pleasant. I cannot say the same about the other gentleman. He seems upset sometimes. I'm not sure why he singled me out on this thread. I have tried to be civil to him on this forum, so much so that I at one time actually gave him greenies that I now regret. :)

Wow.

You and I usually agree, but if you think Oldzilla's posts are pleasant (another wow from me), then we finally disagree! As you know, it's okay to disagree. How about we virtual high-five each other for finally disagreeing but also showing these guys we can still get along?!

:D
 
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And you think Oldzilla's posts are okay?

Wow.

Trig, Idk what you got agaist me. All I think I have done around here lately is defend myself from the slurs that come from Mlalum. It is not only here but in the chatrooms where he is so out of line he forces someone to ban him. Yes, sometimes me. Soon after the first time I banned him he was very quick to say I have banned him many times. Beleive me when I say you haven't seen all the bad things he has said to me in those chatrooms. I know he helped with HOH"s needs lately and I have seen a good side to him once in a while. But he won't let up on me. It is obvious to others in here and there too. It's hard to bite my tongue for ever. I have tried to let things go for a long time with him. He is the only one that I have a problem with.
I do not believe I have offened you and I wouldn't want to in any way. If I have I am sorry without knowing why or when.
 
It would always amaze me when TAR used to have free streams on thursday and friday viewers were over 1000 and on saturday ppv veiwers were under 100. Tall about not supporting the sport that we all love.

that always amazed me also. Everyone complains about there being no money in pool(players and spectators) but when some is asked to pay $10, or $15 everyone gets real tight. If some of these streamers could count on getting a few hundred paying views for major events I think you would see some changes in the industry.
 
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