The IPT "Hustler" The ture story
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The whole story is a sad one. You know, maybe pool needs better marketing, like NASCAR has. I just think it's a shame that somebody with the skill level in pool of Tony Stewart's skill with a race car cannot make a really nice living at the sport. It's really about audience building...how to get millions to tune in for a televised pool match. The problem is getting people to understand the game...Nascar & football are more easily understood by the casual viewer.
I honestly hope that everything works out for all concerned. Pool is still seen by many as a shady sport, which courts the criminal element. Every movie that I've seen, including COM(when Eddie doups Vincent) emphisizes it. Hustlers, gamblers. I hope someone puts out a movie that de-emphisizes this element of the game. Maybe an Efren bio. Poker has come a long way from it's humble beginnings that involved a gun on the table. We need someone like that for our game. I hope Trudeau hasn't tarnished this further. I know that there used to be a lot of league players and pool halls in my town. Now it's down to 4 actual rooms, 3 are more bar & grills than they are poolrooms any more, and have let the tables go. We used to have 6x12 snooker tables around here like cockroaches...now we're down to 2 in the whole city. People are leaving the leagues because certain teams are stacked and always win the trips. It is good that there is more educational material out there than ever, people can aquire reasonable skills in a short time, and the equipment is better than ever. I just hope someone does something to get pool back up to it's grandeur that is had in the 80's...Amen
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I'm a friend of the author and I would like to say awesome job and keep up the good work!!!!
incidentslip said:
I hope you mean the 1880's, because pool in the 1980's was no different than it is today...promoted and fueled by speculation, lies, and greedy organizers.
Twenty years ago it was Don Mackey, and his crazed stranglehold on the PBTA...which paid some prize money, and cheated players out of other money...but never backed up the claims it purported that were 'just over the horizon'!...not at all dissimilar to KT and the BS that he has spewed, for the past year or so. 
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee said:I hope you mean the 1880's, because pool in the 1980's was no different than it is today...promoted and fueled by speculation, lies, and greedy organizers.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott
1880's caught my attention. Scott, you know how small the little towns are that cross the state of Montana - blink and you miss them if you see them at all. Well I had to do some research for another matter. And stumbled across the fact the closest town to me (there is no such thing as a stop light in town) had a thriving POOL HALL in 1912 and lasted for quite awhile.
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incidentslip said:
Haha...you mean Cesar Morales?
You need to rethink that bio idea. To de-emphasize hustling with a bio on somebody who might have been one of the greatest hustlers, and IS one of the greatest money players (aka "gamblers") around is kind of like saying Bush is a representative of world peace.
belmicah said:
Umm...Efren was a hustler...right. That's why he only matched up with champions, and often gave them weight, and if it wasn't a champion he gave them TREMENDOUS weight. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
ok...ok but you get my point...he had humble beginnings but great talent to which we all aspire...just let's get poker off the sports channels...it ain't a sport...pool is!!!!!...can i get am amen!!!
hemicudas said:
1. There was absolutely nothing new in that article. It has all been hashed and re-hashed AD NAUSEUM.
2. Rodney Morris is participating the the next IPT Challenge match against Manalo on March 5th.
3. One of the MAIN reasons why pro pool has been unable to attract enough corporate sponsorship to create a viable pro tour in the U.S. is the association of many of the top players with such distasteful felons as Kevin Trudeau and certain other world famous event promoters...one of whom was released from jail to enable him to preside over a particularly major tournament.
4. All of the above just proves that P.T Barnum was right and that NONE of those electing to again be associated with Trudeau will have any right to complain WHEN they get screwed AGAIN!
Regards,
Jim
This is an old thread. 
Well, KT helped the sport in a way...but when he couldn't pay out what he had promised due to sponsorships falling through and trying to sell the IPT, he put himself in a corner. He tried to make things right by paying out a whopping 11% per month till every player was paid in full...which didn't go over so well with the players. Once the tour started to take a nose dive, the potential IPT buyers backed out. So now KT has yet again, promised his players that they will be paid and this year is going to be a good year for all of them.
There are players making 6 figures per year without the IPT, but the thought of making that much more is hard to pass up. He will either fulfill his promise to the players or go bankrupt.
The problem with the sport IMO, is it's too boring to watch unless you're a fan of the game. Take football and hockey for example, you don't have to be a fan to be entertained by watching. The Super Bowl is one of the most watched televised events on tv...because of a.) grown men beating the hell out of each other for 3 hours, b.) the halftime show - Tom Petty in tonight's, and c.) the funny commercials they come out with. Not to mention the cheerleaders. If we could figure out a way to make pool more exciting for people to watch, we might actually be able to do something with it.
There are players making 6 figures per year without the IPT, but the thought of making that much more is hard to pass up. He will either fulfill his promise to the players or go bankrupt.
The problem with the sport IMO, is it's too boring to watch unless you're a fan of the game. Take football and hockey for example, you don't have to be a fan to be entertained by watching. The Super Bowl is one of the most watched televised events on tv...because of a.) grown men beating the hell out of each other for 3 hours, b.) the halftime show - Tom Petty in tonight's, and c.) the funny commercials they come out with. Not to mention the cheerleaders. If we could figure out a way to make pool more exciting for people to watch, we might actually be able to do something with it.
I remember reading several articles regarding the IPT from several different pros and a lot of them had nothing but good things to say about the IPT even after the World Open and Payment debacle.
One article in particular was Corey Deuel who said something along the lines of the IPT giving hope to pool and that he doesnt mind getting paid in installmentsas long as the checks keep coming.
As for me, I dont know. The IPT was fun to follow and watch (if you could mute Sigel) during it's short time. The challenge matches we are all being treated too are certinaly interesting and have shown great pool. Do I want it to pick back up? Sure. Do I want the players to get screwed again? Hell no.
I am sure that if the IPT starts back up, the players will make sure something is going to be done about getting paid before they even enter a tournament. They are going to make sure the money is there before they play. At least I would hope so.
Another thing is Rodney Morris in this next challenge match. Rodney was one of the most skeptical of getting paid in full and the most worried it seemed, and rightly so. If I were in his shoes, I would have been sweating as well I am sure. But now with his inclusion in this latest challenge match, even hemust have some type of hope for the future of the IPT.
The way I see it. If the IPT gets going big again, we will have a lot of great tournaments to follow again and watch again. I remember sitting at work during the other tournaments and tracking everything going on in the North American Open online. I just hope it's not at the players sacrifices this time.
One article in particular was Corey Deuel who said something along the lines of the IPT giving hope to pool and that he doesnt mind getting paid in installmentsas long as the checks keep coming.
As for me, I dont know. The IPT was fun to follow and watch (if you could mute Sigel) during it's short time. The challenge matches we are all being treated too are certinaly interesting and have shown great pool. Do I want it to pick back up? Sure. Do I want the players to get screwed again? Hell no.
I am sure that if the IPT starts back up, the players will make sure something is going to be done about getting paid before they even enter a tournament. They are going to make sure the money is there before they play. At least I would hope so.
Another thing is Rodney Morris in this next challenge match. Rodney was one of the most skeptical of getting paid in full and the most worried it seemed, and rightly so. If I were in his shoes, I would have been sweating as well I am sure. But now with his inclusion in this latest challenge match, even hemust have some type of hope for the future of the IPT.
The way I see it. If the IPT gets going big again, we will have a lot of great tournaments to follow again and watch again. I remember sitting at work during the other tournaments and tracking everything going on in the North American Open online. I just hope it's not at the players sacrifices this time.
What?
Kevin Trudeau is going to scam the pool players?
Oh, come on! That's nonsense, you naysayers.
DON'T SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED ABOUT IT ADVANCE
Just remember, that when you deal with the Devil, you'll always get burned - and you'll always lose your soul.
Kevin Trudeau is going to scam the pool players?
Oh, come on! That's nonsense, you naysayers.
DON'T SAY YOU WEREN'T WARNED ABOUT IT ADVANCE
Just remember, that when you deal with the Devil, you'll always get burned - and you'll always lose your soul.
Blackjack said:
I just went back and read this thread about the IPT from way back in 2005. VERY INTERESTING to say the least.
'Blackjack' sounded the warning, 'Macguy' gave all the reasons why it wouldn't and couldn't work, and 'Vader' forecast the eventual outcome down to a T. These three guys were prophetic about the IPT and what could (and did) happen. Interesting also was the many people who tried to shout them down and call them doomsayers and such.
I won't mention their names, the big supporters of KT and the IPT. But they're on there, praising him to the heavens, the "savior" of pool. Ah, those were the days my friends. Those were the days.
Back then, I was still on the sidelines reading and watching, trying to figure who KT was and what he was up to. For me the jury was still out, although I had my reservations. Within a few months, I found out all I needed to know about KT, his little munchkin Deno and the IPT. "Bad to the Bone" is the how I would sum it up.
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Rodney Morris participating in the IPT challenge match is a conformation that what I am trying to convey is obviously the feelings not only shared by him but many other players as well.
In a previous post I stated my opinion toward the people that knocked Trudeau ,describing him as a sheister,and a con man,and that the players should never support him again,and if they did they were fools. My response was that the people that stated their bias opinions have nothing at stake as the players do. They lose nothing ,and most of them have lost nothing. We the players should be given the opportunity to make our own decisions on this obviosly clouded delemma that we face without people distorting our ability to make an intellegent decision.
That is my sentiment as well,I have spoken in behalf of many players several times on this forum supporting the IPT as a vehicle to get to the next level. I never have supported Trudeau as a person because I dont believe a lot of the things he does is right,nevertheless I will not, along with many players allow Trudeau's business tactics to deter us from supporting the IPT or for that matter any promoter that can advance the players and the game to get the recognition that we feel we deserve and need.Icon of Sin said:
Rodney Morris participating in the IPT challenge match is a conformation that what I am trying to convey is obviously the feelings not only shared by him but many other players as well.
In a previous post I stated my opinion toward the people that knocked Trudeau ,describing him as a sheister,and a con man,and that the players should never support him again,and if they did they were fools. My response was that the people that stated their bias opinions have nothing at stake as the players do. They lose nothing ,and most of them have lost nothing. We the players should be given the opportunity to make our own decisions on this obviosly clouded delemma that we face without people distorting our ability to make an intellegent decision.
jay helfert said:
Jay,
When I go back and read all that stuff, I find it very difficult to feel sorry for anybody that sat there in Reno waiting for their check.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but foresight is a gift earned by being down that road before and learning from your mistakes. I've learned that some people will be guided by common sense and other will be guided by their impulses, but the guy offering the promises always uses the same BS jargon to reel you in - every single time.
I just remember so many people hoping and praying for it to be what it wasn't. That was hard to watch and definitely hard to listen to.