The Real Doping Problem In Sport: Billiards
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Thanks for the post Todd. Really had to kind of laugh though.TX Poolnut said:
I'm wondering which group was tested and where? These tests hold little credibility with me unless the resluts are posted. All kinds of daily usage can show up as drug use and so forth.
I'm reminded of what Fats told the Grand Jury years ago after the raid on Johnston City. Fats said " Judge, if you were to drug test all these broke pool players, you would find that they are 80% hot dog and 20% coffee."
What about musicians, they carry the same hours as pool players, allot are probably in good shape, especially the drummers, I consider athleticism an important factor playing and singing all night long.
It makes me wonder why this report was even put together, whats the point?
It makes me wonder why this report was even put together, whats the point?
Better Pool Through Chemistry
Hey, at least we're #1 at something. "Ah, Better pool through chemistry" I used to say when I'd see someone on the stuff.
All kidding aside:
Where did they get these figures from? Maybe when pool was tried a few years ago as a test sport for the Olympics.
I was surprised I didn't see alcohol listed in the report. If they did, they wouldn't be able to field one full team at the BCA or APA nationals or any major tournament.
Years ago, when long sessions were the norm for serious players, it was very difficult to play someone after 8-10 or more hours who was running off to the bathroom every 20 minutes. The later is got, my focus would slip and the more erractic the other player's behavior would become. Not a healthy combination.
Since I always played on the natch, I learned early on to name a set time to end play no matter who was ahead. Go get some rest and agree to play some more the next day. Yeah, I was called a wimp, but in harsher terms, but I'm still playing today and some of the players I played back then are in jail, dead or brain damaged today. Saw one a few months ago standing on a street corner with a sign, "Will work for food". Lost his family, home and business long ago to drugs just to prove he was a man that could go the distance. Well, he's got a long distance to walk now back to that half way house.
Anyone who thinks this will help them in the long run needs their head examined.
Hey, at least we're #1 at something. "Ah, Better pool through chemistry" I used to say when I'd see someone on the stuff.
All kidding aside:
Where did they get these figures from? Maybe when pool was tried a few years ago as a test sport for the Olympics.
I was surprised I didn't see alcohol listed in the report. If they did, they wouldn't be able to field one full team at the BCA or APA nationals or any major tournament.
Years ago, when long sessions were the norm for serious players, it was very difficult to play someone after 8-10 or more hours who was running off to the bathroom every 20 minutes. The later is got, my focus would slip and the more erractic the other player's behavior would become. Not a healthy combination.
Since I always played on the natch, I learned early on to name a set time to end play no matter who was ahead. Go get some rest and agree to play some more the next day. Yeah, I was called a wimp, but in harsher terms, but I'm still playing today and some of the players I played back then are in jail, dead or brain damaged today. Saw one a few months ago standing on a street corner with a sign, "Will work for food". Lost his family, home and business long ago to drugs just to prove he was a man that could go the distance. Well, he's got a long distance to walk now back to that half way house.
Anyone who thinks this will help them in the long run needs their head examined.
Drug use in all other sports is just as high or higher. Roids and blood doping is extemely easy to hide. I would say half or more of pro and college athletes take illegal performance enhancers but will never be caught.
Lance Armstrong is as dirty as a curb side crack addict. Sorry lance fans thats the truth.
Lance Armstrong is as dirty as a curb side crack addict. Sorry lance fans thats the truth.
Total crap
This article is garbage. It treats this "report" as if it were some type of study and it's not. Just take a look at the fine print in the report:
Quote: * "Adverse Analytical Finding" is defined in the World Anti-Doping Code as "a report from a laboratory or approved Testing entity that identifies in a Specimen the presence of a Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers (including elevated quantities of endogenous substances) or evidence of the Use of a Prohibited Method". These figures may not be identical to sanctioned cases, as the figures given in this
report may contain findings that underwent the Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) approval process. In addition, some Adverse Analytical Findings may correspond to multiple measurements performed on the same athlete, such as in cases of longitudinal studies on testosterone.
So let's see, basically they are including results from every test whether it was the same person or not and they are including adverse results for substances that the person being tested may have had permission for or that may be otherwise permissable.
One of the prohibited substances is Ephedrine, commonly used cold medicine. I'm kind of thinking this isn't a billiards performance enhancing drug, unless you really have a cold.
This report, in my opinion, deliberately included all possible aspects of findings to make drug use look as rampant as possible in all areas of sports to help justify WADA's existence. "Adverse analytical finding" in this report is not the same as testing positive for illegal drug use.
Now the author of this garbage. She writes:
Billiards players: What on earth are you taking? And why?
Probably "something to calm their nerves so they have better aim or grasp," said James Roach of the WADA. (I’m still waiting for a response from the Belgium-based World Confederation of Billiard Sports.)
This implies that an interview with WADA was conducted and the question was asked as to what all the "Adverse Analytical Findings" were in regards to Billiards, and this James Roach guy answers with a guess!
It's "probably" something to calm their nerves etc.? He doesn't know. That's the real answer to the question, but the author decides to ignore reality and highlight the guess anyway.
Crap journalism plus a crappy "all inclusive" report by the WADA equals an insult and a complete waste of everyones time.
This article is garbage. It treats this "report" as if it were some type of study and it's not. Just take a look at the fine print in the report:
Quote: * "Adverse Analytical Finding" is defined in the World Anti-Doping Code as "a report from a laboratory or approved Testing entity that identifies in a Specimen the presence of a Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers (including elevated quantities of endogenous substances) or evidence of the Use of a Prohibited Method". These figures may not be identical to sanctioned cases, as the figures given in this
report may contain findings that underwent the Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) approval process. In addition, some Adverse Analytical Findings may correspond to multiple measurements performed on the same athlete, such as in cases of longitudinal studies on testosterone.
So let's see, basically they are including results from every test whether it was the same person or not and they are including adverse results for substances that the person being tested may have had permission for or that may be otherwise permissable.
One of the prohibited substances is Ephedrine, commonly used cold medicine. I'm kind of thinking this isn't a billiards performance enhancing drug, unless you really have a cold.
This report, in my opinion, deliberately included all possible aspects of findings to make drug use look as rampant as possible in all areas of sports to help justify WADA's existence. "Adverse analytical finding" in this report is not the same as testing positive for illegal drug use.
Now the author of this garbage. She writes:
Billiards players: What on earth are you taking? And why?
Probably "something to calm their nerves so they have better aim or grasp," said James Roach of the WADA. (I’m still waiting for a response from the Belgium-based World Confederation of Billiard Sports.)
This implies that an interview with WADA was conducted and the question was asked as to what all the "Adverse Analytical Findings" were in regards to Billiards, and this James Roach guy answers with a guess!
It's "probably" something to calm their nerves etc.? He doesn't know. That's the real answer to the question, but the author decides to ignore reality and highlight the guess anyway.Crap journalism plus a crappy "all inclusive" report by the WADA equals an insult and a complete waste of everyones time.
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I agree, a crap report and and equally useless article based on it.Da Poet said:
World Anti-Doping Association sounds like a subdivision of the New World Order to me.
Colin
After reading Da Poet and Colin"s response, I concur. These are not the old days!!!!!!
I can't remember seeing a player hyped up in about the last 10 years which goes to show I'm getting old or times are changing for this sport.
Maybe this shows that pool has raised itself from the underbelly of scciety's stigmata from its dark past to a truely professional sport! The only problem is to convince the rest of the world!
The IPT was the first glimmer of this dream and as we all know the verdict is still out on that at this point.
I hope and have faith that this will happen within my life time.
I can't remember seeing a player hyped up in about the last 10 years which goes to show I'm getting old or times are changing for this sport.
Maybe this shows that pool has raised itself from the underbelly of scciety's stigmata from its dark past to a truely professional sport! The only problem is to convince the rest of the world!
The IPT was the first glimmer of this dream and as we all know the verdict is still out on that at this point.
I hope and have faith that this will happen within my life time.
TX Poolnut said:
I knew those French lovelies had to be using. Look at their statistics as compared to the U.S.A.
It is obvious that this type of finding will only increase drug use in participants of sports. Since this will result in an increase in drug use, why don't they just come out and say what kind of drugs each sport was using? It would save the experimenters from taking multiple drugs in search of the holy grail.
Thanks Todd.
JoeyA
TX Poolnut said:
I wrote em and told em how I felt, we all should. Its like someone needs attention and their peon mind gets 'off' on making this BS public.