most of you out there have no clue why the dates for the next ipt event "the masters" has been changed. the real reason is this, the ratings for the world championship with jon jones and sigel hit record highs!!!!!!!!!! fox sports net never had such an increase in it's history!!!!!!!!! this is in effect causing all sorts of good comotion over at the itp HQ they now have to scramble to accomadate the "timing" of the television auidence's, that is the only reason why the dates have been moved. as mr. trudeau said at the meeting "now everyone wants the ipt at their venue"
The Real Reason For New "master's Dates
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8-ball bernie said:
That is just not true. Boxing has given them the biggest boosts for the BDSSP over 100% increase in ratings at times and I seriously doubt the pool thing beat the world series. The BDSSP only pulls about a .4 or less most of the time. I listened to the BS on the CD as well. KT can really shovel it when he gets started. I remember reading the psychiatrists report on Kevin from the court and it said he can't even tell the difference between a lie and the truth because he believes what he is saying no matter how ridiculous it is.
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macguy said:
Just wanted to point out that Fox Sports Net and Fox are not the same. Fox is a major network that pays hundreds of millions to have things like NFL football and the World Series in its lineup. Fox Sports Net is a cable channel owned by Fox, and though it does carry some National Hockey League games, it should not be confused for the major network.
sjm said:
I realize that, but on the CD Kevin goes on and on how the ratings were so big it was unrepresented and has gotten world wide attention. What a bunch of crap. I doubt the pool thing did even as well as the poker show they are doing now on FSN every week. Listen to the CD more then once and it sounds like an Amway meeting he is so prone to exaggeration and hyperbole it is ridiculous. I love when he likes to drop the names of people. He says he got a seven figure fee for the Masters of business tour. If you look that thing up it was in 1999 and he was just one of the side acts on the bill. That was when he was hustling his memory program. Most likely he paid them for the gig , there was also a singer and a guy who did impressions on the same bill.
He likes to use the phrase "Doesn't have two nickels to rub to together". that would actually describe him most of his life. He has made money over the years but unfortunately it went as quickly as it came and as recently as two years ago he was on his ass again unable to pay a judgment and having to surrender property an automobile as well as some jewelry to cover it. The current book thing has probably been his biggest and most successful venture to date if he doesn't screw it up like he has everything else in the past. When you listen to that CD and realize who is doing the talking you almost have to laugh what he is saying is so ridicules.
I can just see him sitting there with his pencil saying, "Lets see 100 tournaments and 100 players each paying $1000. each to play, heck that's $10,000,000. I think we will do that". His plan is so far fetched only a wacko like him could have come up with it. He thinks thousands of players world wide are going to spend money traveling pay $1000 each to play in tournaments to try to qualify for the 50 spots in the IPT. He thinks corporations are going to pay players $25,000 to $40,000 appearance fees to come to their functions, the guy is nuts. One thing though, he will piss away money on IPT trying to make a go of it, because he has a history of irrational wasting of money and this sounds like his latest effort to lose his current fortune. Better hope that book keeps selling. He is building a cult following though from many of the pool players, you can hear it in their posts. He has impressed them with his BS and his wealth, but he is no genius, just a hard working hustler. I wasn't actually going to comment any more on the subject till I heard the CD and could not believe what I heard, this guy is on another planet.
Something KT mentioned which you did not hear much of in that address was that people in the TV business pay a lot of attention to the relative ratings, not the absolute ratings.macguy said:
That is, a program that boosts any particular time slot by a significant proportion is seen as a big success and becomes targeted for larger broadcasting channels.
Finally...
I love KT for spending money on pool, though I don't think he'll go broke with it(by his own words he can lose a million dollars or whatever on each of his "projects" and still be able to run those projects for years and years over and over because he has so much((mostly from book))).
But I agree that he is partially crazy and believes all his stuff, whether its true or not. At least he is trying and pumping money into pool to make it a real sport in the eyes of public, no matter his mindset.
I say let him roll with it...
I love KT for spending money on pool, though I don't think he'll go broke with it(by his own words he can lose a million dollars or whatever on each of his "projects" and still be able to run those projects for years and years over and over because he has so much((mostly from book))).
But I agree that he is partially crazy and believes all his stuff, whether its true or not. At least he is trying and pumping money into pool to make it a real sport in the eyes of public, no matter his mindset.
I say let him roll with it...
Is MacGuy on a crusade to save poor, unintelligent pool players?
Did he fail at Amway and that is why he knows what goes on in their meetings?
Pool players are, for the most part, 3x7 and are quite capable of thinking for themselves.
And I believe it is 25 tournaments, two people from each, to fill the 50 vacancies at the end of 2006.
If a person really believes he is good at pool then why shouldn't he invest $1,000 to try and get on the IPT where he will be guaranteed to earn $100,000 during 2007. From what I hear, people at that level will play $500 a game 9-ball so $1,000 is not unreasonable. And of course it is not like you have to beat, or even be better than, everyone in the qualifier. Just the 8 or 9 that you play. With the right draw you may never have to face the really top players. And if you are really a top player then there shouldn't be two players in the field who are better than you. Isn't that the way all top players think?
If any of the 43 IPT card carrying (and that should become a rare collectible in the future) pros read these posts I am sure they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Jake
Did he fail at Amway and that is why he knows what goes on in their meetings?
Pool players are, for the most part, 3x7 and are quite capable of thinking for themselves.
And I believe it is 25 tournaments, two people from each, to fill the 50 vacancies at the end of 2006.
If a person really believes he is good at pool then why shouldn't he invest $1,000 to try and get on the IPT where he will be guaranteed to earn $100,000 during 2007. From what I hear, people at that level will play $500 a game 9-ball so $1,000 is not unreasonable. And of course it is not like you have to beat, or even be better than, everyone in the qualifier. Just the 8 or 9 that you play. With the right draw you may never have to face the really top players. And if you are really a top player then there shouldn't be two players in the field who are better than you. Isn't that the way all top players think?
If any of the 43 IPT card carrying (and that should become a rare collectible in the future) pros read these posts I am sure they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Jake
Still more sour grapes?
The guy has been doing a great job and delivering what he promised.
What else will people find to complain about?
Not enough money????
The guy has been doing a great job and delivering what he promised.
What else will people find to complain about?
Not enough money????
Gabber
Banned
If there was a Q tourney with the top unknowns from all over the world, do you think Rackm, Bernie, Colin etc would have a chance? [ cant wait to see Bernie play
] Would they be willing to put up a grand against the top players in a straight tourney?
If the IPT program works, you will see a great change in who is at the top in the pool world.
Gabber
What do you want KT to say? That the tournament is a flop! That the ratings are worse than anyone predicted. So what if he is full of it. Look at Minn Fats. He was so full of it and everyone knew it except for the general public that thought he was actully telling the truth and was the greatest player ever. If Fats were still alive and both him and Reyes were doing a pool event at 2 different places in the same city who would draw more? I think a few hard core players would watch Reyes whereas Fats would pack the house.
If pool is to succeed and become mainstream it will have to reach out to the general public and not just the players. Sad as it is the masses love BS. Look at all the successful shows on TV. All BS. All the morning and daytime stuff is complete BS but the masses love it. The deeper the better.
If pool is to succeed and become mainstream it will have to reach out to the general public and not just the players. Sad as it is the masses love BS. Look at all the successful shows on TV. All BS. All the morning and daytime stuff is complete BS but the masses love it. The deeper the better.
Actually, they are already in the tournament and will be competing against the best in the world so they don't have to worry about qualifying. I suspect the IPT is a much tougher field than any qualifier. Who knows, maybe the people you mention will prove to be some of the best in the world. To succeed in 2006 they have to finish 100 or higher.
It should prove interesting.
I still can't believe that Strickland didn't get past round 1. It just shows that they all have a chance. And if they manage to finish 30th in any tournament during 2006 they probably will win more than they have won totally in the past two years in tournament play.
Hell, I never heard of Manalo until just recently and look how well he did. There was nothing magical about his play. He just consistently made the balls he shot at and got position on the next one. Something that all top players can do.
Time will tell.
Jake
It should prove interesting.
I still can't believe that Strickland didn't get past round 1. It just shows that they all have a chance. And if they manage to finish 30th in any tournament during 2006 they probably will win more than they have won totally in the past two years in tournament play.
Hell, I never heard of Manalo until just recently and look how well he did. There was nothing magical about his play. He just consistently made the balls he shot at and got position on the next one. Something that all top players can do.
Time will tell.
Jake
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I'll let my cue do the talking regarding my chances, but on the 2nd question, yes I would have put up a grand for a chance like this. I flew to Tokyo for the 800k event in 2001, which cost over 2k in expenses and I'd hardly played 9-ball before that and didn't even own a US style pool cue when I entered.Gabber said:If there was a Q tourney with the top unknowns from all over the world, do you think Rackm, Bernie, Colin etc would have a chance? [ cant wait to see Bernie play
Would they be willing to put up a grand against the top players in a straight tourney?
If the IPT program works, you will see a great change in who is at the top in the pool world.
Gabber
8-ball bernie said:
OK, I'm a bit confused :
1 - the Sigel-Jones match was broadcast many times if I understand correctly, did ALL of those purchased slots 'hit record ratings' ?
2 - the broadcasts are not live, so the tournament dates should not affect the broadcast dates, allowing the accomodation of the TV audience without changing the tournament dates.
Dave
On 1. the ratings comparison figure mentioned was just for the Best Damn Sports Show airing, which I believe provides the most reliable indication and largest audience. It's a reliable benchmark.DaveK said:
On 2. There are a couple of possibilities I can think of that are reasonable causes for the delay. These are that negotiations are probably in place to assertain high exposure broadcasting agreements and these need to be completed in order to obtain some level of sponsorship from a venue.
Just my guess.
macguy said:
Interesting observation. Is being a visionary the same as being a liar? I've asked myself this question many, many times in the last 20 years and haven't really come up with a good answer.
If you create a vision for a wanted future, then what? Is that enough by itself? Or do you have to start/keep selling the vision to others, who may not hold it yet? And how do you "predict" the future without sometimes being wrong and therefore being labeled a "liar" or mentally unfit? Do you just predict the obvious? Well that'll get you nowhere fast, even if others now see you as not crazy.
If you set a vision that seems impossible and try to get others to buy into it, what do you say to them? I think you must paint the picture that's in your mind, no matter how far-fetched it MAY seem to SOME and knowing it is not yet real. What other way is there to manifest a vision so big?
It's December and I'm working on my calendar for 2006...am I lying to myself as I'm making plans for 2006? I know for a fact that all I plan will NOT come true. Or am I hoping, for lack of a better term, to acheive these plans and I'm simply using projection to help me create the tasks and thoughts to do them? If I affirm something as true in my mind that isn't YET true in the physical world, am I a liar? Or just a unrealistic dreamer? Or, am I being wise and noble and HONEST by involving myself in a workable process to improve the lives of others and myself?
Comments appreciated,
Jeff Livingston
jjinfla said:
I think Amway did $4-5 BILLION in sales last year. We wouldn't want to follow that kind of success, would we?
Oh. and what about the annual Amway pool tourney in Asia?
One more thing, Amway is one of my competitors, but by gawd, they know a hell of a lot about building businesses. If, as Macguy say, Kevin sounds like he's speaking at one of their meetings, I say "good!", keep talking like that...the anti-business pool world desperately needs it.
Jeff Livingston