All 10b i think. Shows how big of advantage Shane's 10b break. Worth 20 games.
THE REMATCH of the "Greatest Match in Pool History"-SVB vs Orcollo (Fri-Sun 18-20 June2021) Race to 120 /9Ball
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I think the most interesting outcome of these two matches is that in both cases SVB had leads around 15-20 games and he lost both times.
What does that tell us?
What does that tell us?
Yes, in 2013 they played a 10-Ball race to 100 that SVB won 100-81. Dennis outscored Shane by 5 games on Day 3, but he was so far behind after Day 2 that he still lost by 19.
They also played another TAR match, in 2012, that Dennis won, but it was an all-around with 8-Ball (SVB 15-11), One-Pocket (DO 7-4), and 10-Ball (DO 25-23).
First, it tells us that there's no quit in Dennis. Well done! At long last, this long-time rivalry has started to swing in Dennis' favor. Is Dennis playing the best rotation pool of his life? We'll find out soon at the US Open 9-ball in September and the International 9-ball in October, which are just around the corner.
Second, it tells us that the event producers know how to stage an event. Congratulations to all who delivered this match on a job well done
Third, it tells us that rack your own with a template on what Spartan deemed a loose table is going to create some long trips to the chair in any match involving two of the elite. There is no doubt that a) Shane is more vulnerable on looser equipment, as we saw at the 2021 World Pool Championship, where he lost in the round of sixteen, and b) Shane is more dangerous when the equipment is tight, as we saw for years on the TAR table, and as we saw at the 2021 World Pool Masters, where he was the runner-up.
Fourth, it tells us that in conditions that permit a greater than 95% success rate on the break, Shane's customary breaking advantage, on which he has always made his living, is diminished. Four dry breaks in the first 179 racks of the match --- are you kidding me? I thought you had to play the ghost to be assured of continuing to shoot after every break --- so what do I know?
Certainly, this was a level playing field, so all the credit to Dennis, but for me personally, rack your own on loose tables is retro pool. It's not a sufficient test of elite players, but that's just one man's opinion. I highly doubt this is the kind of pool that will prepare either Shane or Dennis for success at the upcoming US Open 9-ball and International 9-ball, both of which will have neutral rackers on the stream table, but I'd be happy to see them prove me wrong. No doubt, others with well informed opinions will see this differently and I respect that.
Wishing the best of luck going forward to these truly elite players.
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Shane lost his ability to string the 2 and 3 packs together on Day 3....is there a breakdown available of the number of 2 and 3 packs out there? With that final score I think its safe to say that 10 pack was critical for Dennis, gave him supreme confidence on Day 3. I thought it was great. With that said...I think SVB will bounce back vs Sky on the small track. Can't see him losing 3 long races in a row
Yes, those stats and many others are now available here: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...-boening-9-ball-race-to-120-june-2021.531977/
Right. Dennis was 54% B&R on his breaks and Shane was 49%.
[My B&R counts and most other stats are a bit different from those of Digital Pool.]
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Yeah, first dry break was rack #156. But they went crazy on Day 3 with 6 of them (including one that was also fouled and dry -- a breaking-failure triple!).
Earlier today when I asked him about what cue and shaft he used, we also discussed the Diamond table. He said it was an easy table and that was the way Shane wanted it. I then asked him to compare it with my Diamond and he said they were 4.5" pockets, a lot easier than the 4.25" pockets on my table. I guess a quarter of an inch larger pocket opening is a huge difference for these guys.
So, what cue and shaft did he use?
See post #49 in the thread about Dennis' ten pack.