The SLEEPER- Lawson

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The SLEEPER- Bill Lawson

Lawson was the man's last name. I forget his first name. Lawson was also called The Sleeper and he was a hustler back in the 50's & 60's. He would stumble around like he was drunk, playing pool with a house cue and won virtually every time he got to the table.

Does anyone remember this man?

I was told this story by someone else and it sounded interesting even though I had never met the man.
 
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could it have been Bill Lawson? he was before my times but ive heard he was a great player here in North Carolina That time frame wouldve been about right for his age. I've been around pool for 20 yrs and he was finished then never got to see him play only heard stories. Supposedly had a tremendous break maybe even taught Billy Johnson how to break but dont quote me on that. From what i've heard also he may not have been acting out the drunk part i think fond of the bottle.
 
Lawson was the man's last name. I forget his first name. Lawson was also called The Sleeper and he was a hustler back in the 50's & 60's. He would stumble around like he was drunk, playing pool with a house cue and won virtually every time he got to the table.

Does anyone remember this man?

I was told this story by someone else and it sounded interesting even though I had never met the man.

I met him when I was younger, but didn't know much about who's who in pool at the time.

It was at the old Baker's pool room in Greensboro, NC. Seattle Sam and Calhoun were in the house as well.

The thing I remember the most, though, about that time was how grown men would crawl up on the table on all fours to make a reach shot. It was really quite a sight to behold, especially with stocky men like Seattle Sam. I actually was in disbelief as I looked around the to see if anybody else was shocked at this activity, but the other railbirds didn't seem to have a change of expression on their faces when this happened. Me, my eyes were like saucers. :grin-square:

According to Terry Curtis, Bill Lawson passed away around 1986 in his late 50's. He died penniless -- but he died knowing he was the best at something.

Here's a great read about the legend of Bill Lawson by Terry Curtis aka BluesShak:

In the 1960's there were five pool rooms in downtown Winston-Salem. Pool was so popular with the RJ Reynolds Tobacco workers that a law was passed stating there would be no pool games in the city limits after 11pm. That was so the third shift workers would go to work. You could tell which room Bill was in by listening for the sound of his break. WHACK!!!!! the cueball would hit the one ball so hard that you would think surely the cueball or oneball had broken in two.

Bill didn't look the part. He didn't look like a world class 9-ball player. In fact he didn't look like much of anything except maybe a wino with his old tattered sports coat on, his uncombed hair, and that week-old stubble on his chin that he somehow managed to always have. He stood about six feet tall but had the long torso of someone six-four or six-five. That's about all anyone noticed about Bill, unless you were (like me) someone who had spent countless hours playing pool and watching hustlers play the game. I saw something magical when he bent over a pool table and wrapped those huge hands and very long fingers around a pool cue. He never went one-rail to get pretty good position on the next ball -- he would go 5 rails and get perfect position.

I only met Bill a couple of years before he passed away. At that time it had been 2 or 3 years since he had played in (and won) a major tournament. This was 1982 and Bill had long since left the road and returned home to Winston-Salem. His health was poor and he didn't have a nickel to his name, but he could still play pool at a level that made us all stop and watch when he would practice a little bit. I say practice - but Bill Lawson never practised. There was no reason to practice - he was a master of the art.

I had heard that road players, when going up and down the east coast from Boston and New York to Florida and Texas, would take a wide detour around the Winston-Salem / Greensboro area. They didn't want to risk losing their bankroll to Bill Lawson. I witnessed the truth in this when one slow evening a couple of black guys walked in carrying their personal cues. One of them I recognised - a local player with just average ability. The very tall guy with him was a stranger - but after I played him a few games for $5.00, I could tell he was laying down. That is - he was playing well below his ability in an effort to get me to raise the bet.

He let me win a few games and then started his spiel about betting more. I told him he could win it back the same way I won it - $5.00 at a time. He knew I was on to him. At this point he wanted to know if there was anyone around town that would bet big. He didn't care who they were - he "just wanted to gamble big time". Sure I replied. I'll get someone here to play you! I called Bill at his boarding house and told him the deal. He said "Curtis, I don't have any money and no way to get there." Well get a cab, get here, and don't worry about the money. A friend of mine and I agreed to put up $200.00 for Bill to play with. Twenty minutes later Bill walked in the door - and the tall black guy said "Damn - I didn't say I'd play a damn world champion." The tall stranger it turns out was none other than Willie Munson. Willie was a pro himself and had recently won the US Open in Norfolk. He wanted no part of Irving "Bill" Lawson.

Bill couldn't drive himself to the pool room because he reportedly had never owned a car or for that matter never had a driver's license. There was always a backer who would drive him around the country from pool room to pool room. The tournament circuit in those days did not have purses high enough to encourage many men to turn pro. They could make a lot more money by traveling the country and stopping in every town, large and small, they all had pool rooms. They also would have a local champion who was always foolish enough to take on all comers.

Bill was very humble. He would never brag about his winnings, but when we were able to drag a story out of him they were always utterly amazing. He told us about the time he was in a small Georgia town for a couple of days beating the local players until he finally got the chance to play and beat the local champion out of around $2000.00. Bill then promptly got on a bus and and headed out of town with his winnings. After a few miles a sheriff's car pulled the bus over. They took Bill off the bus, took all of his winnings, and threw him in jail for a night.

Billy Johnson (or as he sometimes went by "Wade Crane") came to my poolroom one weekend just to get Bill Lawson to teach him how to break a rack of nine-ball. Billy was already a well-known pro at that time.

Bill Lawson passed away around 1986 in his late 50's. He died penniless -- but he died knowing he was the best at something.
 
Dammit. Lawson is the software we use at work and it blows!

Back to your regularly secheduled progrmming...
 
I met him when I was younger, but didn't know much about who's who in pool at the time.

It was at the old Baker's pool room in Greensboro, NC. Seattle Sam and Calhoun were in the house as well.

The thing I remember the most, though, about that time was how grown men would crawl up on the table on all fours to make a reach shot. It was really quite a sight to behold, especially with stocky men like Seattle Sam. I actually was in disbelief as I looked around the to see if anybody else was shocked at this activity, but the other railbirds didn't seem to have a change of expression on their faces when this happened. Me, my eyes were like saucers. :grin-square:

According to Terry Curtis, Bill Lawson passed away around 1986 in his late 50's. He died penniless -- but he died knowing he was the best at something.

Here's a great read about the legend of Bill Lawson by Terry Curtis aka BluesShak:

In the 1960's there were five pool rooms in downtown Winston-Salem. Pool was so popular with the RJ Reynolds Tobacco workers that a law was passed stating there would be no pool games in the city limits after 11pm. That was so the third shift workers would go to work. You could tell which room Bill was in by listening for the sound of his break. WHACK!!!!! the cueball would hit the one ball so hard that you would think surely the cueball or oneball had broken in two.

Bill didn't look the part. He didn't look like a world class 9-ball player. In fact he didn't look like much of anything except maybe a wino with his old tattered sports coat on, his uncombed hair, and that week-old stubble on his chin that he somehow managed to always have. He stood about six feet tall but had the long torso of someone six-four or six-five. That's about all anyone noticed about Bill, unless you were (like me) someone who had spent countless hours playing pool and watching hustlers play the game. I saw something magical when he bent over a pool table and wrapped those huge hands and very long fingers around a pool cue. He never went one-rail to get pretty good position on the next ball -- he would go 5 rails and get perfect position.

I only met Bill a couple of years before he passed away. At that time it had been 2 or 3 years since he had played in (and won) a major tournament. This was 1982 and Bill had long since left the road and returned home to Winston-Salem. His health was poor and he didn't have a nickel to his name, but he could still play pool at a level that made us all stop and watch when he would practice a little bit. I say practice - but Bill Lawson never practised. There was no reason to practice - he was a master of the art.

I had heard that road players, when going up and down the east coast from Boston and New York to Florida and Texas, would take a wide detour around the Winston-Salem / Greensboro area. They didn't want to risk losing their bankroll to Bill Lawson. I witnessed the truth in this when one slow evening a couple of black guys walked in carrying their personal cues. One of them I recognised - a local player with just average ability. The very tall guy with him was a stranger - but after I played him a few games for $5.00, I could tell he was laying down. That is - he was playing well below his ability in an effort to get me to raise the bet.

He let me win a few games and then started his spiel about betting more. I told him he could win it back the same way I won it - $5.00 at a time. He knew I was on to him. At this point he wanted to know if there was anyone around town that would bet big. He didn't care who they were - he "just wanted to gamble big time". Sure I replied. I'll get someone here to play you! I called Bill at his boarding house and told him the deal. He said "Curtis, I don't have any money and no way to get there." Well get a cab, get here, and don't worry about the money. A friend of mine and I agreed to put up $200.00 for Bill to play with. Twenty minutes later Bill walked in the door - and the tall black guy said "Damn - I didn't say I'd play a damn world champion." The tall stranger it turns out was none other than Willie Munson. Willie was a pro himself and had recently won the US Open in Norfolk. He wanted no part of Irving "Bill" Lawson.

Bill couldn't drive himself to the pool room because he reportedly had never owned a car or for that matter never had a driver's license. There was always a backer who would drive him around the country from pool room to pool room. The tournament circuit in those days did not have purses high enough to encourage many men to turn pro. They could make a lot more money by traveling the country and stopping in every town, large and small, they all had pool rooms. They also would have a local champion who was always foolish enough to take on all comers.

Bill was very humble. He would never brag about his winnings, but when we were able to drag a story out of him they were always utterly amazing. He told us about the time he was in a small Georgia town for a couple of days beating the local players until he finally got the chance to play and beat the local champion out of around $2000.00. Bill then promptly got on a bus and and headed out of town with his winnings. After a few miles a sheriff's car pulled the bus over. They took Bill off the bus, took all of his winnings, and threw him in jail for a night.

Billy Johnson (or as he sometimes went by "Wade Crane") came to my poolroom one weekend just to get Bill Lawson to teach him how to break a rack of nine-ball. Billy was already a well-known pro at that time.

Bill Lawson passed away around 1986 in his late 50's. He died penniless -- but he died knowing he was the best at something.

Thanks to you and Wiggins for the bio on Bill Lawson. This will make my buddy really happy.
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I believe collectively we could build a rocket ship; well maybe a wooden bathtub boat. :grin:
 
could it have been Bill Lawson? he was before my times but ive heard he was a great player here in North Carolina That time frame wouldve been about right for his age. I've been around pool for 20 yrs and he was finished then never got to see him play only heard stories. Supposedly had a tremendous break maybe even taught Billy Johnson how to break but dont quote me on that. From what i've heard also he may not have been acting out the drunk part i think fond of the bottle.

Thanks! I'm curious if he was fond of the bottle or just a Foster Brooks act...
 
He did drink!

Bill hung around Bensingers for about a year in the late 60s or early 70s. Was a very nice fella. Didnt play much down there, he was trying to go on the wagon. He had been an alcoholic most of his life. A monster player most of his life. Good enough to beat any human. Had a horrifyingly powerful break. Wade Crane learned a lot about the break from him. Amazingly, with all the time I spent around him, I never learned sh*t about breaking the balls. I still to this day break like Little Bo Peep.

Beard

He was also toothless.
 
The Sleeper

Bill hung around Bensingers for about a year in the late 60s or early 70s. Was a very nice fella. Didnt play much down there, he was trying to go on the wagon. He had been an alcoholic most of his life. A monster player most of his life. Good enough to beat any human. Had a horrifyingly powerful break. Wade Crane learned a lot about the break from him. Amazingly, with all the time I spent around him, I never learned sh*t about breaking the balls. I still to this day break like Little Bo Peep.

Beard

He was also toothless.

Little Bo peep what an analogy, yeah, I spit out a mouthful of cola on that one thanks Mr. Beard
 
Bill usually showed up in Johnston City every year, but I'm not sure if he even played in the tournament. Someone would just say Bill Lawson was here. He would sometimes go into his drunk act and hustle some newbie to the pool scene. He and Bill Mullen (from Florida?) were the two best at this act. Even in a room full of hustlers they could pull it off and you were never sure if it was an act or not.

Bill was one of the undercover champions of that era. I would hear stories about how good he played, but it was rare to see him get on a table or even talk at all, except to act drunk once in a while. He could put on that drunk act and still make any ball he wanted. I'm sure it made him a nice living hustling bars back then. All the top players and rounders knew Bill. They seemed to treat him as one of them, and accorded him a hustlers respect. Yes, he was a well known "name" of that era, and generally considered one of the best players.
 
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