I was at the US Open and Darren Appelton didn't show, so they just let him play the next day. Some other people were late so they forfeited their match. I think this changed the whole tourney.
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The US Open didn't forfeit world champion for no show
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showtruck2020 said:
Not sure if you're referring to Darren's first match or not but just stating that "Darren Appelton didn't show, so they just let him play the next day" may be incorrect. Barry was advised and knew (prior to any draw or the start of the event) that he (Darren) and Marcus Chamat were still playing in the Euro Tour & the earliest they could arrive here was Sunday eve. Thanks.
emptypockets said:
If it would have been an unknown player, I don't think they would be able to do that. If you ask me rules are rules, the same for each and every player. They should decide wich tourney they are going to play in.
showtruck2020 said:
I totally agree with 'ya. I was just providing the info that I had learned in regards to Barry knowing about their arrival. Thanks.
That would be ok if every player could call in and say I'm busy, I'll be there later. If that happened the tourney would never get started on time and they would be late for the the following event if they make it to the finals. I think we need to stick to the rules at the players meeting. What is the players meeting for if you don't have to go by the rules?
I think you need to cut him some slack. He had two weeks of hard matches out in Manila and pulled of the biggest win of this career (so far). Then after a very short break went to play on the euro tour, where he had a chance to become European No1, and then on a plane straight to the open. I'm pretty sure that would wear most people out.
Its not as thought he was deliberately late.
Its not as thought he was deliberately late.
Lets use our head
This is just the kind of thing that make people laugh at pool. We need to be organized, act organized and stay organized. If a player is late for his game and the rule says a time limit is in effect, u loose if u go past that time. How can one players delay outweigh the responsibility of the other 250+ that were on time. Do we need to give a test to stay in the USA. Lets use our heads here.
This is just the kind of thing that make people laugh at pool. We need to be organized, act organized and stay organized. If a player is late for his game and the rule says a time limit is in effect, u loose if u go past that time. How can one players delay outweigh the responsibility of the other 250+ that were on time. Do we need to give a test to stay in the USA. Lets use our heads here.
Sums it up
AMEN, Butterflycuesmasonh said:
I completely disagree. The conflict with the Eurotour event was known well in advance, and Eropean players asked whether they could be accommodated. The European players were advised that they would be accommodated in advance. This is better than chancing having the US Open without guys like Souquet, Appleton and Peach.
US players may be in the same situation one day and I believe they would be accommodated similarly. The right precedent has been set here, the one that best advances the cause of having exciting events with the most diverse and complete international fields possible.
I commend the organizers of the US Open for bending the way that they did.
US players may be in the same situation one day and I believe they would be accommodated similarly. The right precedent has been set here, the one that best advances the cause of having exciting events with the most diverse and complete international fields possible.
I commend the organizers of the US Open for bending the way that they did.
Yes, but consider for a moment that this is the US Open and for the organizer being able to boast a current World Champion in the playing roster should be a selling point to sponsors. If there was sufficient advance notice of the delay it is the organizer who should decide if this is OK or not.
As a player I'm sure it's frustrating but as there are precious few successful Pro tournaments in the US anything that is likely to help them to survive seems like a good thing to me.
As a player I'm sure it's frustrating but as there are precious few successful Pro tournaments in the US anything that is likely to help them to survive seems like a good thing to me.
You are right - we should wait until Efren is over his bladder infection, Mike Sigel is hitting them good again, and Louie Roberts is resurrected from the grave. Can't believe we had the US Open without them.sjm said:
Two or three years ago, the DCC gave Corey and Efren a bye in one of the middle rounds of 9 ball because they were scheduled to play the finals of the one pocket. That made sense too.
AuntyDan said:
What is the matter with you guys. Is the US getting that insular?
Without this concession Barry's field would have lacked FOUR reigning World Champions - Darren plus Daryl Peach, Ralf Souquet and Niels Feijen.
You cannot tell me that they didn't add credibility to the event.
Or do you just want to play amongst yourself? If that is the case then it cannot be called an OPEN
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I gotta agree
But the top dogs get cut slack at most tournies. I had to wait 45 minutes for my one pocket match with Shannon Daulton at DCC 2 years ago. 11am start time and they wouldn't even put him on the clock. They kept telling me they were trying to find him. He slept in. Shannon apologized to me, but it didn't make it right.
Johnnyt said:
But the top dogs get cut slack at most tournies. I had to wait 45 minutes for my one pocket match with Shannon Daulton at DCC 2 years ago. 11am start time and they wouldn't even put him on the clock. They kept telling me they were trying to find him. He slept in. Shannon apologized to me, but it didn't make it right.
Well apparently it's not Open, the draw isn't fair, and the scheduling is selective. I am sure that if Joe Blow shortstop had a regional tour stop that conflicted with the US Open then he would have not been granted an extra day to get there.
The answer to all this is quite simple QUIT SCHEDULING TOURNAMENTS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
The US OPEN has been in existence for 33 years. It has seniority. All other tours, tournaments, exhibitions and so on SHOULD respect that and allow their players the opportunity to play in that event.
This year all the Guiness Tour players had ZERO opportunity to win the US Open because they HAD to play on the Guiness tour event or they quite possibly wouldn't be INVITED back the following year.
The Eurotour knew full well when the US Open is. Now I don't know who had their schedule out first but it seems to be a simple affair for Barry Behrman to get together with all these people scheduling tours and singel events and GET ONE WEEK clear for his event.
I completely disagree with special treatment. For waht that is worth I think Neils Feijen SKIPPED the Eurotour so that he focus on the US Open. I bet he feels like shit knowing that he could have played in both.
The whole magic to the US Open used to be that it was open to anyone, any male who get to the table that is. That anyone could step up and play with the best in the world on an even playing field. Now, with the closed door draws and special arrangements that doesn't seem to be true any more.
My friend who was at the US Open told me a story about a 16 year old girl who was celebrating her 16th birthday at the US Open. She had been coming since she was 4 years old and looked forward to it every year.
Now, with anti-family policies, the crazy rules, the special treatment for some players, absolute rude disrespect to others and more I wonder if the US Open hasn't lost some of the magic.
I loved going there. The atmosphere used to be quite electric. I staked a few players to play and it was a lot of fun to sweat their runs at the trophy. I have made cases for the winners. I have seen my friends win it.
I hope the US Open continues. I hope that Barry finds a way to make it consistently exciting and eagerly anticipated without all the drama that marred this year's event.
Oh, and congratulations Mika. Tough beat Ronnie. Bridesmaid two years in a row ain't bad though.
The answer to all this is quite simple QUIT SCHEDULING TOURNAMENTS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
The US OPEN has been in existence for 33 years. It has seniority. All other tours, tournaments, exhibitions and so on SHOULD respect that and allow their players the opportunity to play in that event.
This year all the Guiness Tour players had ZERO opportunity to win the US Open because they HAD to play on the Guiness tour event or they quite possibly wouldn't be INVITED back the following year.
The Eurotour knew full well when the US Open is. Now I don't know who had their schedule out first but it seems to be a simple affair for Barry Behrman to get together with all these people scheduling tours and singel events and GET ONE WEEK clear for his event.
I completely disagree with special treatment. For waht that is worth I think Neils Feijen SKIPPED the Eurotour so that he focus on the US Open. I bet he feels like shit knowing that he could have played in both.
The whole magic to the US Open used to be that it was open to anyone, any male who get to the table that is. That anyone could step up and play with the best in the world on an even playing field. Now, with the closed door draws and special arrangements that doesn't seem to be true any more.
My friend who was at the US Open told me a story about a 16 year old girl who was celebrating her 16th birthday at the US Open. She had been coming since she was 4 years old and looked forward to it every year.
Now, with anti-family policies, the crazy rules, the special treatment for some players, absolute rude disrespect to others and more I wonder if the US Open hasn't lost some of the magic.
I loved going there. The atmosphere used to be quite electric. I staked a few players to play and it was a lot of fun to sweat their runs at the trophy. I have made cases for the winners. I have seen my friends win it.
I hope the US Open continues. I hope that Barry finds a way to make it consistently exciting and eagerly anticipated without all the drama that marred this year's event.
Oh, and congratulations Mika. Tough beat Ronnie. Bridesmaid two years in a row ain't bad though.
pro9dg said:
Um no it's open to any player who shows up on time. I am pretty sure that no concessions were granted to players who had car trouble, family issues, missed planes, natural disasters, etc... so wy should concessions be granted to players who play in conflicting events?
The US Open has credibility already whether any Europeans show up or not. Was Mika's victory less credible because Alex Pagulayan, Dennis Orcullo, Efren Reyes, Wu Chia Ching, Fong Pang Chao, Oliver Ortmann, and other high caliber world champions weren't there this year?
That's a pretty unfair comment to make that the Americans want to shut the Europeans out. No one said that at all. All we said was make it fair for EVERYONE.
A lot of players scrimp and save, beg on online forums for sponsorship, take vacation days off of work, to invest a week of their lives playing in the US Open. It's really ****ING unfair to all those players to grant special privileges to a few players. What about the guy who drove 3000 miles to get there and is playing on his last $1000? Why should he not get the benefit of a first round forfeit if a world champion can't get there on time? What about when a group of players make a cross country drive together and some of them have to play each other in the first round? What's the difference between them and players who flew halfway around the world and probably have all their expenses covered by sponsors? Why should distance and amount of players from a country matter?
It's not the US Open if most of the players are basically cannon fodder and they are treated that way blatantly. What would the US Open be if weren't for 150 players who have almost zero chance of winning it providing $600 donations to the prize fund? So just slap all those players in the face with special treatment as has happened here and see how long it take before they stop donating.
All those players want is for one week to feel like they belong amongst the world's best. If the tournament direction itself goes out it's way to remind them that they don't then they won't come. At least that's how I see it.