Each of those players is fairly good at his own game, but they also both have extensive experience in competition at the other. They should have included snooker.
the "v" a question to all coaches out there
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unfortunately he doesn't talk . . .
Unfortunately the bird doesn't talk. I had to watch him for a year or two to figure out what he was telling me. I never understood Marcel Marceau either.
Hu
Unfortunately the bird doesn't talk. I had to watch him for a year or two to figure out what he was telling me. I never understood Marcel Marceau either.
Hu
I was working on my back hand not too long ago and am interested in Lee's views on the "V". But I don't think that anyone should expect a magic answer here - especially pool players.
Different grips suit different games, and what works for snooker may not be perfect for 14.1, for example. And even amoungst snooker players there is a wide variation in grips - the chances are Lee's V will not suit everyone.
This is true for the average snooker club player who can only dream of playing like Lee; but at the other end of the scale it is also true for the many snooker pros who got much higher up the rankings than Lee did. Taking an example from the past (I am not so familiar the current crop of snooker pros), there is a big, big difference between the grip used by Steve Davis and Willie Thorne. But both can play. (Willie Thorne may not have had the success that SD had, but but he could certainly play the game - had around 200 maximum breaks I think. As I recall, he kept the cue very much in the back of his hand)
But as another poster said, in connection with golf, things do change in terms of understanding of technique. So I would be very interested to know what someone like Lee, with his experience of snooker coaching, has to say on the subject.
Different grips suit different games, and what works for snooker may not be perfect for 14.1, for example. And even amoungst snooker players there is a wide variation in grips - the chances are Lee's V will not suit everyone.
This is true for the average snooker club player who can only dream of playing like Lee; but at the other end of the scale it is also true for the many snooker pros who got much higher up the rankings than Lee did. Taking an example from the past (I am not so familiar the current crop of snooker pros), there is a big, big difference between the grip used by Steve Davis and Willie Thorne. But both can play. (Willie Thorne may not have had the success that SD had, but but he could certainly play the game - had around 200 maximum breaks I think. As I recall, he kept the cue very much in the back of his hand)
But as another poster said, in connection with golf, things do change in terms of understanding of technique. So I would be very interested to know what someone like Lee, with his experience of snooker coaching, has to say on the subject.
I am familiar with the 'V' that Dr. Dave uses and have been for sometime now but I am talking about using the 'V' on your back hand. No one that I know will walk up to the OB and put 2 fingers down on the table to consider where the CB is going to go but..but when your down on a shot it is a lot easier to see where the CB is going to go using the 'V' on your grip hand. I think a lot of people missed this and started nailing this poor guy to the cross.
The "V" in the back hand has nothing to do with where the cueball goes. It has to do with your hand action when you stroke through the cueball.
It's tough to figure this one out
The OP started a post about how a "V" in your grip hand at finish can somehow improve your game. I have never heard this and don't quite understand how or why this can/should be done. I try to keep my forefinger off my cue until the end, at which point it is on the cue due to the pendulum motion. I can't imaging adding some other finger movement, but I don't understand the "V' concept.
Most responders to this OP were talking about aiming references used before the shot. Dr. Dave and Scott can explain this better than I, but there are two "V"'s that can be handy. By pointing your forefinger down the line of the shot, you can determine the direction the cue ball will end up traveling subject to the rolling condition of the cue ball by looking in the direction of another finger (or thumb). I would refer someone to either of these people rather than butchering it myself. I find both concepts extremely useful.
BTW - Props to Scott and Randy G for bringing their classes to the wide open plains in Fargo, ND so we can benefit from their knowledge without traveling so danged far. I can't wait until labor day weekend (which is perfect because it is a month before pool league starts).
The OP started a post about how a "V" in your grip hand at finish can somehow improve your game. I have never heard this and don't quite understand how or why this can/should be done. I try to keep my forefinger off my cue until the end, at which point it is on the cue due to the pendulum motion. I can't imaging adding some other finger movement, but I don't understand the "V' concept.
Most responders to this OP were talking about aiming references used before the shot. Dr. Dave and Scott can explain this better than I, but there are two "V"'s that can be handy. By pointing your forefinger down the line of the shot, you can determine the direction the cue ball will end up traveling subject to the rolling condition of the cue ball by looking in the direction of another finger (or thumb). I would refer someone to either of these people rather than butchering it myself. I find both concepts extremely useful.
BTW - Props to Scott and Randy G for bringing their classes to the wide open plains in Fargo, ND so we can benefit from their knowledge without traveling so danged far. I can't wait until labor day weekend (which is perfect because it is a month before pool league starts).
Timseal posted this link to fcsnooker.com. The whole article is about grip. It is probable that Figures Four and Five refer to the "V" alluded to by Lee Brett. Hope that helps.
the_grip.htm
I think that the usefulness is in the idea that it keeps your fingers aligned and tends to help you lock out side wrist movement. In addition, I think that most of us do not think about what it is that we aim with, we just swing the stick at the cue ball and let the brain take care of what is aiming the rear of the stick. A while ago I came to the conclusion that it is better to aim with something and to let my brain know what it was I wanted to aim with. To lock out the wrist I taught myself to aim with the area between my thumb and first finger. I did not know this was called the "V" grip and re-invented the wheel. The information on fcsnooker has helped to revise my thinking. With the "V" touching the stick (see Figure Five) I have a better sensual feel for what is aiming the stick. I have just begun using it and I find that I immediately like the feel. There is more power available (it seems) and the sense of alignment is much better.
Your mileage may vary !!!
the_grip.htm
I think that the usefulness is in the idea that it keeps your fingers aligned and tends to help you lock out side wrist movement. In addition, I think that most of us do not think about what it is that we aim with, we just swing the stick at the cue ball and let the brain take care of what is aiming the rear of the stick. A while ago I came to the conclusion that it is better to aim with something and to let my brain know what it was I wanted to aim with. To lock out the wrist I taught myself to aim with the area between my thumb and first finger. I did not know this was called the "V" grip and re-invented the wheel. The information on fcsnooker has helped to revise my thinking. With the "V" touching the stick (see Figure Five) I have a better sensual feel for what is aiming the stick. I have just begun using it and I find that I immediately like the feel. There is more power available (it seems) and the sense of alignment is much better.
Your mileage may vary !!!
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joe,
i found pretty much the same thing which is why i was so excited by this thread. although i really enjoy this forum its pretty rare when i find some tip that translates right into my game. its why i was so upset that shawn armstrong got into it with lee. first lee quits, the mr wilson bangs the ban hammer (only for lee though-takes 2 to make a fight) so now if lee intended to share more with us in this thread we'll miss out. as i said before now the forum is diminished.
brian
I think the forum is a little like reading a text book: There is a lot of junk and some good stuff. You just have to wade in and seperate the wheat from the chaff. There are many many good ideas here so just keep waiting, watching, and hoping (isn't that a song?). :grin:
fcsnooker.co.uk online resource
JoeW:
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J/K!
IMHO, you're spot on about the increased awareness of "where the cue is at all times" with the "V" touching (or scrunched, as the case may be) against the top surface of the cue. I've been an avid follower of Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan, and both use variations of this "'V' touching the top surface of the cue" technique. Jimmy uses what looks like a rounded fist, while Ronnie uses a rear-fingered grip (i.e. the last three fingers, middle/ring/pinky, support the cue -- the "engine" as Lee called it -- while the index and thumb are "guides"). Both have very powerful strokes for snooker players (Jimmy White especially), and both are exceptionally accurate potters.
Great topic, and great post!
-Sean
JoeW:
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J/K!IMHO, you're spot on about the increased awareness of "where the cue is at all times" with the "V" touching (or scrunched, as the case may be) against the top surface of the cue. I've been an avid follower of Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan, and both use variations of this "'V' touching the top surface of the cue" technique. Jimmy uses what looks like a rounded fist, while Ronnie uses a rear-fingered grip (i.e. the last three fingers, middle/ring/pinky, support the cue -- the "engine" as Lee called it -- while the index and thumb are "guides"). Both have very powerful strokes for snooker players (Jimmy White especially), and both are exceptionally accurate potters.
Great topic, and great post!
-Sean
V for VAGINIA,the state in which I reside
nadakotan...Don't forget Mr. Mike Page. Without his efforts, we wouldn't have what looks to be a FANTASTIC poolroom, in which to hold the school (Fargo Billiards & Gastropub). See ya in less than a month! :thumbup:
To anybody else up north...we still have a couple of slots open for this school. It's gonna be a humdinger! PM me for more information!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
To anybody else up north...we still have a couple of slots open for this school. It's gonna be a humdinger! PM me for more information!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Of course
Of course. I can't wait to see the new pool hall and meet Mike. He has some great material out there that he openly shares.
Of course. I can't wait to see the new pool hall and meet Mike. He has some great material out there that he openly shares.
Lee Brett
When did you ever show Del Hill anything?
You aren't even a qualified snooker coach!!!!!
Az'ers..... If you're smart and I know a lot of you are, you won't take any notice of what Lee Brett has to say.
When did you ever show Del Hill anything?
You aren't even a qualified snooker coach!!!!!
Az'ers..... If you're smart and I know a lot of you are, you won't take any notice of what Lee Brett has to say.
Anyone who's been on az for a while should know.....
Yeah anyone who's been around AZ for a while should know that any time someone comes on and says, "all good players know this" or "you must be a stupid player if you don't do it this way" aren't going to get a warm welcome with arms spread and people on bended knee saying " yes, master Yoda, need to learn the force I do...."
Jaden
Yeah anyone who's been around AZ for a while should know that any time someone comes on and says, "all good players know this" or "you must be a stupid player if you don't do it this way" aren't going to get a warm welcome with arms spread and people on bended knee saying " yes, master Yoda, need to learn the force I do...."
Jaden
you know lee quit, then got banned right?
i guess i am not as smart as the average az'er (and too lazy to do research). you are who?
brian
JasonDevanney
Jason Devanney
Who are you ? And why would you bad mouth someone on this site. Alot of people on this site wait to bad mouth people. When you know some one take time out to confront them one on one. Grow up people. Life is short and you only get one trip around the block. Unless your name is Richard you have no reason to be a DICK
Jason Devanney
Who are you ? And why would you bad mouth someone on this site. Alot of people on this site wait to bad mouth people. When you know some one take time out to confront them one on one. Grow up people. Life is short and you only get one trip around the block. Unless your name is Richard you have no reason to be a DICK
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Why would I bad mouth someone?
The reason is I know the truth about Lee Brett and why he moved to Canada and the bullshit stunt he tried to pull on Del Hill who happens to be my snooker coach.
Thats the reason. And also the fact that he says he is one of Del Hill's qualified coaches when he isn't.
Del Hill is one of the most knowledgable person I've ever has the pleasure to meet when it comes to the snooker technique and I know he doesn't like his name mentioned or wants to be associated with someone like Lee Brett.
I'm not one for bad mouthing anyone on this forum but this time I have my reasons.