think I need deflection

So the ladylike comment has been blasted. On with the gloves and comments.

I played with a 314 for quite a while, took a couple months to master it. Then I bought a Jacoby hybrid edge and never got completely comfortable with that particular shaft.

After those I bought a Kikel and his stock maple shafts played just the way I like.. That was that for me. I did consider a Mezz Ignite but never went through with it.

A very strong player I know told me to just pick one cue with one shaft and stick with it. Some of the best advice I have ever heard..
 
Tried low def years ago and didnt like it. Open to CF shafts though just because they will never change like a wood shaft will over the years.

but... Im weird, if the rings dont match up on my cue, I wont use it. Drives me nuts...
 
Cornerman said:
I hear you. It’s the same challenge I have with very low squirt shafts. My game was built with the understanding of squirt long before Predator, so switching for me was and is very difficult. Or I should say, if I play with a Predator for a few months, then screw on a shaft with way more deflection, it’’s like coming home and the world is right.

But I love the feel and energy transfer of my Revo (Cornerman style). Solution? Use a CF shaft that had more squirt. In my case, (punny, har har) Predator made me a new Revo that has the same squirt as my normal shooting shafts. My XLR8 CF shaft (Matt Bargerstock) also has about the same amount of squirt. Other CF shafts also have more squirt than the stock Revo shafts. CF doesn’t mean low squirt necessarily.
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I've tried 2 now, both the revo and the defy, both really low deflection. It's pretty clear that I'm not going to be converting to cf any time soon but I do like the hit etc of the cf shaft. So I have a couple questions.

With the XSR8 shaft, is it just stock how he makes them that gave you the deflection or did he do something a little different to give you deflection.

With the predator, how did you get them to make you a revo with deflection similar to your maple shaft.
Thanks for any info.
 
to the op
have you tried a kielwood shaft?
richard hsu makes a really good one that is decently low deflection but has more feel than carbon fiber
 
easy-e said:
I hear ya. I switched over a few years ago and it took some getting used to. After playing with LD for a while, I used a standard shaft for a day and had to readjust a lot. I liked it after an hour of play! I think they're both great, just have to get used to whatever you're using.
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I agree, just stay with one shaft and your brain adjusts. I have been
using joss regular maple shafts for 6 years and I love them.
 
dendweller said:
I've tried 2 now, both the revo and the defy, both really low deflection. It's pretty clear that I'm not going to be converting to cf any time soon but I do like the hit etc of the cf shaft. So I have a couple questions.

With the XSR8 shaft, is it just stock how he makes them that gave you the deflection or did he do something a little different to give you deflection.

With the predator, how did you get them to make you a revo with deflection similar to your maple shaft.
Thanks for any info.
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XLR8 stock with a ferrule, long taper. Nothing else. Get a hold of Matt Bargerstock. Tell him I sent you.

With Predator… Predator has been very good to me. I don’t know if they offer this up to everyone.
 
dendweller said:
... With the predator, how did you get them to make you a revo with deflection similar to your maple shaft....
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One way to increase the squirt/deflection on any shaft is to increase the weight in the front. You could try a steel disk right behind the tip. There might be a problem with gluing it.

I had a fairly high-end cue years ago that had a metal screw that held the ferrule on -- no tenon. That was before I understood about "end mass".
 
Bob Jewett said:
One way to increase the squirt/deflection on any shaft is to increase the weight in the front. You could try a steel disk right behind the tip. There might be a problem with gluing it.

I had a fairly high-end cue years ago that had a metal screw that held the ferrule on -- no tenon. That was before I understood about "end mass".
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For those who want to see examples of the effects of endmass, check out the videos, articles, and links here:

 
Reviving an old thread.
I have posted this on facebook cuemakers group before, with many 'experts' chiming in on the reasons not to add deflection to the shaft.
Well, i have done repairs for people in the international circuit ; top 5 in the world rankings , to ADD deflection to their CF shaft.
can't name them for obvious reasons.

But anyways, here is a revo with modded ferrule to increase deflection - it has a cynergy deflection now, with the characteristics of a revo shaft! super effortless and powerful. I have yet to experiment to keep it looking like a stock revo with added deflection similar to a conventional shaft - my ideal setup.

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If you don’t like the way it hits don’t try to force it is the only advice. Nothing wrong with playing with a wood shaft if that hit is what feels right to you.
 
If you want a Revo with standard wood deflection behavior, Predator makes one for Carom players with standard deflection. Of course, it will have a carom taper. Just FYI.
 
iusedtoberich said:
If you want a Revo with standard wood deflection behavior, Predator makes one for Carom players with standard deflection. Of course, it will have a carom taper. Just FYI.
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Thanks, I don't want that much deflection. I like around a 314 level. Revo was great for being able to hit left or right center and really not adjust, soon as you add high or low there's a new kind of adjustment you need.
 
CavinTan said:
But anyways, here is a revo with modded ferrule to increase deflection
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1. How has the ferrule been modified to increase deflection?
2. What is the ferrule made of or what does it come from?
3. What is the width of the ferrule/vault plate?
4. Is it a Cynergy vault plate?

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Don't know what to say. Every LD shaft I've tried over the years (probably at least 15+, including CF) I've always gone back to factory maple. Only LD shaft in my bag now is a kielwood. I've played focused pool for 30+ years. Also, I've learned not to turn down my shaft too much. 12.5mm for my playing shafts, 13mm or slightly smaller for breakers...
 
On the other hand...

With a good tip, only three cue specs matter to me: low squirt, small tip and stiff hit. I got those 30-some years ago in a custom maple shaft ($150 by Ed Young) which I still screw onto an old Joss butt. Any other butt about the same weight would do too.

pj <- gear freak
chgo
 
dendweller said:
I've been waffling about trying a revo shaft for a bit now. Couple people have been nice enough to let me take a few
shots with theirs and I liked the hit. My thinking was a better transfer of energy would be a good thing for me as well.
Bottom line, thought I might be missing something.

I got one, a 12.9 for a 3/8 10 joint. I really do like the way it hits.

I'm not used to ld shafts, had a 314 15 or 20 years ago, went back to maple. After shooting with this revo for half
an hour I kind of realized that I think deflection has a place in my game. For instance shots such as high inside
to make a ball down the rail and go 3 rails back to center it seems the deflection and curve cancel each other out at
the right speed and right tip position. With the revo, that same shot, I feel like I actually have to aim to miss the
ball in order to allow for the swirve.

I'd also read that people think ld is more forgiving about off center hits. I hit some long straight in shots with it, it
seemed more demanding than one of my maple shaft with a short juma ferrule on it.

It really is a nice shaft but as silly as this sounds, I think it need more deflection.
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20 years with the same maple shaft? If you are shooting great with that shaft why change? I love my CF cue but I'm just getting back into playing after a long layoff so I am relearning everything so it doesn't affect me as much.
 
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