This is about Shane

[RWOJO]

Svb

A field of players that tough, alternate break with magic rack is crazy - especially with the short race.

It is true that the majority of the tournaments that Shane plays in, the competition is not as tough. A lot of the European players play in tournaments where you have a handful of world champions.

Shane is a great player and great for the game. Shane is 30 years old. He is 5-10 years younger than the majority of the top players out there. He has won 6 US Opens (some in 8, 9 and 10 ball). He has won Derby City master of the table twice. I would bet on him against anyone in the world if they played long sets and all around games to see overall who is the better player. He plays great on any size table.

He will win several world titles before his career ends.

 

[JoeyInCali]

A field of players that tough, alternate break with magic rack is crazy - especially with the short race.

It is true that the majority of the tournaments that Shane plays in, the competition is not as tough. A lot of the European players play in tournaments where you have a handful of world champions.

Shane is a great player and great for the game. Shane is 30 years old. He is 5-10 years younger than the majority of the top players out there. He has won 6 US Opens (some in 8, 9 and 10 ball). He has won Derby City master of the table twice. I would bet on him against anyone in the world if they played long sets and all around games to see overall who is the better player. He plays great on any size table.

He will win several world titles before his career ends.

Against Hohman, 9-ball, 8-ball and straight-pool ?

 

[jay helfert]

FYI - Shane had a very successful one month trip overseas. He is one smart cookie and not afraid to put his own money on the line. He came home with full pockets and that counts for something in my book. Shane has found a way to make a good living as a pool player and for that I commend him!

 

[RWOJO]

If we're talking only about tournament results and not just wins. Then Shane is definitely the best player.

As overall playing in big events, SVB is currently ranked 2nd in the world. This is with very high finishes in several overseas tournaments (for all the people saying he doesn't play well overseas). He is the only USA player in the top 28.

 

[arps]

No that's different because Shane won. If he loses it's because of short races, if he wins it's because he's the best. Also, only Shane is disadvantaged by travelling. A Chinese player can not blame jet lag if he loses in the US open, but Shane can if he loses in China. It is all perfectly simple.

:rotflmao:

 

[Jaden]

Sorry....

Yes not in one tournament but when you take them all in consideration and take those finishes collectively then you most certainly come up with who the Best Tournament player is ,, you can also with in those determine who plays better or worse in bigger eor smaller events ,that's how you come up with rankings,

The sample size of Shane's long races on his tables is much to small to draw any conclusion other than he's a favorite on his home table ,, I'm pretty sure there are others who can set of their tables in their confront zone and enjoy similar success


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I'm sorry but NONE of those long races was played on Shane's home table. Not even in his home state.

Jaden

 

[Jaden]

Shane finished fifth in China and fifth in Qatar. Did anyone finish ahead of him in China and Qatar was 1 through 4 all different names in each tournament?

So would Shane be master of the table if you included best finishes of all world tournaments for the year?

I do like how Derby city does that.

Yes, just wu lang and Biado tied in one and finished ahead one place in the other...

Jaden

 

[The Saw]

I'm sorry but NONE of those long races was played on Shane's home table. Not even in his home state.

Jaden

C'mon Jaden...... You know that now that Tar is done and the studio is closed that Shane is homeless!

 

[Jaden]

No one was saying that...

No that's different because Shane won. If he loses it's because of short races, if he wins it's because he's the best. Also, only Shane is disadvantaged by travelling. A Chinese player can not blame jet lag if he loses in the US open, but Shane can if he loses in China. It is all perfectly simple.

It's not either of these things, it's just the percentages as Corvette was saying exacerbated by shorter races and alternate break format. Towards the end where Shane lost, the races weren't as short but alternate break makes it difficult if not impossible to come back from being a little behind, Shane almost did just that to get within three games anyways which is insane.

When you combine single elimination, alternate breaks and shorter races and looser tables, it becomes a crap shoot and while the best are still likely to perform and rise toward the top, the better player dominating becomes more difficult.

With the US open, winner breaks and double elimination changes the dynamics even though the races are still relatively short.

Jaden

 

[arps]

It's not either of these things, it's just the percentages as Corvette was saying exacerbated by shorter races and alternate break format. Towards the end where Shane lost, the races weren't as short but alternate break makes it difficult if not impossible to come back from being a little behind, Shane almost did just that to get within three games anyways which is insane.

When you combine single elimination, alternate breaks and shorter races and looser tables, it becomes a crap shoot and while the best are still likely to perform and rise toward the top, the better player dominating becomes more difficult.

With the US open, winner breaks and double elimination changes the dynamics even though the races are still relatively short.

Jaden

to win in an alternating break format, you need to make sure that you'll win the rack whenever you break; and when it's your opponent's turn to break, never miss any opportunity to steal the rack. when you are behind, your most crucial shots are on those racks where your opponent breaks. if you get to score on that rack, make sure that you break-n-run the next rack. the lag is also very important. lots of strategy involved in this kind of format.
if you watch the replays from the China Open, you will realize why Chang Yu Lung was unstoppable (particularly his match against Chang Jung-Lin). In the finals, Jeff Ignacio played really well, but Chang stayed ahead almost the entire time.

 

[Inaction]

I'm sorry but NONE of those long races was played on Shane's home table. Not even in his home state.

Jaden

The first one:

Sep 20, 2013 - TAR 1: Corey Deuel vs Shane Van Boening ... The match took place at Lucky's in Sioux Falls South Dakota on September 17-18, 2007.

 

[one stroke]

I'm sorry but NONE of those long races was played on Shane's home table. Not even in his home state.

Jaden

The TAR table he's the Shane seal of approval except Earls table

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[Kris_b1104]

C'mon Jaden...... You know that now that Tar is done and the studio is closed that Shane is homeless!

Haha I know you're being figurative but it's actually quite the opposite for Shane, while he's investing in real estate the rest of the "pros" are becoming homeless due to their lower annual income compared to Shane.

 

[spartan]

If this was long race between "Shane is best" camp vs "Shane is one of the best" camp, it is clear the "Shane is best" camp would be thrashed badly-
cos they contradict themselves, give onflicting arguments, provide little facts to back it up,are uninformed or don't get their facts right, get too emotional and spout fiction / half truths.

No that's different because Shane won. If he loses it's because of short races, if he wins it's because he's the best. Also, only Shane is disadvantaged by travelling. A Chinese player can not blame jet lag if he loses in the US open, but Shane can if he loses in China. It is all perfectly simple.

This post made my day, laughed so hard. It lays bare nicely the faulty logic of the "Shane is the best" camp. Those who were criticisng the W9B as crap shoot before it started were also the same people clapping and cheering Shane when he did well in W9B
What if Shane loses long race? They will challenge winner to play golf with Shane. ROFL

I would compare Shane to Colin Montgomerie. A great player who absolutely destroyed the European Tour but never won a major championship. He finished 2nd in a major five different times. People tend to remember the fact he never won a major instead of his career as whole.

Nice analogy

As overall playing in big events, SVB is currently ranked 2nd in the world. This is with very high finishes in several overseas tournaments (for all the people saying he doesn't play well overseas). He is the only USA player in the top 28.

When Shane was much lower in rankings before, people were rubbishing the rankings. Now Shane is No. 2, the rankings are suddenly relevant. Actually this year W9B has lower points 10000 instead of 11500 previous year so Shane can still catch up and be No.1 if he wins final major US Open and Niels finish out the top 32. If this year's W9B had same points 11500 as last year, then Niels will be No.1 even if Shane wins US Open. Basically any one who wins W9B will be No.1 like Thorsten before this
Well done, Shane.
:thumbup:

 

[peter_gunn]

Like Nick the Greek? Oh wait, he got throttled 50-21 at his own room , on his own table, in his own country. It would be the same at any other spot in any other country against any other player. The only question is what would be the right number of games that Shane would need to spot for anyone to bet on the other guy.

On the same room SVB lost twice against Kazakis gambling. That player also defeat SVB on tournament in that same room. Except SVB b'n'r ( over 50%) he didn't play much better than Nick...

 

[Cornerman]

Nice analogy

Do you guys even know what an analogy is?

He's exactly NOT like Colin Montgomerie because Colin Montgomerie got to play one of those majors in his home country for over 20 years. And never won one. CM played on his home course, and never won. But, those who followed golf understood something:

Fans understood him to be:

a) World Elite Class (completely true)

b) legitimately the best golfer IN THE WORLD at various times despite never having won a "MAJOR." (absolutely true)

Those who didn't believe these two were not fans of golf and are completely ignorant. So, the only analogy here is that there are those that don't understand these things about Shane.

Freddie <~~~ nice analogy

 

[sfleinen]

Do you guys even know what an analogy is?

He's exactly NOT like Colin Montgomerie because Colin Montgomerie got to play one of those majors in his home country for over 20 years. And never won one. CM played on his home course, and never won. But, those who followed golf understood something:

Fans understood him to be:

a) World Elite Class (completely true)

b) legitimately the best golfer IN THE WORLD at various times despite never having won a "MAJOR." (absolutely true)

Those who didn't believe these two were not fans of golf and are completely ignorant. So, the only analogy here is that there are those that don't understand these things about Shane.

Freddie <~~~ nice analogy

But-but-but Freddie, I thought "analogy" was the science, or study of, being anal?


-Sean <-- studies jerkology

 

[Keith Jawahir]

No that's different because Shane won. If he loses it's because of short races, if he wins it's because he's the best. Also, only Shane is disadvantaged by travelling. A Chinese player can not blame jet lag if he loses in the US open, but Shane can if he loses in China. It is all perfectly simple.

still the best explanation I've seen in any of these threads.

 

[arps]

When Shane was much lower in rankings before, people were rubbishing the rankings. Now Shane is No. 2, the rankings are suddenly relevant.

:grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:

 

[JB Cases]

still the best explanation I've seen in any of these threads.

Actually....... the jet lag and culture unfamiliarity has been posted many times in the past to partially explain the lack of results for Taiwanese and Japanese players at US events.

It's just ONE tournament. Bustamante took forever to win one. Efren only won once. Alex only won once. Only a handful of players have ever won more than once.

And the format has changed often over the years.

Look at Ronnie Alcano. Won the WC ONCE and what has he done since? Not much for the past four years or so that I can remember.

Wu? Won at 16 in one of the greatest performances ever. Since then?

In the meantime Shane is quite possibly the leading all time money winner IF you take out the IPT wins which turned out to be an unfortunately short lived thing with very high payouts.

http://www.azbilliards.com/people/

Shane is closing in on 100k with the year half over. I guess he is pleased with being the money leader year after year.

About $950,000 since 2008. Not including his sponsorships.

Orcullo - $595,000 since 2008.

Chang - $86,000 since 2008 INCLUDING $40,000 for the China Open win this year.

Not bad for a guy that "can't" win overseas. I guess if he starts winning WPA events then it will look even worse for everyone else as he starts gobbling up that money as well.