Those Two Undercover Monster players are real. I have photographic evidence!
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Hey give the guy some credit -- it wasn't bad reading.
I could at least picture the scene.
I could at least picture the scene.
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I visited my brother in Austin last month. We were out with his family and we saw Elvis flipping burgers. With my own eyes!!
+1!!!!!^^^^^ Take 'em down!!
"you mean this guy has never/ever lost?" --they verified "no, he's never been beat!"
There were stories like this circulating back when I was on the road full time. The group that I ran around with went hunting these players like they were trophy elk. The difference is we would play them on their home table, and bet everyone in the pool room.
I remember being down in Key Largo Florida back in the late 80s and we found out there was a guy there that had NEVER been beaten......we ask the "local" to repeat himself "you mean this guy has never/ever lost?" -----they verified "no, he's never been beat.....ever!!!"
We looked at each other trying to keep back the enormous smile trying to break through our clinched jaw. I felt like I just heard my lottery ticket number called on TV.
Later that night we went back and I played the guy on a bar table betting $20 a game......and on the side my partner was betting over $600 a game.....two hours later the cash register and everyone in the place was tapped......as we started the car and pulled out John said "I guess they can't say he's "never" been beat now, can they?" We both laughed and headed towards Key West, to play another guy named "Hector".
'The Game is the Teacher'
There were stories like this circulating back when I was on the road full time. The group that I ran around with went hunting these players like they were trophy elk. The difference is we would play them on their home table, and bet everyone in the pool room.
I remember being down in Key Largo Florida back in the late 80s and we found out there was a guy there that had NEVER been beaten......we ask the "local" to repeat himself "you mean this guy has never/ever lost?" -----they verified "no, he's never been beat.....ever!!!"
We looked at each other trying to keep back the enormous smile trying to break through our clinched jaw. I felt like I just heard my lottery ticket number called on TV.
Later that night we went back and I played the guy on a bar table betting $20 a game......and on the side my partner was betting over $600 a game.....two hours later the cash register and everyone in the place was tapped......as we started the car and pulled out John said "I guess they can't say he's "never" been beat now, can they?" We both laughed and headed towards Key West, to play another guy named "Hector".
'The Game is the Teacher'
I love this type of story. When I was running around with Jimmy Reid and later Keith, we would always be asking "Where are the best players?" Our mouths would salivate when we heard about a guy who was beating everyone and betting pretty good.
I can remember sitting in poolrooms and bars all night just waiting for the local champ to show up, cause this was the guy everyone wanted to bet on. Only one guy every turned out to be the real deal. I'll never forget him. His name was Bobby Tippit I think and he played out of bar in Visalia, CA. We had been warned that he beat everyone who came through there, so naturally we beat a path to his door. He played Jimmy to a standstill for over eight hours, both of them putting together fours, fives and sixes over and over again. Every time it looked like Jimmy was going to put him away the guy would bounce back with five or six racks.
We had them stuck about 400 (total bet was around 50 or 60 a game with the side action), when Bobby did it again, running several nice racks. I told Jimmy that I had seen enough. I was afraid this guy might bust us, cause Jimmy would never quit. Jimmy reluctantly pulled up and we got out of there with some lunch money. I heard about Tippit several times after that, and it was always about some top player that he beat. In that one bar he was Godzilla!
P.S. Years later Bobby showed up at one of my U.S. Bar Table events in Reno. He was older but I remembered his name and sure enough it was the same guy. He still played good and finished in the money, but he wasn't a world beater anymore.
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those two undercover monster players are real
HI I remember back in the seventys or eighties a player came down to the pool room in Montreal Quebec Canada.
He said he was from Verdun Quebec wearing running shoes and wanted to play anyone in the room for Money.
He played a few guys and took all there money. Then the backer arranged a match of Straight Pool 14.1 with this person race to 150
Balls for $1000.00 a match and would up winning $5,000.00
His name was Ray Martin Us Open Champion
Will never forget it
HI I remember back in the seventys or eighties a player came down to the pool room in Montreal Quebec Canada.
He said he was from Verdun Quebec wearing running shoes and wanted to play anyone in the room for Money.
He played a few guys and took all there money. Then the backer arranged a match of Straight Pool 14.1 with this person race to 150
Balls for $1000.00 a match and would up winning $5,000.00
His name was Ray Martin Us Open Champion
Will never forget it
All these guys played "Two Shot Shoot Out" rules and I think .......
Yeah, we had a list of players we tracked down over the years. Bobby Leggs was another one that was tough to beat on his "home court".....so was Bobby Pickle, "Country Calvin," Reid Pierce, Jimmy Hodges, Jimmy Sanders, and Bryan Ashley.
Those were the days, one thing about this group is they would NOT QUIT until they were busted......this led to a lot of 20+ hour sets......paradise!!!
All these guys played "Two Shot Shoot Out" rules and I think that's a big reason why gambling has diminished......"One Foul" just isn't as strategic, therefore not as much fun to play against someone for 20 hours.....it gets boring after an hour or two.
Yeah, we had a list of players we tracked down over the years. Bobby Leggs was another one that was tough to beat on his "home court".....so was Bobby Pickle, "Country Calvin," Reid Pierce, Jimmy Hodges, Jimmy Sanders, and Bryan Ashley.
Those were the days, one thing about this group is they would NOT QUIT until they were busted......this led to a lot of 20+ hour sets......paradise!!!
All these guys played "Two Shot Shoot Out" rules and I think that's a big reason why gambling has diminished......"One Foul" just isn't as strategic, therefore not as much fun to play against someone for 20 hours.....it gets boring after an hour or two.
I'm not sure he is still alive, but in case he is I won't out him out. I saw him play in the early 90`s. This guy was a monster on the 8,9 and bar tables. I have never seen anyone play this good.
When the op was describing the players ability it was very reminiscent of this guy. Actually thought for a moment it might be him. To call him a magician would be an understatement.
He used to play with Bobby Leggs, but was better. He hated the limelight. He had just come out of prison and was staying at my friends house. My friend had a collection of pool magazines and was catching up on the pool scene.
He comes across a picture of Bob Vanover winning a tournament holding a trophy. He says "who's this Vanover guy? " Look at him with that trophy, you can't buy a hotdog with a trophy" Let's go bust this guy". At this point my friend or me hadn't seen him play pool yet. My friend says "That's Bob Vanover he's senior champion, this guy can play some pool." Then he says" I'll show you pool." The rest is history.
If he is still alive and plays the same speed no one can touch him.
He once told me if he caught anyone taking a picture of him he would break their camera.
Knowing this guy personally is what makes this story semi believable. So I still believe in undercover monsters cause I know one.
When the op was describing the players ability it was very reminiscent of this guy. Actually thought for a moment it might be him. To call him a magician would be an understatement.
He used to play with Bobby Leggs, but was better. He hated the limelight. He had just come out of prison and was staying at my friends house. My friend had a collection of pool magazines and was catching up on the pool scene.
He comes across a picture of Bob Vanover winning a tournament holding a trophy. He says "who's this Vanover guy? " Look at him with that trophy, you can't buy a hotdog with a trophy" Let's go bust this guy". At this point my friend or me hadn't seen him play pool yet. My friend says "That's Bob Vanover he's senior champion, this guy can play some pool." Then he says" I'll show you pool." The rest is history.
If he is still alive and plays the same speed no one can touch him.
He once told me if he caught anyone taking a picture of him he would break their camera.
Knowing this guy personally is what makes this story semi believable. So I still believe in undercover monsters cause I know one.
BB Historian - dont be shy now, u have much better stories bout Legs than myself and you know it so please share! ( nasty text ok; ta know I still love ya lol! ) and as far as the vanovers- Bob - never knew. Tom real well still today. I remember a story from CJ about Tom and the Flamingo I think??? And yes , already been said - but honestly can anyone ever really hear toooo much bout there hometown hero ---- NO NEVER, chime in Rich!
So, the lesson here is that if you wanted your "Undercover Monster Players" story
to be that much more believable, you should have named both guys Bobby.
CJ, if ur back in action glad to hear it! Im one of ur biggest fans. Not so much the " two foul" but none the less a huge fan. Snap them all off brother!!!!
Or Jimmy. I remember a road player coming through one time when I was a kid. The owner of the pool hall was an old road player himself. The roadie introduced himself as "Jimmy", the guy who owned the place said something like..... "Yeah, I was Jimmy for a while too....."
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Bob, unlike his brother Tom, didn't care for the action life. He was successful at business
and played tournaments in his spare time. But he was subject to beat anyone on a given day
and has won the Texas State Championship more than anybody.
If he had chose to gamble, he would've been a very tough cookie.
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I heard he has several stories published in the Penthouse Forum. Still needs work to get past the billiards forum though. The part about how the guy counted out the $700 after losing 14 racks of eight ball at $50 a game, does not work. In the scenario described that money would be paid out by the rack. That and the idea that a B+ or A- player would go off to the tune of $700 to a player putting together six packs does not pass the snort test either. Running 3 would kill that action.