Tiger x-shaft Product Review

Kid Dynomite

Kid Dynomite

Dennis (Michael) Wilson
Silver Member
Mr. Wilson,

There is no product review section to allow AZ members voice comments regarding new products. It does not fall into the Main or For Sale section. Could you please create one? THanks!

I just got my tiger x-shaft and it truely blew me away. All I can say is WOW! I have been playing for over 20 years and am used to traditional shafts. I bought a predator and tried it out but the stiffness was just too much for my game. It was really hard shooting with something that did not flex or bend. It had almost no give in the shaft at all.

The tiger x-shaft has such a sweet soft/firm hit. The shaft is just so alive and full of vibration. It signals the players hand really well. I am not sure if its the ferrulle? The Tip? Or Shaft lamaination process that produces such a great hit. It could be all three! The product was just a delight in my hands and I wanted you all to know.

Sincerely
Kid
Dynomite:D
 
First of all...Predators are far from stiff hitting...in fact they have more flex than most any shaft, hence there claim to fame with low deflection. The "soft" hit you felt from the Tiger is a result of the fantastic Sniper tip that comes on all X shafts. The Tiger X shaft is much stiffer than a 314. You apparently just didn't like the tip on your Predator. You should try a Sniper on the 314.;)
 
gotta second varney's comments. i played with a predator for like 4 years and it had plenty of give in the shaft. still does. if you got the dough try a moori tip on that shaft
 
Varney Cues said:
First of all...Predators are far from stiff hitting...in fact they have more flex than most any shaft, hence there claim to fame with low deflection. The "soft" hit you felt from the Tiger is a result of the fantastic Sniper tip that comes on all X shafts. The Tiger X shaft is much stiffer than a 314. You apparently just didn't like the tip on your Predator. You should try a Sniper on the 314.;)
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Varney, a while back there was a thread about the 314 shaft and the modifacations you made to them...i am just wondering what ever came from it...I know you provided some players with a shaft with your touch and they were going to get back to you and let eveyone know about playability of the altered 314 shaft.

sambo
 
Sambo said:
Varney, a while back there was a thread about the 314 shaft and the modifacations you made to them...i am just wondering what ever came from it...I know you provided some players with a shaft with your touch and they were going to get back to you and let eveyone know about playability of the altered 314 shaft.

sambo
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The results are at the very end of that thread. Bascially the player loved the "hit" of my upgraded 314 and could see no added deflection from the mod. ;)
 
Kevin just did this for my old 314. Added a saber t ferrule and a sniper tip. GREAT work! I'm taking it for a test drive this w/e and will post my thoughts for anyone interested! Thanks Kevin!!
 
Mr. Varney,

You make my point for me in this tread. When you buy an aftermarket Tiger shaft it is ready to go and no extra expense or modification is necessary. With Predator that is not the case!

For $240 dollars you would think the shaft should be ready for optimal play right out of the gate. If the product has a sub par tip on it? Then why does predator place them in circulation that way? it does not make since and is a resounding reason why tiger is a better product and better company. The tiger shaft I have has a beautiful finish on the shaft. The finish from Predator was pretty much non-existent and the wood soaked up chalk on mine like a sponge due to the lack of a proper finish. When I got it, was I suppose to have it re-tipped and finished as well, before play could begin?

If predator wants to be competitive they need to spend the extra money on a proper finish and quality tip before shipping anything.

Someone else mentioned you added a saber t ferrulle to the predator shaft and i assume it is safe to say the ferrulle on the predator is sub par as well?

With all these issues on the predator dont you truely believe the X-shaft to be better? Or do you truely believe the pie shaped lamination process is that far superior to Tigers 5 piece design?

Based on the cost of the shaft and the changes needed to bring it up to snuff you are at 240 for the shaft plus 40 for a moori tip plus 50 to swap the ferrulle out and finish the shaft properly. So, the grand total is 330 versus a suggested retail price of 199 for the tiger x-shaft. So, the predator pie design is worth the additional $130.00 at the minimum!???

That is why I posted my opinion on the Tiger X-shaft and stand by my post regarding the product, quality and value.

I was pleasently surprised and VERY PLEASED!!!

I have hit with Mike Davis's predator and man I could not get used to it with a moori tip. But, I trust you when you say it has to do with the tip differences more so than anything else!



Sincerely,
Kid
Dynomite
 
i think what varney was gettin at was that you said predator shafts had no flex. i don't think he meant this to be as agressive as you seem to have taken it. predators have plenty of flex. i've been dying to try one of the tiger shafts. i've heard nothing but good things i just gotta get a cue that has a joint that'll fit it.
 
Tiger X

I recently switched from a 314 to a Tiger X and couldn't be happier. The X has a stiffer hit and not as "whippy". To me, the 314 felt like a Meucci shaft a buddy of mine has. I can get just as much spin without deflection on the X as I could with the 314 and I feel I have more control in doing so.

Just my opinion
 
Don't choke on the kool-aide.

KD, if you are happy with the X-shaft, then that's great. We're all happy for you. However, I don't think you should be bashing a product that so many others have come to love and trust. It's been proven sceintifically that the 314 and Z shats have less deflection than all of the others. That doesn't mean it's the best shaft for everyone. So, with that said, are you telling me and all of the other Predator shaft owners around the world are playing with an inferior shaft compared to the Tiger-X? If so, I think for me, any and all future posts by you will not be considered to have any merit. Thank you and good day.
 
On reread my post may be a little stern as some one else indicated and that is not my intentions!

I just really love the shaft. The predator I had takes alot of adjusting too. Especially after 20 years of regular shafts. So, the tiger shaft is suppose to be low deflection and it does not take me out of my stroke or cause me to have to adjust or modify my stroke. That is a BIG plus for me! After 20 years, Adjustments are nearly impossible! Alot of newbies can pick it up and run with a predator. Us old school players are just not as mechanical with our stroke and like to really swing the cue versus pushing each shot. Certain shafts are better for certain stroke types. Not that one is better then the other.

I just found it alarming the predator product ships from the factor the way it did. With no finish! With a sub par le pro! Predator should either charge more and slap on a moori or just put one on it to begin with.

You never want your product coming from the factor with sub par tips! So, many pro's play with Predator and Moori combo why send them out with a shabby LePro???? You have cue makers jazzing them up and the finish issue really made me angry!

Sincerely,
Kid
Dynomite
 
Predator is fine to me as it was shipped!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the Predator 314-2 shafts now come with an Everest tip, no a "shabby LePro" as KidD suggested. And as far as I am concerned, the finish is just fine on the Pred.. I have been using the new 314-2 since realease and am personally very happy with the shaft. My tip has not mushroomed one bit and it plays jam up to me.. No mods needed for this banger.

Just giving an opinion of someone, and I am sure that I am not alone, that is VERY happy with the quality of the Predator shaft.. I have not hit with an X shaft so I cannot compare the hit to the 314. Like it would matter, the hit is in the opinion of the player any way.

Peace, JBK

Kid Dynomite said:
On reread my post may be a little stern as some one else indicated and that is not my intentions!

I just found it alarming the predator product ships from the factor the way it did. With no finish! With a sub par le pro! Predator should either charge more and slap on a moori or just put one on it to begin with.

You never want your product coming from the factor with sub par tips! So, many pro's play with Predator and Moori combo why send them out with a shabby LePro???? You have cue makers jazzing them up and the finish issue really made me angry!

Sincerely,
Kid
Dynomite
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I've never seen a Predator shaft with a bad finish. They all are cleared fine at the joint end. Maybe what KidD is talking of is the shaft wood...this has no clear coat finish on it...and as with most any new shaft will need burnished up occasionally. Many new shafts feel somewhat "raw" until they are burnished up to the degree the owner prefers. And yes as Joe says, just as Pred tried to upgrade the ferrule...they did upgrade their standard tip to the fine Everest. Even before this...they offered a Moori upgrade on new shafts if you did not want the LePro.
 
Aren't Everest tips made by Tiger? A good tip to you may not be good to me, to each his own right?
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Mr. Varney,

You make my point for me in this tread. When you buy an aftermarket Tiger shaft it is ready to go and no extra expense or modification is necessary. With Predator that is not the case!

For $240 dollars you would think the shaft should be ready for optimal play right out of the gate. If the product has a sub par tip on it? Then why does predator place them in circulation that way? it does not make since and is a resounding reason why tiger is a better product and better company. The tiger shaft I have has a beautiful finish on the shaft. The finish from Predator was pretty much non-existent and the wood soaked up chalk on mine like a sponge due to the lack of a proper finish. When I got it, was I suppose to have it re-tipped and finished as well, before play could begin?

At Tiger Products, this has always been our argument. Most intermediate to advanced level players will buy a cue, get a laminated shaft for it ($200-$250), then change the tip (another $30-$50) and then may even get a leather wrap added to it (add another $100-$150). What we are doing with Tiger Cues is giving you these things in one package. Ready to go!

If predator wants to be competitive they need to spend the extra money on a proper finish and quality tip before shipping anything.

In all fairness to Predator, they did recognize that a tip and ferrule upgrade was in order and made the change for their next generation shafts (Everest Laminated Cue Tips by Tiger and Titan Ferrules). Predator is today bringing you their best equipment ever.

Someone else mentioned you added a saber t ferrulle to the predator shaft and i assume it is safe to say the ferrulle on the predator is sub par as well?

I commented on this above.

With all these issues on the predator dont you truely believe the X-shaft to be better? Or do you truely believe the pie shaped lamination process is that far superior to Tigers 5 piece design?

Based on the cost of the shaft and the changes needed to bring it up to snuff you are at 240 for the shaft plus 40 for a moori tip plus 50 to swap the ferrulle out and finish the shaft properly. So, the grand total is 330 versus a suggested retail price of 199 for the tiger x-shaft. So, the predator pie design is worth the additional $130.00 at the minimum!???

Commented above as well.

That is why I posted my opinion on the Tiger X-shaft and stand by my post regarding the product, quality and value.

I was pleasently surprised and VERY PLEASED!!!

I am glad to hear that you are pleased with your purchase and have found what works best for you. Your comments definitely help us feel we are staying on the right track!!!

Isn't it great that today we have so many options that the perfect equipment for anyone is out there.

These days it just starts getting tough to make decisions :D .

I have hit with Mike Davis's predator and man I could not get used to it with a moori tip. But, I trust you when you say it has to do with the tip differences more so than anything else!

Mike Davis is another story all together. He uses some of the goofiest equipment and tecniques out there!!! Still a great player and a nice guy!



Sincerely,
Kid
Dynomite
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See my reponses above in orange.
 
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Kid Dynomite said:
Mr. Wilson,

There is no product review section to allow AZ members voice comments regarding new products. It does not fall into the Main or For Sale section. Could you please create one? THanks!

I just got my tiger x-shaft and it truely blew me away. All I can say is WOW! I have been playing for over 20 years and am used to traditional shafts. I bought a predator and tried it out but the stiffness was just too much for my game. It was really hard shooting with something that did not flex or bend. It had almost no give in the shaft at all.

The tiger x-shaft has such a sweet soft/firm hit. The shaft is just so alive and full of vibration. It signals the players hand really well. I am not sure if its the ferrulle? The Tip? Or Shaft lamaination process that produces such a great hit. It could be all three! The product was just a delight in my hands and I wanted you all to know.

Sincerely
Kid
Dynomite:D
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I second the recommendation for a "Product Review" area in the forums.

I think that many members would find such infomation very helpful.
 
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