and you Sir play just too damn GUD !!!!!!
Tired of negitive replies
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and you Sir play just too damn GUD !!!!!!
We all need to jump on the trolls
When to stay and when to leave can get to be a complex problem. If a poster is just making casual comments or attempting to be witty it is easy to dismiss troll like behavior. However, when the poster is passionate about a topic and perhaps has some knowledge to share and his or her comments are attacked and belittled it becomes another matter.
Most of us are aware that we are ignorant in many areas and are perhaps a step ahead in some small area of expertise. When our friends and acquaintances recognize our contributions and then we are belittled by trolls in that same area it not only hurts, it is very frustrating when we can’t get out point across.
For this reason some of the more interesting posters leave the forum and we are the losers. It is easy to say that these posters should learn to have a thicker skin. The internet society is evolving and many people have just not learned to deal with trolls. You seldom meet them in real life.
I think that in the interim we can all be of help here when we recognize the contributions made by good posters and jointly castigate the troll. Healthy active confrontations are useful and interesting. Trolls and troll like behavior is destructive to the forum. Those who have posted here over several years have seen some good people come and go and I think that when we see troll like behavior we, as a group, should jump on it (in the usual way) and help to protect our more productive posters. In this way perhaps we can grow a better forum and not lose the good posters.
As an aside, having been there and done that, I suggest that it is not in anyone’s interest to publicly state you are leaving the forum. It is difficult to retract your statement later. If you have had enough then just leave. At some far distant time you may want to comment and will feel much more comfortable doing so.
When to stay and when to leave can get to be a complex problem. If a poster is just making casual comments or attempting to be witty it is easy to dismiss troll like behavior. However, when the poster is passionate about a topic and perhaps has some knowledge to share and his or her comments are attacked and belittled it becomes another matter.
Most of us are aware that we are ignorant in many areas and are perhaps a step ahead in some small area of expertise. When our friends and acquaintances recognize our contributions and then we are belittled by trolls in that same area it not only hurts, it is very frustrating when we can’t get out point across.
For this reason some of the more interesting posters leave the forum and we are the losers. It is easy to say that these posters should learn to have a thicker skin. The internet society is evolving and many people have just not learned to deal with trolls. You seldom meet them in real life.
I think that in the interim we can all be of help here when we recognize the contributions made by good posters and jointly castigate the troll. Healthy active confrontations are useful and interesting. Trolls and troll like behavior is destructive to the forum. Those who have posted here over several years have seen some good people come and go and I think that when we see troll like behavior we, as a group, should jump on it (in the usual way) and help to protect our more productive posters. In this way perhaps we can grow a better forum and not lose the good posters.
As an aside, having been there and done that, I suggest that it is not in anyone’s interest to publicly state you are leaving the forum. It is difficult to retract your statement later. If you have had enough then just leave. At some far distant time you may want to comment and will feel much more comfortable doing so.
And U aint nuttin but a hussla.
Those of us who have posted over many years have seen it happen all too often that good posters publicly state they have had enough and are leaving. The first time we all pretty much see it for what it is, a passionate person who has been antagonized and frustrated.
We all pretty much accept this idea and welcome the poster back recognizing his or her frustration. The second or third time a person declares they are leaving it is not so acceptable.
So take it for what it is, we recognize your frustration and hope you change your mind. Good posters are welcomed. Passionate ones we all enjoy.
We all pretty much accept this idea and welcome the poster back recognizing his or her frustration. The second or third time a person declares they are leaving it is not so acceptable.
So take it for what it is, we recognize your frustration and hope you change your mind. Good posters are welcomed. Passionate ones we all enjoy.
JoeW:
Fantastic post! I agree with all your points, and I'd like to add something in the spirit of offering value. One of the built-in tools of most forums (including this one) is the "Ignore list" feature. I admit, I was hesitant about using a "filter" for my reading, as I always thought of myself as one who can read/withstand just about anything, or escape out of any mess and calmly take the high road. But we all have our limits, and there are just times when no matter how stoic and calm one tries to be, certain folks (trolls) can get under one's skin and ruin the forum experience. (Or, their content is so useless/hypocritical/self-serving/trouble-making, that the mere sight of it makes one shake his/her head in disbelief.)
It's rare, but I've had to belly up to the bar, admit my "thick-skin shortcomings," and <plonk!> a couple of screennames to my Ignore list. And it works! What I don't see, doesn't irritate me, and helps facilitate what I'm here for in the first place -- a good forum experience.
I agree, "goodbye cruel world" posts are not the way to go. Either use the Ignore list feature, or leave silently. It leaves a lot of options open to the person stuck in that position.
-Sean
<chucking!> Very funny, Joe! Yes, I think learning is timeless/ageless -- even in your case! (D'oh!
)-Sean
in the spirit of offering all points of view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2s54WNBwiI
best,
brian kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2s54WNBwiI
best,
brian kc
What the hell is wrong with some negativity?
Sometimes things ARE wrong.
If this forum became all sweet and lovin' and full of homilies and such....
...we'd have so much sugar n' honey that we'd all become diabetics.
Some people gotta go postal once in a while.....
...and sometimes ya just gotta sing the blues...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqy8ER56HN0&feature=related
..but it's alright, 'cause when the blues come rollin' out...
..it leaves a little room for the good things
Sometimes things ARE wrong.
If this forum became all sweet and lovin' and full of homilies and such....
...we'd have so much sugar n' honey that we'd all become diabetics.
Some people gotta go postal once in a while.....
...and sometimes ya just gotta sing the blues...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqy8ER56HN0&feature=related
..but it's alright, 'cause when the blues come rollin' out...
..it leaves a little room for the good things
WTF does negitive even mean? 
Trolls and stalkers are like weeds. They flourish without a little weed-killer every now and then.
The sad part about your post is the last line..... I think the good people don't want to speak up against the shit-stirrers for a variety of reasons.
Sometimes not responding is the thing to do, Neil.
It's called the doctrine of non-intervention....
..stirring things up doesn't always clear them up....
.."Do not stir troubled waters"..they clear up if you leave it alone
..and sometimes you just have to do what YOU want to do.
..time for another 'What would you do here' thread....
..and I promise to vehemently disagree with you.:smile:
And I think the 'troll' card gets played a little too much....
...it may be someone who legitimately doesn't understand or
has a different experience.
regards
pt
Does it take away from the good people's "positivity" to call out the trolls? Heck, I got attacked in this very thread about positivity! Aside from defending myself when pounced on, I just steer clear of where the trolls live. Aiming threads and their ilk are skipped over for a reason.
I certainly feel for MM, but I'm also not going to just have a big love-in either. There are certain places I avoid, and certain people. Not out of fear, just out of not wanting to be involved with trouble makers.
You know you're a troll when your response is designed to antagonize someone or you just start calling people names. Grade 2 has passed. RSB was taken over by a troll, and even though people called him out on it, he managed to ruin what we had there.
Really.........
A simple solution to the Trolls would be a REPORT button on each post. Like Craigslist and many other public forum sights use. The webmaster can set up a number at which the user is banned or a post is "hidden" for Terms of Violation. You get reported by five users on a post and its hidden;100 times on a user and he gets to start over. Or she as the case may be. It lightens the load of the Forum administrators having to go over every single post which is an impossibility. They only have to go over the ones that have been reported to either delete them or reinstate them. We already have a system like that for reputation but it has become something else over time. Dont know what it is now but very few of the trolls ever get a negative rep. My two cents.
There is a REPORT button already in place for the use of reporting posts that don't follow the rules of the forum. It's right next to the REP button. The rep button has a blue line and the REPORT button has an ORANGE LINE inside of the small square box, right beneath YOUR Location.
No one but the moderators and administrators see the REPORT so members of the forum never see who reports an offender.
More people should use the REPORT button. It would cut back on the negativity in the forums as well as muzzle the trolls and the stalkers.
There are a few shit-stirrers who just like "rasslin" in the mud and think that antagonizing others is their personal sport and right. Most do or will eventually get their just deserves.
Just for the record your pink pony remark
Didn't fit with your personal opinion in your description above. So why were your compelled to reply to my post like it was some sissy remark?
It doesn't meet your expectation?
So why were you acting like a troll?
Why did you accuse me of calling you stupid, don't you think people can read back and see your lieing.
On top of the fact you claimed on page 4 to be complementing my post and yet here you are again belittling it. "see below"
All that summed up together it looks like someone like myself that posted this.
Is clearly a troll and a trouble maker in your book.