Sunova...I should have thought of that and saved myself a short story.
To spin or not to spin?
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Sunova...I should have thought of that and saved myself a short story.
Yes and yes One has to first crawl before they can walk. When your first colliding the cue ball with the object ball, your developing your ''baseline'' of muscle memory, the feel of it happening, along with the sounds of ball collisions and the ball entering the pocket.
I thought the OP was talking about learning on a pocket table.
He was. I was merely suggesting that center ball does not work 100% of the time. As a matter of fact, I think the more exact you are in getting shape the more necessary spin is. If you are playing to just an area it might work but when playing to an exact spot it will almost never work. My two cents.
It's also important for a "beginner'' to understand when cutting a ball when the cue ball comes off the object ball, with a center ball hit, the cue ball then has ''induced'' spin created from the collision and changing direction. That is good information. But too much information for a beginner creates analysis paralysis. It's not like throwing a bowling ball. There's allot going on....too keep it simple is the best course of action when you first learn. Have a merry xmas.
The beginner must HAMB to see where CB will go after contact. For most intermediate and advanced players it is intuitive.
Once a person can pocket balls decently right and left should be learned imo. Practice like you want to play.
I've done the wagon wheel drill w out ball in hand and w out using right or left, that really is a good instructor on fine tuning the vertical.
Was playing last night w this thread in mind and hit a shot that just can't be duplicated w out rt or left. It's just necessary sometimes and needs to be learned.
I had a friend who's Dad was real good. He claimed you should never need to get more than a cue tip off center to get the english you need. While I don't agree w that, I have been trying to stay closer to center on english shots and I'm finding I don't need to get far off ctr so much.
Its always a good thing to try new stuff and learn new things.
I've done the wagon wheel drill w out ball in hand and w out using right or left, that really is a good instructor on fine tuning the vertical.
Was playing last night w this thread in mind and hit a shot that just can't be duplicated w out rt or left. It's just necessary sometimes and needs to be learned.
I had a friend who's Dad was real good. He claimed you should never need to get more than a cue tip off center to get the english you need. While I don't agree w that, I have been trying to stay closer to center on english shots and I'm finding I don't need to get far off ctr so much.
Its always a good thing to try new stuff and learn new things.
Has anyone suggested using center ball 100% of the time?
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This depends. There are many situations that I use center ball hits and slide the cue ball into shape. However, there are other situations where I must use English to spin into the sweet spot. My banking system I used for decades is center ball centric. works with 80% chance of me making what I want so it must be good. I think it just depends. Even on banks if there is a ball in the way of the natural return line... I might have to spin to throw it in. I try not do as that gets dicey form table to table felt to felt type.
Hope that helps...
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Shaft: ViKore Shaft by Viking Pool Cues
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Case: Instroke 3x5 Southwest Black Pool Cue Case
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Hope that helps...
Kind Regards,
Michael McDonald
Shooters Billiard Supply
www.shootersbilliardsupply.com
Player: Two Feather Anasazi by Viking Pool Cues (11 of 150)
Shaft: ViKore Shaft by Viking Pool Cues
Break: Predator Break 3 Pool Cue
Jump: Air 2 by Predator Pool Cues
Case: Instroke 3x5 Southwest Black Pool Cue Case
Table: Diamond Pro Am 9 ft with Aramith Tourney TV Pool Balls
Reading and comprehending are 2 totally different things. Clearly you performed the 1st but completely missed the 2nd.
I don't care how good of a player you are, be it just an OK amateur or a major pro, you have to make serious adjustments to your game when you go from one table to another because of all the variables that side spin introduces and the different effects that the table and balls bring to that. So again, I will say this has nothing to do with you elite players that clearly are professionals hidden on a billiards forum that have logged the hours to master all variables. It has to do with telling players that are not anywhere near your level they should play with spin before they haven't even mastered the most fundamental control of the cue ball.
You and Mr. Armstrong, being the highly skilled professionals I'm sure you are, should be intelligent enough to know (if you are any good at this game) that there are people in everything that have more knowledge than skill. So I am not a Super 7 in APA, that does not mean I don't have knowledge of the game that far exceeds yours. Maybe I just lack the execution and commitment to it right now. Besides for either of you to say that you can't learn a thing from someone lower than you is really quite arrogant and I am 100% sure not a true statement at all.
I don't think there is anyone here suggesting that center ball should be used 100% of the time.
I respectfully disagree. What can you learn from a player that is "lower" than you? You have already been there. This is why you try to play with players that are better than you. So you can learn new things. All you can get from a player "lower" than you (and I'm not crazy about that word) is friendly competition.
I missed nothing on your posts. And thank you for continuing your normal "write something that wasn't said," style. It's tough for anyone to take you seriously when you keep doing that. It's called the Strawman tactic.
Skippy with all due respect please figure out who you are trying to school. There are a handful of members here that truly do know way more then most here....or anywhere for that matter. Freddie is one for sure.
I certainly appreciate this, CB, but at the same time, there are plenty of knowledgeable posters here, several of whom I disagree with sometimes, while at other times we might agree. I'm not the end all, but again, I appreciate the post.
Once people start getting odd and disrespectful and all 3rd grade debating, I don't suffer that.
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I've learned plenty from lower rated players.
Okay. I think I'll still continue to play higher rated players to further my education in seeing the table.
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I didn't say lower rated players are the best to learn from, only that i have learned from them. Haven't played many better players in a while, but i still get by.
(skipping your tiresome debate style)
I'll try to type slowly. Here's the very basic piece that I'm sure Mr. Armstrong was pointing out, based on exactly what you wrote, and the implications that we read (yes, standard reading comprehension)
Skippy said:
And so Mr. Armstrong rightfully asks for confirmation that your skill level is at an SL-6.
In other words, you clearly are showing that you (you write the word "we") progressed to some level and that they (starting too early with spin "holds them back"). Why wouldn't it be very obvious to you that "you" are actually part of the "they," and the "we" might be the people that you might want to actually pay attention to? Or you could convince yourself that you could potentially "have knowledge of the game that far exceeds..." those that you aren't agreeing with in this subject.
And of course, I never said such a thing.Skippy said:
Do you think you're protecting these unsuspecting low level players? I'm actually encouraging them to get better. Spin makes this game easier. When I jump my SL-5 and SL-6 students to the next level, guess what we work on? Spin.
If they listen to your advice, they might be stuck forever at an SL-6. Don't you Skippy want to get better than an SL-6???
What???? Oh wait, I'm supposed to be listening to your advice...
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