Top 10 in the world

It's tough to put any American in the top ten worldwide. Shane hasn't continued to improve. He still plays great, but seems to stumble against the world's top players. Johnny is probably still the best player we have and is a threat to beat anyone. He's the closest to a top ten player we have. But even Johnny hasn't had much success Internationally in several years. He does continue to win domestically though, against strong fields too.

Dennis clearly has the skills to be top ten but he needs to get out there and prove it, beyond the Mosconi Cup. When he travels to Asia and wins over there, that's when he can make claims to being one of the best. I'd love to see him try because I think he would open some eyes. Right now he's still an unknown quantity on the International pool scene. Shane is just about the only player we have who goes to all the major International tournaments.

There are some important events, of International significance, in the USA this year. The World Pool Masters (opened up to 64 players), perhaps the new U.S. Open Ten Ball that follows it and the U.S. Open of course. Let Dennis (or ?) win a couple of those and he will be right there.

We have many other very good players here - Rodney, Oscar, Corey, Schmitty, Charley, Jeremy, Gabe etc. But until they can win tournaments with all the best players, they cannot be considered top ten worldwide. It isn't easy to travel all over the world and play, but the premier players manage to do it. Oscar's out there trying right now. He may break through too. We'll have to see.

My top ten would consist of several filipinos, Taiwanese and European players. Look who's winning all the major tournaments. Donny Mills is one more American who might have a chance on the world stage, but he is too busy making a living. He needs a backer/sponsor who would send him everywhere to play. JMHO of course.

Maybe this recent Mosconi Cup win will revitalize respect for pool in America.
 
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negative ghostrider the pattern is full! he isn't there anymore! maybe top 20, but even that is stretching it.

BUt that list changes so often, who knows who comprises it from day to day.(they are all robots anyway, some are just more upgraded models! LOL)[/QU there ant 20 people in the universe that can beat johnny 9ball for the cash.
 
Guys what's with the inferiority complex? As a Canadian I don't understand it. Because you don't completely dominate doesn't mean the US is not a power-house of pool. In no particular order.
John S
Danny H (Remember him)
Cory
Shannon D
Gabe O
JJ
SVB
Rodney M
JA
Mike Sigel (Yes he can still play)
Hatch
Oscar D
Charlie W
HB Bryant
Call me crazy but I bet Earl will have at least one big comeback win Alla Jack Nicholas.

Oh and we Canadians consider AP a Canadian whether he does or not:eek:
 
negative ghostrider the pattern is full! he isn't there anymore! maybe top 20, but even that is stretching it.

BUt that list changes so often, who knows who comprises it from day to day.(they are all robots anyway, some are just more upgraded models! LOL)[/QU there ant 20 people in the universe that can beat johnny 9ball for the cash.
I think you'd be surprised how many people he wouldn't even play!

Jeremy
 
1. SVB. Thats it.

My list?

Souquet
Immonen
Wu
Yang
Orcullo
Alcano
Lee Van
Jung Lin Chang
Hohmann
SVB

Archer would fall into 11-20, Hatch needs to get out there and compete in international events to see where he stands. He should be in Spain right now and we could be getting an idea of where he stands when the competition from the best in the world is up against him.
 
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top ten not in any specific order:

Yang
Orcullo
Wu
Bustamante
Van Corteza
Immonen
Souquet
Pagulayan
Alcano
Archer

honorable mentions:
Hohmann
Van Boening
Ko
Feijen
Manalo

yang is the most overrated player on earth...i wouldn't even place him the world's 30-40 best players...

i understand that he is a national hero in taiwan but he's never won any full field tournament...so i just can't consider him a champion nor placing him among the world's best 10...

imo the world's top ten, in no specific order, is this:

immonen
souquet
feijen
bustamante
pagulayan
orcollo
alcano
manalo
van boening
wu

then

hohmann
van corteza
chamat
archer
reyes
 
yang is the most overrated player on earth...i wouldn't even place him the world's 30-40 best players...

i understand that he is a national hero in taiwan but he's never won any full field tournament...so i just can't consider him a champion nor placing him among the world's best 10...

imo the world's top ten, in no specific order, is this:

immonen
souquet
feijen
bustamante
pagulayan
orcollo
alcano
manalo
van boening
wu

then

hohmann
van corteza
chamat
archer
reyes

Not a bad list there. By the way, Yang may be the best money player on the planet, bar none. That's one reason some people think pretty highly of his game.
 
I have watched Yang play in many tourneys and there is one thing that stands out to me, Yang was very unlucky in tourneys. He scratched the cue ball on the break so many times. In addition to it, he always seemed nervous on the match. This is the part where I don't understand because every Taiwanese fan I talked to said that Yang was fearless in his money games. If you ever see him in practice, you will discover that he hardly misses a ball.

In Taiwan, before major tourneys the top players have to battle with each other in order to be chosen. Even with the appearances of Wu, Ko, and Chang, Yang always got his place in the team in the last 10 years or so. That tells you his class.

Chang can be in the top 10 but I'm not sure why he disappears from the world stage. Also, could anyone please explain to me why Orcollo ad Manalo make it to the top 10, especially Manalo. I have watched them play many times and am really impressed. But I don't think they won many big tourneys.
 
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Almost every American player I know puts traveling for international tournaments right there with root canals on their favorite thing to do list. They all say it sucks. The ones I know who do it a lot do so because of either sponsor commitments, they are on a free roll or sometimes just because they are pro players and that is what they are supposed to do. That may have something to do with not snapping them off all the time. (I know every one else has to travel too)

I think the talent in America is deeper than anywhere but the PI. How many people in Finland or Germany play Jason Kirkwood or Larry Nevel speed? There are more than a handful here and those guys can beat anyone in a tournament match. One of them posted in this thread. The talent pool in the US is very very deep when you start looking at it.

And considering most of the top "international" players have spent or spend considerable time in the US honing their craft, I think it is a bit misleading to say that the US pool scene plays no part in their success.

You know now that I think about it, when did the US ever really dominate international level competition when it was not held in the US? I can think of a few events back in the day won by Americans but I don't remember all that many big international events in the first place. Which isn't saying much because I could usually care less who wins an 8 ball tourney in Qatar or whatever.
 
I have watched Yang play in many tourneys and there is one thing that stands out to me, Yang was very unlucky in tourneys. He scratched the cue ball on the break so many times. In addition to it, he always seemed nervous on the match. This is the part where I don't understand because every Taiwanese fan I talked to said that Yang was fearless in his money games. If you ever see him in practice, you will discover that he hardly misses a ball.

In Taiwan, before major tourneys the top players have to battle with each other in order to be chosen. Even with the appearances of Wu, Ko, and Chang, Yang always got his place in the team in the last 10 years or so. That tells you his class.

Chang can be in the top 10 but I'm not sure why he disappears from the world stage. Also, could anyone please explain to me why Orcollo ad Manalo make it to the top 10, especially Manalo. I have watched them play many times but really impressed. But I don't think they won many big tourneys.

I am not all that sold on Manalo being in the list but I have seen Dennis gamble enough to be a believer. Dude is Godzilla in my book.
 
I have watched Yang play in many tourneys and there is one thing that stands out to me, Yang was very unlucky in tourneys. He scratched the cue ball on the break so many times. In addition to it, he always seemed nervous on the match. This is the part where I don't understand because every Taiwanese fan I talked to said that Yang was fearless in his money games. If you ever see him in practice, you will discover that he hardly misses a ball.

In Taiwan, before major tourneys the top players have to battle with each other in order to be chosen. Even with the appearances of Wu, Ko, and Chang, Yang always got his place in the team in the last 10 years or so. That tells you his class.

Chang can be in the top 10 but I'm not sure why he disappears from the world stage. Also, could anyone please explain to me why Orcollo ad Manalo make it to the top 10, especially Manalo. I have watched them play many times and am really impressed. But I don't think they won many big tourneys.

scratching the cueball on the break is not a matter of luck, it's a matter of skill...
if you manage to control the cueball you just won't scratch...

i saw lots of videos on youtube and i must admit that yang breaks very hard but he does NEVER control the cueball...so i'm not surprised when i see him scratching...

take a look at last year's world games final and you will discover the difference between a champion(souquet) and a good player(yang)...
 
scratching the cueball on the break is not a matter of luck, it's a matter of skill...
if you manage to control the cueball you just won't scratch...

i saw lots of videos on youtube and i must admit that yang breaks very hard but he does NEVER control the cueball...so i'm not surprised when i see him scratching...

take a look at last year's world games final and you will discover the difference between a champion(souquet) and a good player(yang)...

I have to disagree with you on this. If you see Yang in practice or in money matches, Yang control the cue ball very well and consistently make 2-3 balls on the break for the game of 9-ball. Not sure why he could not perform about 80-90% of his practice form. If Souquet battles with Yang on money match, my money would have to place on Yang for sure. You have to be at some level to stay on top of a country for 10 years, not to mention such a "pool" country as Taiwan. By the way, I never like the way Souquet plays his games, too slow and too much of calculation.
 
top ten not in any specific order:

Yang
Orcullo
Wu
Bustamante
Van Corteza
Immonen
Souquet
Pagulayan
Alcano
Archer

honorable mentions:
Hohmann
Van Boening
Ko
Feijen
Manalo


You have a good list here. It's probably a toss up between Archer and SVB making the top 10 imo.
 
I have to disagree with you on this. If you see Yang in practice or in money matches, Yang control the cue ball very well and consistently make 2-3 balls on the break for the game of 9-ball. Not sure why he could not perform about 80-90% of his practice form. If Souquet battles with Yang on money match, my money would have to place on Yang for sure. You have to be at some level to stay on top of a country for 10 years, not to mention such a "pool" country as Taiwan. By the way, I never like the way Souquet plays his games, too slow and too much of calculation.

souquet may not be the most entertaining player on earth but he's the one with cleanest game out there...skill is surely more interesting than speed...and by the way i think that sometimes johnny archer plays even slower than ralf...

for sure yang is among the top 10 taiwanese players for 10 years but
souquet is among the world's top 10 for more than 15 years...

i don't think yang will ever manage to win 3 eurotour stops in a year nor winning back to back stops like ralf did or even winning world championship...
moreover i strongly believe that is tougher to top the eurotour rankings than taiwanese charts...

anyway if they play race to 100 for a big ammount of money ralf will win 10 times out of 10...if they play race to 15-20 anything can happen...

ralf is not a feared money player because he gets so much money every year from tournament winnings and from sponsors that doesn't even need to play money games...
moreover i find it's tougher to handle the pressure while playing in a big final than while playing in a money game...but this are just my 2 cents
 
scratching the cueball on the break is not a matter of luck, it's a matter of skill...
if you manage to control the cueball you just won't scratch...

Unless you stop the cueball in the center of the table with perfect control and it gets kissed in by an object ball. Then alot of luck is coming into play. And at the world class level when a single loss of your turn at the table can cost you 4-5 games it does not take alot of bad luck to be out of a tournament like the WPC.
 
Earl Strickland in 2002 won the world championships against Bustamante (granted with Busta with other things on his mind, like the loss of his child around the same time). Earl was at the time a literal- World Beater. Alas, not anymore since then.

Today, most of the Americans with the exception of JA play to inconsistantly year in and year out. The top Americans play well for a year or two then fade out for a few years. Money or the lack there of has a lot to do with it. Trying to make a living, probably takes up the rest.

Varner, Sigel, Strickland and Archer just to name a few, played consistantly for many years and had the most success than any other American players in todays field of American players. Since then, the rest of the world has surpassed the American players in winning percentage on a world stage.

Pool is just to tough for any US player to win at a top worldly level. Souquet, Hohlman, Feijen and the rest of the world play consistant, champion level pool day in and day out for the US to compete with. Thats enough for most US player not to compete in other countries.
 
I am not all that sold on Manalo being in the list but I have seen Dennis gamble enough to be a believer. Dude is Godzilla in my book.

And ya know what Godzilla does....
 

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I will bet on SVB against anyone in the world in 10-ball in long sets of 100 or more. I'd bet him against Yang too. Johnnyt
 
Where's Alex?

I'm not saying I'll have the best of it. But I don't feel I'll have the worst of any of the top ten lists here with him playing 10-ball 100 game races or more. I'd put money on him against anyone. And I'm a nit. Just ask Disco:grin:. Johnnyt
 
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