Transaction from 7-12-08

Panhdlce said:
Post a address for compansation, unless the shafts have been modified from their original condition or if they are blued from use etc. In that case there will be no compensation from me........ once you continue to use a product and/or tell the owner your more than satisfied with that product, no return, try returnng something like that to your local Walmart.
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Walmart takes anything back LOL

It seems to me the only real problem here is the difference in value from an actual ST shaft and a =r= shaft made with the same wood Eric would have used. The original buyer is happy and uses one of the shafts, correct ?

I would say everyone involved in a selling of one of these shafts should refund a % of the original cost to a buyer. What % they would have to work out.
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
Dispute Has Been Settled.

Phil Has Agreed To Give Me A Full Refund.

Phil Is A Stand Up Guy.

Thanks
Ron
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Couldn't help but laugh when I read this line, I do not know the guy but from reading his posts on this thread and some others, how can you possibly say this.

He has backed out of deals, tried to blame the other person for this and in this case he started a thread to try and discredit your position. I believed at the start of this thread that he was in the right and that you were out of order, only by reading the full thread and seeing the link to the thread were the shafts were sold did I realise he was not in the right.

These do not seem the actions of a stand up guy and I do not see how you could honestly believe that. I understand that it may be in your best interests to extol the virtues of the guy but please as an old work colleague of mine used to say "do not try and pee on my back and tell me it is raining".
 
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Pii said:
Walmart takes anything back LOL

It seems to me the only real problem here is the difference in value from an actual ST shaft and a =r= shaft made with the same wood Eric would have used. The original buyer is happy and uses one of the shafts, correct ?

I would say everyone involved in a selling of one of these shafts should refund a % of the original cost to a buyer. What % they would have to work out.
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We should all probably pay a % since none of our dollars were in action, just our keyboard mouths. :shrug:
 
I would have just refunded $260 to start with, no big deal, but since I'm physicaly unable to work and my sole means of income is Social Security Disability $260 is a big deal......

And Merlin, Mr.experience with a big 0 transactions, I'll listen to what you have to say when you reach 20 transactions or so........ till then keep it to yourself.......
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
Dispute Has Been Settled.

Phil Has Agreed To Give Me A Full Refund.

Phil Is A Stand Up Guy.

Thanks
Ron
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SO STAND UP THAT HE CAME HERE AND SAID YOU WERE "THREATENING" HIM. AND CLAIMED HE DID NOTHING WRONG?

HE MAY HAVE DONE RIGHT IN THIS CASE, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE ALL HIS ACTIONS.

HE SHOULD HAVE ISSUED A REFUND, AND SHOULD HAVE DONE SO WITHOUT MAKING A PUBLIC SCENE ABOUT IT. HE MISLED YOU AS A BUYER, YOU FELT WRONGED, HE SHOULD HAVE REFUNDED. MAYBE A PARTIAL REFUND BECAUSE THE SHAFTS ARE NOW USED, BUT SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT MAKING A SCENE.

I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF DOING THE RIGHT THING. WHICH IS WHAT HE WAS DOING BY STARTING THIS THREAD.

I'M GLAD YOU GOT YOUR MONEY, BUT I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT IT HAD TO GO THIS FAR BEFORE YOU GOT IT.

DOING THE RIGHT THING ISN'T EASY FOR ALL PEOPLE.

P.S. I'M READY TO GET ATTACKED, SO GO RIGHT AHEAD GUYS. I'M WAITING FOR IT. JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOUR REPLIES, AT LEAST MAKE SOME SENSE.
 
Panhdlce said:
I would have just refunded $260 to start with, no big deal, but since I'm physicaly unable to work and my sole means of income is Social Security Disability $260 is a big deal......

And Merlin, Mr.experience with a big 0 transactions, I'll listen to what you have to say when you reach 20 transactions or so........ till then keep it to yourself.......
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I HAVE SOME iTRADER FEEDBACKS........ AND WAY MORE EBAY FEEDBACK, SO I KNOW HOW THIS SHOULD WORK.

IF IT WAS ABOUT NOT HAVING THE MONEY, YOU COULD HAVE EASILY TOLD RON...."I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW, GIVE ME A FEW DAYS, BUT I WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE CARE OF THIS"

YOU DIDN'T THOUGH...... INSTEAD, YOU TRIED TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY. THAT DOESN'T SAY MUCH FOR YOU.

P.S. NICK WROTE THE OTHER DAY THAT "YOU GUYS HAD THE MONEY TO DO AS YOU WANTED WITH YOUR CUES" .......WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT STATEMENT??????
 
I only posted Ron said that is what he intended on doing.
Most of any Money holdings are in stock, which is in the tank right now.
Asking for a few days would change nothing
 
Panhdlce said:
I only posted Ron said that is what he intended on doing.
Most of any Money holdings are in stock, which is in the tank right now.
Asking for a few days would change nothing
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YOU MADE A POST SAYING HE THREATENED YOU, WHICH WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY. EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST REFUNDED HIM

I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE MONEY YOU HAVE, IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS, NOR DOES IT CHANGE MY FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.

YES, BEING HONEST AND ASKING FOR TIME, INTEAD OF REFUSING TO REFUND MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AND I KNOW RON, HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU TIME TO COME UP WITH TEH CASH.
 
i haven't read this whole thread but in my opinion he misunderstood and it's his mistake. i don't think there should be a refund at all. if he's unhappy now (even though he was before, like all the sudden the shafts don't play well because eric didn't cut them) he should try to sell them.

i get the feeling he bought good shafts made out of good shaft wood and if he didn't want them anymore he wouldn't have a big problem selling them
 
i bought these shafts because i thought they were sugartree shafts. do you see alot of sugartree shafts flying around with a piloted joint? the answer would be no and thats why i wanted them.

it came to my attention a few days ago that a friend of mine who i sold one of these shafts to was contacted by eric crisp himself to let him know that he did not make the shafts.

in a nutshell all along thats what i thought i had.

original post does not say that the completed shafts were finished by another cue maker.

key details were left out. it was a misunderstanding. its over
 
Pii said:
Walmart takes anything back LOL

It seems to me the only real problem here is the difference in value from an actual ST shaft and a =r= shaft made with the same wood Eric would have used. The original buyer is happy and uses one of the shafts, correct ?

I would say everyone involved in a selling of one of these shafts should refund a % of the original cost to a buyer. What % they would have to work out.
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I myself had 2 deals on AZ this past month,ist i sold some stuff to a guy,described perfectly what he was getting,he gets the stuff,says he thought it was something different,i said i specifically stated what it was in pms at least 6 times,he said he didnt want it so i refunded his money in total,next i bought 100 superpro tips for $46.50 shipped,did not get them,guy tells me i never paid insurance,tough luck,so i had to buy same tips fr someone else,they came in 6 days later,it said on package $2.45 insured,so my point is i feel good that i did the right thing,its not much fun to be on the other side
 
Misleading?

poolplayer2093 said:
i haven't read this whole thread but in my opinion he misunderstood and it's his mistake. i don't think there should be a refund at all. if he's unhappy now (even though he was before, like all the sudden the shafts don't play well because eric didn't cut them) he should try to sell them.

i get the feeling he bought good shafts made out of good shaft wood and if he didn't want them anymore he wouldn't have a big problem selling them
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Check out these two threads and decide for yourself. Misleading?

Panhdlce said:
The forearm and butt sleeve are African Blackwood. The wrap area is Curly Maple. The cue has rings at A, B, C, D & E. The cue comes with 2 shafts, each of which rolls dead straight together and apart and have a meaty layered Kamui tips. The shaft diameters are 13.13 mm and 13.09 mm. The cue is 58.0" long, the butt alone weighs 16.0 oz. Shaft one is 3.7 oz, Shaft two is 3.8 oz
This Sugartree is an incredible playing cue.

Make a reasonable offer & this cue can be yours
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Links to the above thread is from ;
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=113668

and

Quality Cues said:
For sale is a 2008 Sugartree in MINT condition. The forearm and butt sleeve are African Blackwood. The wrap area is Curly Maple. The cue has rings at A, B, C, D & E. The cue comes with 2 shafts, each of which rolls dead straight together and apart and has a meaty layered tip. The shaft diameters are 13.13 mm and 13.09 mm. The cue is 58.0" long and weighs 20.0 oz. with one shaft and 19.9 oz. with the other; the butt alone weighs 16.2 oz. This Sugartree is an incredible playing instrument. My price is $1,475.00 or best offer delivered fully insured by USPS Express Mail to any point in the continental U.S. Sorry, no trade accepted for this one.
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and the link is;

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=113923

What happen to the 0.4 ~ 0.5oz?
 
Panhdlce said:
I would have just refunded $260 to start with, no big deal, but since I'm physicaly unable to work and my sole means of income is Social Security Disability $260 is a big deal......

And Merlin, Mr.experience with a big 0 transactions, I'll listen to what you have to say when you reach 20 transactions or so........ till then keep it to yourself.......
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I'm sorry, I was under the impression from the first post in this topic was a request for people's opinions, I must have missed the part were it said "only open to people when they have reached 20 transactions or so".

It is true that I have not carried out any transactions via this site, I have however bought items from 2 people on this site, not via the site, one was on ebay and the other was via their website, neither item was a massive cost but I can assure you both transactions went smoothly and the sellers were fantastic. Also if you have a look at my Ebay UK feedback (merlinlordoforder - 314 and not one negative or neutral).

As I said before, I do not know you and as such had no knowledge of the fact that your sole means of income is Social Security Disability. However, that does not change my opinion of the situation at all.

Had your first post stated that some buyer was pursuing you for an honest mistake and trying to hassle into paying a refund that you could not afford within a short period of time and you were trying to sort this out, my opinion may have been different, it didn't. The manner of your posts on this thread and other threads relating to alleged duplicitous dealings cast aspersions on your character in my eyes.

Final point, it does not require itrader experience to know how to deal with people in an honest manner, just integrity.
 
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poolplayer2093 said:
i haven't read this whole thread but in my opinion he misunderstood and it's his mistake. i don't think there should be a refund at all. if he's unhappy now (even though he was before, like all the sudden the shafts don't play well because eric didn't cut them) he should try to sell them.

i get the feeling he bought good shafts made out of good shaft wood and if he didn't want them anymore he wouldn't have a big problem selling them
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I agree with you neighbor. The title said, Sugartree dowels, not sugartree shafts. I might get some red rep but whoever bought the dowels needs to pay attention to what's being said and the way they were posted. I do not find anything wrong about the sale. Refund, how many months later? You have to be kidding me :rolleyes:
 
Can we see some pics of the joint setup?

BENFICA said:
I agree with you neighbor. The title said, Sugartree dowels, not sugartree shafts. I might get some red rep but whoever bought the dowels needs to pay attention to what's being said and the way they were posted. I do not find anything wrong about the sale. Refund, how many months later? You have to be kidding me :rolleyes:
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I know this is an unfortunate situation for those folks directly involved!

Phil, perhaps you could find some pics of the jointwork on these shafts so that some of us could help resolve the issue!?

I think Eric makes a wonderful cue but, -R- shafts are about as good as they get IMHO so, perhaps, someone here (including myself and/or Nick) may be willing to purchase these "used" shafts for a price that will make everyone happy!?

Hell, I've got mixed emotions about this whole situation myself but, I'm really tired about it being at the top of the thread......let's figure out a way to put this to bed!? :grin-square:
 
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