Traveling pool players need Class C Motorhome.

JoeyA said:
These days, few people can afford to drive these motorhomes with gas being so high and many of these vehicles are sitting up in their driveways or parked in private parking lots.

If you have one that is collecting dust and you want to get rid of it, how about contacting : genomachino

That is Gene Albrecht's screen name on AZ billiards and you can send him a PM (private message).

Maybe you know someone who has a Class C Motorhome and you can ask if they are interested in selling theirs.

Thanks for passing the word or calling Gene.

JoeyA
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Having run Coach/motorhome repair shops and auto truck for 17 yrs. One of the MOST expensive repairs was water damage up front on the overhead bunk of a class C. The amount of woodwork, radial cuts and labor time needed to repair that area properly, often would equal or exceed the cost of the vehicle....its one of the more common reasons to sell it to an unaware buyer. Other than that, its apples to apples.
 
I had a Toyota motorhome that got 18 mpg , why did I ever sell that ???????
I wouldnt pay 10 grand for one but 3500 and it will pay for itself in gas savings in no time.
 
Island Drive said:
Having run Coach/motorhome repair shops and auto truck for 17 yrs. One of the MOST expensive repairs was water damage up front on the overhead bunk of a class C. The amount of woodwork, radial cuts and labor time needed to repair that area properly, often would equal or exceed the cost of the vehicle....its one of the more common reasons to sell it to an unaware buyer. Other than that, its apples to apples.
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Another reason why i like the idea of buying a vintage bus over anything else in the 40k-50k range (including restoration cost) If you buy a regular RV, with high miles,and a bit outdated (40-50k range) value continues to fall on it.

On the other hand, if you buy a vintage bus around 10k and add 20k or so into it, there will always be a buyer (will have to find them) around what you have into it. No doubt in my mind, i could buy that bus i posted, put 20k-30k into it..drive it for 5 years, and sell it for close to what i have into it. Always will be a vintage market. Same for old used Air-Streams
 
book collector said:
I had a Toyota motorhome that got 18 mpg , why did I ever sell that ???????
I wouldnt pay 10 grand for one but 3500 and it will pay for itself in gas savings in no time.
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18 mpg would be much better then the 10 i would be thrilled to get in a old vintage bus for sure!

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Island Drive said:
Having run Coach/motorhome repair shops and auto truck for 17 yrs. One of the MOST expensive repairs was water damage up front on the overhead bunk of a class C. The amount of woodwork, radial cuts and labor time needed to repair that area properly, often would equal or exceed the cost of the vehicle....its one of the more common reasons to sell it to an unaware buyer. Other than that, its apples to apples.
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EXCELLENT info!
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Found this site for Toyota Motorhomes http://www.toyotamotorhome.org/classifieds/categories/toyota.html
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If all i had was 10k and 2 people, i like this option. Again, you know after its all sorted out, its going to be reliable. The vintage bus route has to include at least 20k on top of the purchase price, to do it right.

Keep in mind the benefits of diesel engines also. You can hook a cold plate fridge unit to them, run a gen-set (same type of fuel) over sized alternators to charge battery banks and don't forget a roof mount AC needs a gen set, i would not want to be sleeping long term in a class c running the ac off the engine ......Once you look at all things gas vs a diesel, with the extra space you gain, i still like a diesel Air Stream around 20-30k or a vintage around 10k with 20k-30k into it. IF your moving non stop around the US, the diesel option is much better. The savings in fuel with the small gas engine is lost when you compare it to a diesel over 200,000 miles use.
It's a push in total cost to own......So why not have the extra space?

I like both for different reasons. Gas for a weekend trip, diesel for anything long term.

Anyone who is interested in this comparison, can Google search marine gas engines vs Marine diesel engines. Its about the same idea with Rv's
You have to compare over a long haul 200k+ to see the benefit. Only one planning on traveling a long time would care about this.
 
swami4u said:
If all i had was 10k and 2 people, i like this option. Again, you know after its all sorted out, its going to be reliable. The vintage bus route has to include at least 20k on top of the purchase price, to do it right.

Keep in mind the benefits of diesel engines also. You can hook a cold plate fridge unit to them, run a gen-set (same type of fuel) over sized alternators to charge battery banks and don't forget a roof mount AC needs a gen set, i would not want to be sleeping long term in a class c running the ac off the engine ......Once you look at all things gas vs a diesel, with the extra space you gain, i still like a diesel Air Stream around 20-30k or a vintage around 10k with 20k-30k into it. IF your moving non stop around the US, the diesel option is much better. The savings in fuel with the small gas engine is lost when you compare it to a diesel over 200,000 miles use.
It's a push in total cost to own......So why not have the extra space?

I like both for different reasons. Gas for a weekend trip, diesel for anything long term.

Anyone who is interested in this comparison, can Google search marine gas engines vs Marine diesel engines. Its about the same idea with Rv's
You have to compare over a long haul 200k+ to see the benefit. Only one planning on traveling a long time would care about this.
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Nothing like the voice of experience.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA . tell Gene ... The starting cost for repair can be $100.00 a hour. By the the time you buy the essential accessories, that can run $1000.

Wife and I just finish a 10,000 miles coast to coast trip, calculated cost whether to use our RV or our Fiat 500. We estimate $150.00 a day either vehicle. We opt driving the Fiat and staying at Best Western. Total travel day 28 days.

Class B 30 gal gas tank avg [at the time] $4.00 a gal = $120.00 Fiat 10 gal tank =$40.00

RV camping $20.00 to $80.00 a night Motel $89.00 to $125.00 a night

Food we use a cooler

Not matter which way you either dump at motel or you hook up hoses to dump at RV site. RV Holding est. 3 to 5 days

This could be Gene Road song..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orn7xAEKov4
 
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macguy said:
I see these around town all the time, they are popular work trucks.
http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transit/

I think one would make a great conversion. I don't think players really go on the road anymore but for a player wanting to do a little traveling and save on hotels and so on a small truck conversion works. A lot of guys ran around in vans years ago. I once went on the road by myself in VW Karmann Ghia. No kidding, I took out the passenger seat and put in a bed. The back seat folded down and I had my little kitchen there. All I had to do was stop at a RV park and take showers. I would pull in in like the middle of the night use the shower do my laundry and leave. With the tinted windows you had no Idea I was sleeping in there.

These was not a luxury trips, strictly to make money. I would go a few weeks at a time, and I did usually make money, sometimes a lot of money. I have to put it in perspective, this was at a time when a guy was raising a family on $5.00 an hour before taxes. I was scuffling bars and pool rooms often making a $500.00 in a week or more, more then twice what the average working man was making. Hustling was actually a good job in those days. Those days are long gone though. I think a guy would be lucky to break even on the road today, if someone didn't shoot him first. Times have really changed
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Was this in the 70's and 80's? I used a Astro Van from the mid 80's until I quit around 1990 or 91. The seats would lay back and make a bed, had a little fridge that plugged into the cigarette lighter. They also got around 22mpg on the Hwy with the 4.3 v-6 that comes in them. I ran into George Breedlove and Joe Lawrence once in FL, and they were in a nice motor home back in the 80's, and Joe said it was the nutts on the road to have a place to just go out and relax when he wanted.
 
book collector said:
I had a Toyota motorhome that got 18 mpg , why did I ever sell that ???????
I wouldnt pay 10 grand for one but 3500 and it will pay for itself in gas savings in no time.
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If he can get a diesel that gets around 15, he can save a lot of money in a year, compared to some that get 7 or 8. When you throw in 100 a night in motels and 60 a day eating for two people, cooking your own meals and saving that motel bill is the only way I can see someone making it on the road now, along with another way of making money like Gene does giving lessons. I went to a tournament in Cape Giradau and stayed 5 days, and spent around 1,500 after motel, eats, drinks, gas and entry fee's. Its like betting even money you win the tournament. I would have saved 600 in the motel bill alone by having a motor home.
 
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swami4u said:
That's what i'm talking about...Screw getting a new or used plastic rv, real money pits! You get a bus like that one above or the one i posted, and spend the money to get it 100% sorted. It would almost be like a act from God if it broke down and left you on the road. Those old engines will go 500-1 mill
the bodys are alum. not plastic. etc etc.....they were built to go a million. So when you spend the money to get them right, not much to worry about for a long time except reg. maintenance. The one i posted assuming the chassis is okay, would need 20k right off the bat. But for that 30k total, you have a rv that will circle the earth 10 times without a prob. Just wont do it over 55 :D


Newer style used RV's i would shy away big time! Around 40k i would be looking at a retired couples Airstream. Diesel motor-home prob a 34+ ft
But i like the vintage ones, with updated interior work myself.

The reason that bus reminds you of the Brunswick cent. table, is that retro look. That bus i posted is an 1939 not a 1940.
One of 90 ever made in 1939.....

My diesel pusher is for sale, if you are interested. 8 K plus 3 bucks a mile one way to your door. 11k with the boat.


Free if you take my wife


MMike
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mortuarymike-nv said:
swami4u said:
That's what i'm talking about...Screw getting a new or used plastic rv, real money pits! You get a bus like that one above or the one i posted, and spend the money to get it 100% sorted. It would almost be like a act from God if it broke down and left you on the road. Those old engines will go 500-1 mill
the bodys are alum. not plastic. etc etc.....they were built to go a million. So when you spend the money to get them right, not much to worry about for a long time except reg. maintenance. The one i posted assuming the chassis is okay, would need 20k right off the bat. But for that 30k total, you have a rv that will circle the earth 10 times without a prob. Just wont do it over 55 :D


Newer style used RV's i would shy away big time! Around 40k i would be looking at a retired couples Airstream. Diesel motor-home prob a 34+ ft
But i like the vintage ones, with updated interior work myself.

The reason that bus reminds you of the Brunswick cent. table, is that retro look. That bus i posted is an 1939 not a 1940.
One of 90 ever made in 1939.....

My diesel pusher is for sale, if you are interested. 8 K plus 3 bucks a mile one way to your door. 11k with the boat.


Free if you take my wife


MMike
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How much just for your wife?

Ken
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Island has it right. I owned two Class C and both of the roofs leaked. The overhang just can't take the constant jarring of the road. I Now own a Class A and would never go back. Problem with class A is less sleeping room as you don't have the overhead bunk. As far as those diesels go I'd never buy one. Cost more to run and more to repair. Not much to go wrong with a gas engine and Gene being the do it your self could do most of the work on it.
Don't buy one unless it has a generator. You could then run AC on those hot days when you want to go to the parking lot and take a nap.
Just my Opinion.
 
Same for old used Air-Streams
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I found a nice one in Washington that was 99% done for 12 K.

I was so tempted to take a short holiday and bring that one back.

I have a nice GMC 4 X 4 to pull the boat and will be looking for a Camper top for it soon.
I have always liked those.

Where we go fishing, the cost of a cabin rental is often 200 a night. Do that twice a summer and I would rather put that money toward a camper top for the truck.

A cabin is just an over priced placed to sleep as I spend most of the day and night outside anyway.

I like camping, just getting a little too old to be laying on a dirt floor tenting.

I could pull a trailer and then the boat but I would prefer not to be stopping for a fill every 2 hrs.

Last summer I was coming back from fishing, was doing the speed limit, 70 mph and got smoked by a 4 x 4 pulling at least a 24 ft fifth wheel trailer.

I figured he was doing at least 80 if not 85.

Must be rich if you can afford that kind of gas money.

Some of the camper tops are pop ups which would be a little more economical.

When yer done for the weekend, just jack it up and pull out from underneath.

I used to have a cottage. Was great to have a place to go every weekend but with a travelin set up, you can pick a spot on the map and head out.

A cottage is more work at times as well. I wanted to get away from yard work and relax.

As far as that goes, Gene could consider a camper top. That way when you don't need it, you can leave it in the back yard.

They have a stove top, fridge, and on some of the bigger ones, a toilley and a shower.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I found a nice one in Washington that was 99% done for 12 K.

I was so tempted to take a short holiday and bring that one back.

I have a nice GMC 4 X 4 to pull the boat and will be looking for a Camper top for it soon.
I have always liked those.

Where we go fishing, the cost of a cabin rental is often 200 a night. Do that twice a summer and I would rather put that money toward a camper top for the truck.

A cabin is just an over priced placed to sleep as I spend most of the day and night outside anyway.

I like camping, just getting a little too old to be laying on a dirt floor tenting.

I could pull a trailer and then the boat but I would prefer not to be stopping for a fill every 2 hrs.

Last summer I was coming back from fishing, was doing the speed limit, 70 mph and got smoked by a 4 x 4 pulling at least a 24 ft fifth wheel trailer.

I figured he was doing at least 80 if not 85.

Must be rich if you can afford that kind of gas money.

Some of the camper tops are pop ups which would be a little more economical.

When yer done for the weekend, just jack it up and pull out from underneath.

I used to have a cottage. Was great to have a place to go every weekend but with a travelin set up, you can pick a spot on the map and head out.

A cottage is more work at times as well. I wanted to get away from yard work and relax.

As far as that goes, Gene could consider a camper top. That way when you don't need it, you can leave it in the back yard.

They have a stove top, fridge, and on some of the bigger ones, a toilley and a shower.
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I think you are referring to a slide in. I like those a lot because as you say when you are not using it it is jacked up in the back yard and you have the truck to use. I used to have a truck with a topper and you could sleep in it very comfortable. The problem with hotels are, all I want to do is sleep a little and be on my way. I am not on vacation using the pool and bar at the place. I don't care if they have HBO, I just need a bed. Once I have slept I am headed out. That is where the RV really kicks it, total freedom. No driving around dead tired looking for a place to catch a few winks for a few hours. I don't fee like paying $20.00 an hour just to sleep.
 
Slide in. That was the type I was referring to.

Very comfy and like most trailers, the table can be made into a bed.

I hope there is some trade ins at the trailer lots. Maybe be able to get a better deal in the winter.

Don't need anything too fancy. As long as I can sleep and cook, I will be out on the lake most of the day anyhow.

As one gets a bit older, a few extras are appreciated tho.

When you are on the road, you don't even need to pay for a camp spot for the night. Wal Mart parking lots are free. You have propane and a battery back up that will last you long enuff.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Slide in. That was the type I was referring to.

Very comfy and like most trailers, the table can be made into a bed.

I hope there is some trade ins at the trailer lots. Maybe be able to get a better deal in the winter.

Don't need anything too fancy. As long as I can sleep and cook, I will be out on the lake most of the day anyhow.

As one gets a bit older, a few extras are appreciated tho.

When you are on the road, you don't even need to pay for a camp spot for the night. Wal Mart parking lots are free. You have propane and a battery back up that will last you long enuff.
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Some people like to make fun of staying in a parking lot. I have more then once woke up in the morning to find a hundred thousand rig parked a few spaces away They have obviously spent the night there. It is the convenience. You pull in make a little dinner get some sleep and be on your way in the morning.
 
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