Tried American Rotation. It's deeper and more fun than I suspected.

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Just one time, print out a copy of the rules and try this game.

There are a lot of "option" type rules that help eliminate luck and force you to think in any "iffy" situation.

It's not just some gimmicky version of normal rotation (whatever that is). And it's not 10 ball with 5 more balls.
It's got a completely different feel. Running out balls until you can't anymore is not gonna cut it.
You gotta play and plan carefully.

Some interesting quirks:
Your opponent can pass back on any miss. Whether a ball dropped or not.

So yeah, no 2-way shots. But what this means is if you kick with an uncertain outcome,
you may want to call safe rather than calling the nearest logical pocket.
If fail to do this and the cue ball is hidden (which is the usual hope when kicking) the other guy
can make you shoot again, and he gets ball in hand if you whiff your kick.
So if you play a shot from a kick, you'd better be sure.

Not only is there no slop, if you slop in a ball, your opponent gets the points for it.

At the same time, if you hate the leave, you can just pass it back to him like you would
with any miss. But then you forfeit those bonus points and give them back to him.
So you have some incentive to just accept the shitty leave and keep your free points.
Maybe do your best to kick safe instead of passing it back.

If you scratch on the break, they get credit for all the balls you made.

Last 5 balls count double, so it's not the end of the world if they run a lot of balls early.

You start out every rack with ball-in-hand after the break. Making a ball is not required.
So the break is just a way to spread them. The exception is the very first break where you must play
the cue ball in position and if you break dry, the other player comes to the table.
So there's still a little luck of the break, but only for one rack. The game is played for several racks usually.

Ball-in-hand in this game after the break is not like a free win or a huge opening lead.
Even a pro doesn't have to get out with BIH and 15 balls cluttering the table. And a miss/hook is likely on the first few shots.
The other guy might make a fantastic run of 10 balls, dog it on the 11 ball, then you make 11-15.
This would actually be a tied rack - 10 points for his run. 10 points for your run, since the last 5 balls count double.
So if you're in a tough situation near the end of the rack, it's critical not to dog it and risk a miss.
And early in the rack, it's not the end of the world if you only run 3 balls with ball in hand, and then are forced to safe.

Three fouling gives you a unique advantage, though not an automatic win

You get "double ball in hand"... one free shot on ANY ball (so you will logically take one of the 2-pointers, though
maybe you use it to solve a troublesome cluster and help run out). Then you get ball-in-hand again with
the normal rules in effect (i.e. must shoot the lowest ball).

Take a break from the usual games and just try this sometime. It's a really good game with
really interesting, carefully thought out rules.
 
I've had the rules printed out for a while now but haven't got around to trying it. Thanks much, as I do value your opinion on this kind of thing:wink:
 
I'm into my 2nd session and preached the virtues of this game before. It's awesome.

Ya better have a good safety game and kick like a mule, or you will need to improve. (specially now they've outlawed jump cues)
 
To the OP, have you played much 61 before trying USRotation, and how do you think the two games compare?
 
Thanks for trying it out guys, of course we're up against the anything new or different stigma but everyone that I know of that has actually played the game has come back with positive feedback.
 
I like usrotation..we don't play it with bih any where on the table.
your in the kitchen..we also play normal rotation..both are played
as ring games..byob fridays.
 
Thanks for trying it out guys, of course we're up against the anything new or different stigma but everyone that I know of that has actually played the game has come back with positive feedback.

Joe,

I also very much enjoy and recommend this game. It seems the player that played best almost always wins. It really takes the position play and safety play to the next level from 9 ball and 10 ball. I also like how there is quite a bit of pressure to do well on your break, knowing that no matter what happens, the other guy is going to get ball in hand after his break in the next rack.

I'm glad others are getting on board!

KMRUNOUT
 
Watched the stream last night. It was very interesting and entertaining. Hope to seeing you broadcast more Joe. Was really impressed with the two players. They made it look easy.

For the first broadcast it was top notch. Keep it up Joe, it looks like you got a winner.

.🎄🎅
 
I need to play this some. I'm not sure about all the rules but I liked it at first sight. I missed the stream. Are there any matches on YouTube?

I may try some games tomorrow.

www.ABCPL.info right on the home page Jason Shaw and Phil Burford tame both the game and a 10 foot table,lol Phil makes two long sick straight shots, you'll know'em when you see'em.
 
American Rotation is a great game. I like all the rules, especially the BIH after break, the 1 point for 1-10 and 2pts from 11-15, and my favorite rule...NO JUMP CUES. Keep up the hard work Joe. This game will take off. Streaming two good players matching up for $$ is a great way to promote the new game IMO. I never heard of anyone matching up to play Bonus Ball for $$. When people see 2 pros playing it for $ they will jump on board. Johnnyt
 
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