True warrior? Or social media diva? The root of the Jayson Shaw debate.

[dquarasr]

Agree, he does seem like a really nice dude. And I think we can safely assume that Lakey “The Inventor” (right name?) didn’t play three consecutive one handed corner pocket to corner pocket draw shots on his first try. Although, given that he did do three consecutively, who knows? Btw, those 3 shots is one of the sickest things I’ve seen on a pool table. Most things I see on a pool table I can replicate pretty quickly as long as they don’t involve ridiculous masse shots (EDIT: or jump shots). I tried this shot 3 or 4 times and pretty quickly realized it was never going to happen.

https://fb.watch/aIL6bohFPq/

Now i am sorry I watched this video. Reminds me of when, as a drummer in my late teens and early 20s, I worked on my technique and finally watched a recording of Buddy Rich doing things I knew that I’d never be able to do even with an infinite amount of practice. (Rich said he rarely practiced which made it even more disheartening.) I realized my brain and body simply wasn’t wired for that. I gave up shortly thereafter.

This draw shot is kind of the same for me. But with pool it might be more like:

 

[Ghosst]

Oh yes I'm sure it is 100% how it happened. If you want I can show the posts... But you probably don't want that because you already would have if what you are implying was true.

Go make more videos where you lie to your fans that you can sustain B&Ring 50% of your racks for 30 racks in a row Darin. Oh yea and of course you never show more than 1 consecutive rack run..... don't worry they believe you....at least the ones who didn't have their comments erased did.

lol I'm not Darin. I'm just someone who watched you for a year poke the bear, poke the bear, and poke the bear. Insults non-stop. In the end you were surprised he reacted. I don't know why you brought your porky-lies to Demetrius' thread but seriously dude, you're full of it. You are the only person who can't see you're a liar.

Enjoy the thread all and sorry to Demetrius. Just putting Mr. Pants On Fire on notice. This isn't reddit. We all kinda know each other junior.

 

[pw98]

lol I'm not Darin. I'm just someone who watched you for a year poke the bear, poke the bear, and poke the bear. Insults non-stop. In the end you were surprised he reacted. I don't know why you brought your porky-lies to Demetrius' thread but seriously dude, you're full of it. You are the only person who can't see you're a liar.

Enjoy the thread all and sorry to Demetrius. Just putting Mr. Pants On Fire on notice. This isn't reddit. We all kinda know each other junior.

His first post was a video of him running a rack. I responded that I hated the editing and he responded 'go die'. It took one fricking 3 sentence post saying I didn't like how his videos flashing crap around while watching to get told to die by him.

So here it goes:

1. Admit or deny on Darin's first video post all I did was say I didn't like the video and why and he told me to go die.
2. Admit or deny that Darin said in one of his latest videos that he "B&Rs 50% of racks on a good day for a 30 rack span'.
3. Admit or deny that Darin told me he would buy me a bullet to shoot myself with after I called him out on this clear lie in #2.
4. Admit or deny that Darin or his fan boys have never addressed the truth of the claim in #2 and just call people liars instead.

Obviously you didn't read demeitrius' thread because this kind of behavior by social media contributors IS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS CALLING OUT.

So now comes one of his fan boys demuring an argument for him by calling me a liar and not answering the core questions of what this thread is about: social media contributors embelishing their skills through selective video releasing.. This is something that Darin is a prime example of and I never would have called him out on it if he didn't make that absurd 50% B&R claim in the one video I watched with sound on (god knows what he said in the others).

Hell I still haven't linked to the offending video maybe I should so people here get an idea of the lies we are talking about before he deletes or edits it and you haven't either because you know it doesn't bolster your case. Hell almost all of the people here don't even know who we are talking about because he is not a major contributor.

Just let it go man you can't win you can call me a liar all you want but all I need to do is post a link to the video or the threads and you case is destroyed.

 

[JazzyJeff87]

Are there like fire balls and stuff when this guy makes a ball in his videos?

 

[JB Cases]

I believe that might have been out of respect for Cranfield's run of 768. Apparently, Bobby recognizes that as the highest run. The owner of Street Lights Billiards Academy, which was hosting the event, was the person who was using his cell phone to live stream the computer monitor that was recording the high run. He began celebrating Jayson's "world record" run, but then he quickly changed his phrasing about the accomplishment. It was obvious that someone told him to stop saying that.

It's pure jealously. The promoter once tried to claim he was going to sell a video of his high run and donate the profits to charity.

First, he never did it. Secondly the expected "sales" of such a video would be next to 0.

Thirdly, even if he had done it the "profits" would clearly be determined by him and likely not much would go to whatever cancer he was claiming to donate to.

This guy is super unethical in my book and this BS about planning such a contest for 20 years is just more nonsense.

He once told me he retired with an 8 million dollar fortune. So he couldn't figure out how to do this anytime before John beat the record.

It sucks that Jayson's record, and it is the world record is surrounded by this bs.

Cranfield's alleged high run doesn't count. Bobby's alleged high run "on a diamond" doesn't count. My 98 doesn't count. Because when there is no way to verify something like this then it might as well not exist. It might have happened exactly as reported, might have happened with some distortion, or might not have happened.

The whole point of a record is that the occurrence is officially RECORDED by those recognized to be the keeper of the official records.

Otherwise it's just legendary rumor and fascinating conversation.

Lou and Bobby are both horribly unethical people in my opinion and I wish that just about anyone other than them would have been involved in this.

That said, there are now some great high runs on video by some of the current elite players. I like that because it confirms what I have always asserted in that an elite player who doesn't really play straight pool much can put up very high runs when they focus on straight pool.

And guys like Fedor Gorst and Josh Filler prove that when elite players care to focus on one pocket then they can master the game quickly.

So something great came out of jealousy-fueled motivation and that's what's important.

No one will remember the names Bobby Chamberlain and Lou Figueroa but they will remember John Schmidt and Jayson Shaw as the world record holders for high runs.

 

[The_JV]

No one will remember the names Bobby Chamberlain and Lou Figueroa but they will remember John Schmidt and Jayson Shaw as the world record holders for high runs.

FWIW,

If it weren't for this forum and specifically the John S. record drama thread. The only person listed above I would have known of otherwise is Jayson. The prestige of owning the 14.1 high run record is massively overrated by the niche.

 

[greyghost]

How does he do that? I can't get any draw on a ball more than 4 diamonds away. I hit as hard as I can and don't get enough spin. I aim the tip a little lower and have to patch the drywall.

Always remember the impetus of spin is quantity of acceleration….not the speed. You could stroke the ball at world record speed with ZERO acceleration at the prior moment of impact.

They are two totally different things

 

[Bob Jewett]

Always remember the impetus of spin is quantity of acceleration….not the speed. You could stroke the ball at world record speed with ZERO acceleration at the prior moment of impact.

They are two totally different things

Speed and acceleration are different, but it is the speed of the stick at the instant of impact that is important, not the acceleration at that time. What is required for a lot of spin is a lot of speed on the cue stick and a well-off-center hit.

In fact, zero acceleration at impact is a very good way to hit the ball and will get very good spin on the cue ball with minimum effort.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I can't get any draw on a ball more than 4 diamonds away. I hit as hard as I can and don't get enough spin. I aim the tip a little lower and have to patch the drywall.

If you are able to hit the ball hard -- drive it more than four lengths of the table shooting straight up and down the table -- you should be able to draw from a ball in the jaws of a foot pocket when shooting from the kitchen. If you have the speed and can't draw the ball, there is simply something wrong with your mechanics. A video from a couple of angles might show what's wrong, or you could find someone who diagnoses problems in pool fundamentals to help you.

 

[greyghost]

Speed and acceleration are different, but it is the speed of the stick at the instant of impact that is important, not the acceleration at that time. What is required for a lot of spin is a lot of speed on the cue stick and a well-off-center hit.

In fact, zero acceleration at impact is a very good way to hit the ball and will get very good spin on the cue ball with minimum effort.

I could explain better….yes you mention zero acceleration being good for consistent speed. And there are plenty of published studies of players showing a net acceleration of close to zero, except for on the break. (Included a graph of one)

To be Frank I’ve got the issue with deceleration in mind….for the less refined player having acceleration flatlined prior to impact can lead their stroke into a deceleration phase prior to impact….causing more of a push than a strike, and that’s one thing but the biggest issue with deceleration….is it’s happening because additional muscles come into action to cause this….which will result often in errant tip placement instead of as was precisely chosen at the start of the shot.

As a side note I would most definitely say that for softer shots that require a lot of draw….having good acceleration even tho the cue speed is still slow is important. Pushing the ball and sometimes even double hitting it comes to mind on those draws and even when against the rail as well with top spin. Weird squirty stuff happens.

 

[tomatoshooter]

I would most definitely say that for softer shots that require a lot of draw….having good acceleration even tho the cue speed is still slow is important.

That seems to match my experience. It seems like the acceleration is a factor and not the cue speed. To be honest, I'm not sure how much of that is the physics of the tip striking the ball and how much is my physiology and technique. A short stroke with acceleration through the ball seems to generate more spin with less speed so the cue ball dies on contact.

 

[trob]

It's pure jealously. The promoter once tried to claim he was going to sell a video of his high run and donate the profits to charity.

First, he never did it. Secondly the expected "sales" of such a video would be next to 0.

Thirdly, even if he had done it the "profits" would clearly be determined by him and likely not much would go to whatever cancer he was claiming to donate to.

This guy is super unethical in my book and this BS about planning such a contest for 20 years is just more nonsense.

He once told me he retired with an 8 million dollar fortune. So he couldn't figure out how to do this anytime before John beat the record.

It sucks that Jayson's record, and it is the world record is surrounded by this bs.

Cranfield's alleged high run doesn't count. Bobby's alleged high run "on a diamond" doesn't count. My 98 doesn't count. Because when there is no way to verify something like this then it might as well not exist. It might have happened exactly as reported, might have happened with some distortion, or might not have happened.

The whole point of a record is that the occurrence is officially RECORDED by those recognized to be the keeper of the official records.

Otherwise it's just legendary rumor and fascinating conversation.

Lou and Bobby are both horribly unethical people in my opinion and I wish that just about anyone other than them would have been involved in this.

That said, there are now some great high runs on video by some of the current elite players. I like that because it confirms what I have always asserted in that an elite player who doesn't really play straight pool much can put up very high runs when they focus on straight pool.

And guys like Fedor Gorst and Josh Filler prove that when elite players care to focus on one pocket then they can master the game quickly.

So something great came out of jealousy-fueled motivation and that's what's important.

No one will remember the names Bobby Chamberlain and Lou Figueroa but they will remember John Schmidt and Jayson Shaw as the world record holders for high runs.

Could have not had said it better.

 

[straightline]

That seems to match my experience. It seems like the acceleration is a factor and not the cue speed. To be honest, I'm not sure how much of that is the physics of the tip striking the ball and how much is my physiology and technique. A short stroke with acceleration through the ball seems to generate more spin with less speed so the cue ball dies on contact.

How much does your cue weigh? 19+ but under 20 is optimal - guessing for most strokes. In the past 6 mos or so I've been working the throw stroke where you actually release the cue and it slides forward spear fashion resulting in an unerring hit. Well I can't get the hang of it but cradling the cue with the back two fingers and pivoting nearly entirely on the pinky and heel works nearly as well. In fact since I can't do a proper throw stroke, it works better.
I use a 10 or so inch bridge and shoot DOWNward at the ball. This dissipates excessive forward momentum into the table and allows a firmer hit with maximum spin. Don't be afraid to stand a little taller than normal until you get the feel of the leveraged swing. Hint - it doesn't take any force at all. I'd liken it to swatting a golf ball with a putter.

 

[alphadog]

If you can't draw the rock - you are not hitting low enough on the cueball. If your stroke is so poor you can't hit low on the cueball- work on your stroke.

 

[justadub]

Now i am sorry I watched this video. Reminds me of when, as a drummer in my late teens and early 20s, I worked on my technique and finally watched a recording of Buddy Rich doing things I knew that I’d never be able to do even with an infinite amount of practice. (Rich said he rarely practiced which made it even more disheartening.) I realized my brain and body simply wasn’t wired for that. I gave up shortly thereafter.

Not to derail, but this struck me...I'm also a drummer, and what you say is 100% truth. Tho I haven't "given up" playing, I just know I'll never do the amazing things many other drummers can. Same as pool players.

And don't get me started on these 5 year old child prodigy drummer videos that pop up on YouTube and Facebook...amazingly talented little people....i hate every one of them! Obviously not, they're fantastic. Reinforces dquarasr 's point tho...

 

[alstl]

I'll say the same thing I said with John Schmidt's run. Looking forward to the unedited video.

 

[evergruven]

I don't like the "Like" button nearly as much as the old rep button simply because the rep button let you include a short note which clarified why you sent it. I use the like button because I like something, or to let somebody know my post in less than 100% agreement is polite conversation not an attack, or to acknowledge I saw a post that doesn't need a reply. Probably two or three more reasons I might use the like button and the others are equally ambiguous. If I hit mad or sad is it because the post makes me mad or sad because somebody posted it or is it the events that the post is about that makes me mad or sad? Seems like a high level of ambiguity with the buttons.

Hu

I don't mind throwing "likes" out in the world, but they're not for nothin..if I like something you said, I'm happy to communicate that
I also miss the old rep system tho..likes are cool but reps seemed to count for more and it was a neat way to connect with members
ps hu, notice how I "liked" your post, but I'm also tellin you..the bootleg rep!!

 

[straightline]

Now i am sorry I watched this video. Reminds me of when, as a drummer in my late teens and early 20s, I worked on my technique and finally watched a recording of Buddy Rich doing things I knew that I’d never be able to do even with an infinite amount of practice. (Rich said he rarely practiced which made it even more disheartening.) I realized my brain and body simply wasn’t wired for that. I gave up shortly thereafter.

Not to derail, but this struck me...I'm also a drummer, and what you say is 100% truth. Tho I haven't "given up" playing, I just know I'll never do the amazing things many other drummers can. Same as pool players.

And don't get me started on these 5 year old child prodigy drummer videos that pop up on YouTube and Facebook...amazingly talented little people....i hate every one of them! Obviously not, they're fantastic. Reinforces dquarasr 's point tho...

Played some in "High" school. Ruddy Bich took control of my brain at the time. Anyway not much of a resume so let me leave with this epiphany:
Pool is visual percussion.