Truly impossible cut shots

Andrew Manning

Andrew Manning

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How do you convince someone with less understanding of physics that the cut shot they're bragging about just could not have happened in this universe?

There's a guy I play with regularly, who's quite a good 9-ball player (better than I am, at least), who's very good at thin cuts. That's not under dispute; leave him a very tough cut and you'll find out for yourself.

But every time I play him, he's got new stories about cut shots he made, with witnesses to back him up. In the diagram below, I've included two of my favorites:

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In both cases he insists he shot them with a level cue, did not kick at the balls in any way, loaded up with outside english, and cut the balls way more acutely than 90 degrees. In both cases, he has eyewitnesses who will verify that they saw him do it.

I tried to convince him that his memory of the shot must not be accurate; that they are quite considerably outside the realm of possibility. He insists that the positions of the balls are not exaggerated by a millimeter, and that they were just shots he hit really really well.

What can you say to that?

-Andrew
 
THin cuts are one of the few things I can say I asbolutely do well above average...

outside english ? flat cue? I call BS. shot u diagramed with the 8ball I could see making using inside with a slight kick off. railfirst heavy right (inside). OUtside english? no kick? Bullspit. IMO

Second shot with tha exact placement on a 9' I wont go straight bullspit, but I will squint highly suspicious and say, No didn't happen exactly as diagramed.

JMO

~D4\/\/G~
 
Andrew Manning said:
How do you convince someone with less understanding of physics that the cut shot they're bragging about just could not have happened in this universe?

I tried to convince him that his memory of the shot must not be accurate; that they are quite considerably outside the realm of possibility. He insists that the positions of the balls are not exaggerated by a millimeter, and that they were just shots he hit really really well.

What can you say to that?

-Andrew
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FIRST THING I LEARNED ABOUT POOL PLAYERS........THE SHOT THEY ARE TELLING YOU ABOUT, WAS NOT EVEN AS CLOSE TO AS DIFFICULT AS THEY ARE SHOWING YOU.

GIVE HIM 10 TO 1 ON THE MONEY, AND TELL HIM TO DO IT AGAIN. SEE HOW CONFIDENT HE IS WHEN HE'S ASKED TO PROVE IT.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
...GIVE HIM 10 TO 1 ON THE MONEY, AND TELL HIM TO DO IT AGAIN. SEE HOW CONFIDENT HE IS WHEN HE'S ASKED TO PROVE IT.
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Exactly-and solely- your recourse. Tell him you are the smartest MFer to ever walk through the door an you know it can't be done. "How many shots do you need to figure it out for yourself, uh, I mean to put your money where your mouth is?".
 
I agree Andrew. Tell him to put his money where his mouth is.

1) set up the shot exactly as shown in the diagram.
2) give him 10 tries with outside english. No kicking.
3) Take his money.
4) Unleash the Muthaf'in moonwalk and "Whooo!"
5) Feel free to do as you wish.
 
Ok, ok, when do you want me to show you these shots and how much? I'll even do them on the table of your choosing.

Oh yeah, you said the guy was a better 9 ball player than you:)
 
rule number one

NEVER BET AGAINST ANOTHER MAN'S TRICK. however if he claims an obviously impossible(according to the laws of physics) you may just let him live in his own little world.
 
Black-Balled said:
Exactly-and solely- your recourse. Tell him you are the smartest MFer to ever walk through the door an you know it can't be done. "How many shots do you need to figure it out for yourself, uh, I mean to put your money where your mouth is?".
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He's smarter than that. Even though I think he's letting his imagination get away from him as to whether the cuts were nearly that severe when he made them, he at least recognizes that he can't necessarily ever make them again. I tried to get him to bet on them. No go.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
He's smarter than that. Even though I think he's letting his imagination get away from him as to whether the cuts were nearly that severe when he made them, he at least recognizes that he can't necessarily ever make them again. I tried to get him to bet on them. No go.

-Andrew
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Well, that eliminates my suggestion as well. However, it's important to note that with a level cue and outside english and not shooting too hard, it's possible to drive a ball 3 diamonds with a 93-degree cut, under the right (dirty) conditions. It's possible to drive a ball about a diamond with a 100-degree cut. Neither of your friend's shots fits within the range of shots I've seen, so I would be willing to go halves with you if he ever does decide to bet.

As for the number of tries to offer, 10 is not enough. Offer two hours.
 
I once saw a guy make shot B and was so impressed that I practiced it until I could pocket it maybe 1 out of 5 tries. It's not quite as drastic a cut...8 ball a few inches closer to the pocket. The way I make this shot is with extreme bottom right english. If you can arc the cue ball into the object ball you've eliminated a couple degrees of angle. Then, if I come up just a little short of hitting the ball (i.e. rail first by a hair) the cue ball kicks right and the ball goes in.
 
Gurnee_Steve said:
I once saw a guy make shot B and was so impressed that I practiced it until I could pocket it maybe 1 out of 5 tries. It's not quite as drastic a cut...8 ball a few inches closer to the pocket. The way I make this shot is with extreme bottom right english. If you can arc the cue ball into the object ball you've eliminated a couple degrees of angle. Then, if I come up just a little short of hitting the ball (i.e. rail first by a hair) the cue ball kicks right and the ball goes in.
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Yeah, I'm familiar with that shot, but that's not the shot this guy claims he made. He specifically said he shot it with left, not right, and hit ball first (you'd have to; using left if you hit rail first you'd never hit the ball at all).

Anyway, the shot you learned is a very useful technique to know.

-Andrew
 
Bob Jewett said:
Well, that eliminates my suggestion as well. However, it's important to note that with a level cue and outside english and not shooting too hard, it's possible to drive a ball 3 diamonds with a 93-degree cut, under the right (dirty) conditions. It's possible to drive a ball about a diamond with a 100-degree cut. Neither of your friend's shots fits within the range of shots I've seen, so I would be willing to go halves with you if he ever does decide to bet.

As for the number of tries to offer, 10 is not enough. Offer two hours.
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i gave a guy 15 minutes to make a shot once, i had no idea how many shots were in that time span. he finally made it, but it wasn't near as tough as these.
 
The only way I can see to make the 8 is a by getting the 8 to double kiss the cueball into the pocket (we're talking a superman shot at that). The 9 is complete BS.
Chuck
 
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