Trump gets $40,000 for running out one rack

[trophycue]

Curious

Sorry sir, but I have probably played on more different snooker tables, (all sizes) than you have even seen!..You need to provide some semblance of 'proof' for your wild assertions!..Just about everyone on this forum knows, I am not a 'newbie'!..I can back up whatever I say, with facts! :sorry:

Wow.......You got me curious,just what are the facts..........Big snooker fan , didn't know there was snooker players in AZ. Where did you see all these snooker tables? Am also reading about the history of snooker . Not much american involvement.

 

[pt109]

Wow.......You got me curious,just what are the facts..........Big snooker fan , didn't know there was snooker players in AZ. Where did you see all these snooker tables? Am also reading about the history of snooker . Not much american involvement.

There was a lot of snooker tables in the USA when I was a kid...and even more in the
generation before me.....majority were 5x10...but quite a few were 6x12.

Sam Blumenthal was only beat once in his own room, the Canuck, George Chenier.
Dick Huntzinger was never beat in his own room in Pensicola ...even by Sam.
Freddy Salem challenged Sam and Dick for $20,000 in a neutral location...unanswered.
Ronnie Allen played just under these guys.

Cowboy Jimmy Moore was a fine 6x12 player, played Chenier many times.....
....although Chenier came out ahead.

I feel Denny Searcy, in the next generation, was probably the best American snooker
player.....Jimmy Reid played close to his speed at payball on a 5x10.

I remember going through the north of Texas when I was young...most rooms were half
snooker....all ten footers.

Almost all the American snooker tables I played on had very small pockets and knife-edged
rubber, like pool tables.

So at one time, there was a lot of snooker in the USA, but not as the rest of the world knew it.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Wow.......You got me curious,just what are the facts..........Big snooker fan , didn't know there was snooker players in AZ. Where did you see all these snooker tables? Am also reading about the history of snooker . Not much american involvement.

I live in AZ now, but most of my playing days were spent in San Jose, and all over California ..Plenty of snooker tables there!..I played very little snooker, some payball, but mostly golf, on a 6 X 12 or 5 X 10! :thumbup:

PS..Lots more golf played in the US, than anywhere else!

 

[Bob Jewett]

The first black doesn't go in on every snooker table I've played on

About that.... Pro tournament snooker tables have pockets that must match official templates for size and shape. I have seen American "snooker" tables on which the black could not be made off its spot at speed.

 

[RunoutJJ]

Even though the final black was really hard, that power shot in the side made me say wow at least 3 times out loud. What a shot!!!

 

[Tooler]

IMHO, I think Earls 11 pack for the Cheese, has them all trumped.....Something you'll never see again. Not that we saw it the first time, but I'm a believer.:wink:

 

[mia]

This is why they get the big sponsers ,and big money. An incredible accomplishment to run a 147. American pool, any Joe can run a rack of 8 ball,9 ball. When fans see someone do something that is impossible for them, they are totally impressed, and dont soon forget it .

This is spot on.
1) There's more support for the game over there than there ever will be for pool over here.
2) This isn't just "running out a rack". It's a 147 which is infinitely harder and much more rare. It's the type of thing that happens to the average pro snooker player maybe only a couple of times in their career.

 

[driven]

The side pocket shot was even more amazing as he only had 40 points at the time. The frame was far from over.

confidence...

can we talk a little about the shot at 6.32
Snooker guys call it stun run through.

I have to slow roll this shot.
I have tried to get a handle on the srt shot over the years.
I have read that they hit it just below center.
I need to hit it just above center on 860, but I can't depend on it.

To me, this shot is a mystery. At times, I can hit it real good, then others times the ball stops dead, or gets away from me. I simply cannot play this shot.

any comments??

 

[vjmehra]

The side pocket shot was even more amazing as he only had 40 points at the time. The frame was far from over.

confidence...

can we talk a little about the shot at 6.32
Snooker guys call it stun run through.

I have to slow roll this shot.
I have tried to get a handle on the srt shot over the years.
I have read that they hit it just below center.
I need to hit it just above center on 860, but I can't depend on it.

To me, this shot is a mystery. At times, I can hit it real good, then others times the ball stops dead, or gets away from me. I simply cannot play this shot.

any comments??

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to give a better answer, but the cloth does make a huge difference. Obviously they are top pro's, but that aside new cloth does make some shots possible that are really difficult on older cloth, this (in my limited experience) being one of them.

Although I would expect the contact to be slightly above centre, below would create more of a drag shot where the cue ball decelerates as it approaches the white, whereas with the shot you mention the main deceleration occurs after contact.

Also interestingly, the video description says this was the 130th official 147, I'm not sure when they started collecting data, but even if it was only in the 1980's (and I'm guessing it was earlier), they aren't that common!

 

[Bob Jewett]

The side pocket shot was even more amazing as he only had 40 points at the time. The frame was far from over.

confidence...

can we talk a little about the shot at 6.32
Snooker guys call it stun run through.

I have to slow roll this shot.
I have tried to get a handle on the srt shot over the years.
I have read that they hit it just below center.
I need to hit it just above center on 860, but I can't depend on it.

To me, this shot is a mystery. At times, I can hit it real good, then others times the ball stops dead, or gets away from me. I simply cannot play this shot.

any comments??

The shot isn't easy to control. How far the cue ball follows through is determined by how much follow it has when it hits the object ball. That's pretty obvious, but how that's determined has a whole bunch of variables.

The amount of follow that the cue ball acquires from the cloth is determined by how long it is travelling on the cloth (the time, not the distance), and how much friction there is between the cloth and the ball. How new is the cloth? How clean is the cue ball?

The time in turn is determined by the distance from the CB to the OB and the speed of the stroke.

The cue ball may leave the tip with some "negative" follow (= draw) or perfect stun or a little follow depending on the placement of the tip.

In general there are many ways to go forward some:

1 Slow roller
2 Draw from a long distance that changes to slight follow just before contact
3 Moderate and just below center for some OB-CB distances so the cue ball just gets a little follow before contact.
4 For the same CB-OB distance as 3, very firm and right in the center so you end up with the same amount of follow because although the cue ball has less time to acquire follow, it didn't start with draw so ends up with the same total follow.
5 All of the intermediate speeds and tip heights for a particular CB-OB distance.

If you add in the extra variable of a slight angle on the cut, and you want to put the cue ball on a specific spot, there is usually only one way (if you don't cheat the pocket) to put the cue ball on the desired spot. The speed determines how far sideways the CB moves and the follow/draw determine forward/backward distance.

If you want a practice drill, try the "wagon wheel" drill but keep a nearly full shot and try to move the cue ball to all possible positions.

 

[Cezar Morales]

I've read on here plenty of times that a 150 and out in straight pool in tournament play would be the equivalent as that requires a ton of concentration.

Not even close !!

Stuart Pettman a retired snooker pro who was ranked top 30 never every played straight pool or heard of it before but plays 9 n 10 ball.

Went to derby city couple years back , picked up a cue n just ran 150 in his first game n set the dcc straight pool high run that year.
That was his 1st straight pool game mind u !

He told me its similar to snooker but way easier, bigger pockets, too many options , just gotta focus on choosing the right break ball to open the pack.

 

[trophycue]

Good stuff !

There was a lot of snooker tables in the USA when I was a kid...and even more in the
generation before me.....majority were 5x10...but quite a few were 6x12.

Sam Blumenthal was only beat once in his own room, the Canuck, George Chenier.
Dick Huntzinger was never beat in his own room in Pensicola ...even by Sam.
Freddy Salem challenged Sam and Dick for $20,000 in a neutral location...unanswered.
Ronnie Allen played just under these guys.

Cowboy Jimmy Moore was a fine 6x12 player, played Chenier many times.....
....although Chenier came out ahead.

I feel Denny Searcy, in the next generation, was probably the best American snooker
player.....Jimmy Reid played close to his speed at payball on a 5x10.

I remember going through the north of Texas when I was young...most rooms were half
snooker....all ten footers.

Almost all the American snooker tables I played on had very small pockets and knife-edged
rubber, like pool tables.

So at one time, there was a lot of snooker in the USA, but not as the rest of the world knew it.

Have heard much about Chenier, But didn't know some of the americans you mention even played snooker. Good stuff .

 

[AtLarge]

... Stuart Pettman ... Went to derby city couple years back , picked up a cue n just ran 150 in his first game n set the dcc straight pool high run that year.
That was his 1st straight pool game mind u ! ...

Pettman did have the high run at DCC that year (2013), but it was 117 (not 150) and was in the qualifying (high-run) stage, not in the ensuing tournament.

And you left out a highly significant factor -- they used a 10-foot table that year, and Pettman was the only player to run 100, which he did twice.

You're right that he was new to 14.1 (but not to pool).

 

[Grantstew]

For all those talking of comparing a 147 to a run in pool...

Steve Davis, one of the greatest of all time, has ONE 147 in competition.

You used to be lucky to see one a year, since Stephen Hendry in the mid 90s though, they have become much more common. I think players are more agressive in going for them these days.

 

[HurdyGurdy]

Pettman did have the high run at DCC that year (2013), but it was 117 (not 150) and was in the qualifying (high-run) stage, not in the ensuing tournament.

And you left out a highly significant factor -- they used a 10-foot table that year, and Pettman was the only player to run 100, which he did twice.

You're right that he was new to 14.1 (but not to pool).

Pettman's run is awesome.

There's also this years Derby and Melling's 225 run. Melling has had a pro tour card, although I'm not sure what his highest ranking ever was. I swear I read that he (Melling) had never played 14.1 until he was in the states and preparing for his Derby appearances.

 

[BobTfromIL]

About that.... Pro tournament snooker tables have pockets that must match official templates for size and shape. I have seen American "snooker" tables on which the black could not be made off its spot at speed.

We have a 10' Olhausen table, when we watch the snooker on the net everyone pretty much agrees the pockets are different. Ours appear to have a different radius and
do play very hard. It is very unlikely that the side pocket shot Trump made would go in on our table.

 

[GideonF]

Sorry sir, but I have probably played on more different snooker tables, (all sizes) than you have even seen!..You need to provide some semblance of 'proof' for your wild assertions!..Just about everyone on this forum knows, I am not a 'newbie'!..I can back up whatever I say, with facts! :sorry:

Pt109 would not blow his own horn, but he is a former Canadian snooker champion and a contemporary of Cliff Thorburn. He has played professionally in England as well. He was also a well respected pool player.

He is also the friend and mentor of Alex Pagulayan and might be the consensus pick for the most respected elder statements of cue sports in Canada.

You can disagree with him all you want, but don't think you can outrank him in terms of snooker knowledge.

 

[Cezar Morales]

Pettman did have the high run at DCC that year (2013), but it was 117 (not 150) and was in the qualifying (high-run) stage, not in the ensuing tournament.

And you left out a highly significant factor -- they used a 10-foot table that year, and Pettman was the only player to run 100, which he did twice.

You're right that he was new to 14.1 (but not to pool).

Yes u r right it was ona bigfoot diamond !
Sorry i remembered the points wrongly lol

He runs a pool bar in bangkok has been playing there for a few years then before someone invited him to the Us for dcc.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Pt109 would not blow his own horn, but he is a former Canadian snooker champion and a contemporary of Cliff Thorburn. He has played professionally in England as well. He was also a well respected pool player.

He is also the friend and mentor of Alex Pagulayan and might be the consensus pick for the most respected elder statements of cue sports in Canada.

You can disagree with him all you want, but don't think you can outrank him in terms of snooker knowledge.

You are correct sir!..I was unaware of pt's impressive qualifications!..Thats whats wrong with most people on this forum, (like him) wanting to remain ingognito!..How could I be expected to know?..I have always exposed my real name, and all my successes (and failures) and let the chips fall where they may!

PS..In my 60some years in action (I am now 82) very few people if any, besides him, could have been involved in more high $$$$ snooker table action, than myself!