Tubes and Protection
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you can't even learn when i tell you something. you mis-spelled the same word again in your second attempt to call me a "looser". are you not man enough to call me names in front of everyone or are you just coward enough to keep sending me pm's in private? please, i know your opinion of me (and don't care), do not send me any more pm's in a feeble attempt to tell me.
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I find your bravado to be very offensive and as a buyer of many custom cases you can count me out as one of your future customers . You owe Guy an apology. He is a well respected member and was attempting to give you constructive feedback . You will find that you get to the top not by knocking other people's work or having a "contest" but by being creative , humble, and letting your work speak for you .
Justis,JB, Melton,Cyrex, and King are at the top of their game but they all continue to attempt innovate and surprise us with their creativity and talent . I would suggest to you that your energy here would be better spent doing the same instead of attempting to make a long standing respected member an enemy, and yourself look like a fool.
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Roger,
You know, what you did here to Guy is unheard of. Same thing goes to what you did to Jimmy Kissinger.
Just because you are portuguese I can't vouch for you all the time and your word is not the Bible...
What you said here about Guy and before about Jimmy it's just does not going to fly with me anymore. I am ok if you do not want to build me a case anymore...
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Every ones cases are the best in some way here are my thoughts
JB number of designs , ability to call and have almost anything built, imagination seems to be the only limit, great protection.
Justis -Classic and traditional , great quality, attention to detail, resale value, made in USA
King- Very light compact case for it's size, in my case gave him an idea for a tooling pattern and he created a one off that is stunning.
Melton- Incredible leather , IMO the best traditional tooling, fantastic stiching.
Cyrex- Great art , Incredible coloring
Eastwood - Designs unlike any other , Cases that truely approach functional art .
Whitten- A great case I don't have to care about that protects cues well is light , and has incredible "class"
IMO there is no one best . Just depends .
Educated in a "highly" manner and can't spell loser? I'm never the spelling police but give me a break.
...and since you don't care if I ban you...then who cares at all about this boorish argument?
If you want to be allowed to post and sell here, you'd better change the attitude and quick.
Capice?
Those are custom extrusions. You can't really find them off-the-shelf but you can look around on the net at shops who sell tubes in profiles that they have ready-made and try to find some that fit your needs. The GTF style case is two plastic tubes nested inside each other. One long one and one joint piece. In our case we have the joint molded and the long piece extruded.
Come on guys this is completely uncalled for.
The idea is to discuss various ways of building cases and what levels of protection there are.
Fit and finish is something else entirely.
My philosophy on this is that when it comes to protection there is enough information out there for consumers to make informed choices. They know what they are getting from each maker and each type of interior and should choose how they handle themselves accordingly. Accidents happen and if they do then life goes on either with the same cue and no damage, a cue that needs repair or even a new cue.
And the same goes for fit and finish. People are getting very educated as to what good work looks like, just as they already are in cues. So on that I expect that people will be able to be as discerning about the leatherwork they buy as they are about the cues they buy.
As a famous cue maker once said to me, there are no perfect cues. And I can tell you that there are no perfect cases no matter who made them. No matter what type of interior, what kind of decoration, what type of finish etc....there is always something that isn't "right" for someone else.
The closest you can get to perfect is to build it to the highest level you can and find a customer that is very happy with what you built for him.
The idea is to discuss various ways of building cases and what levels of protection there are.
Fit and finish is something else entirely.
My philosophy on this is that when it comes to protection there is enough information out there for consumers to make informed choices. They know what they are getting from each maker and each type of interior and should choose how they handle themselves accordingly. Accidents happen and if they do then life goes on either with the same cue and no damage, a cue that needs repair or even a new cue.
And the same goes for fit and finish. People are getting very educated as to what good work looks like, just as they already are in cues. So on that I expect that people will be able to be as discerning about the leatherwork they buy as they are about the cues they buy.
As a famous cue maker once said to me, there are no perfect cues. And I can tell you that there are no perfect cases no matter who made them. No matter what type of interior, what kind of decoration, what type of finish etc....there is always something that isn't "right" for someone else.
The closest you can get to perfect is to build it to the highest level you can and find a customer that is very happy with what you built for him.
Which part of the thread is uncalled for....just trying to figure all of this out here? The part where we were talking about tubes or the part where people started to get singled out and attacked.
The part where people are getting singled out and attacked. I started the thread to talk about tubes and padding and the contrast between multi-tube interiors and single-tube fabric divided interiors.
You know that I respect you and your work immensely. At this point in my own career I don't really care if you decide to make any case with whatever interior you want. You have done both styles and what you do is between you and your customers.
If someone asked me to build them a case with no padding then I would do it and in fact have done it. I have told them why I think it's not a good idea and they understood and directed me to build what they wanted. I can't ask anyone for anything more than their consideration.
I guess people just don't get it that we can all be peaceful about this. We don't have to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that every method is as good as every other method. But we can discuss the relative merits of each and let that inform our choices.
This should be a pleasurable business. I mean we are making heirlooms. Literal heirlooms. The stuff that our grandkids will pull out of the attic and marvel over someday after wiping the dust off. Some of our stuff will literally be passed down from parents to their kids and maybe again to their kids. Some of it will end up in antique shops and even now some of our work, and I mean the work from all of us case makers, is being held in vaults as prized parts of valuable collections.
Let's just enjoy the art and artistry of putting together bits of plastic, cloth and leather in clever ways. I am all for discussing the nuts-and-bolts of case making to both educate others and to learn. I am not into each of us tearing each other apart.
Competition is fine. When I see you put up something wonderful it drives me to try harder and I hope that I am able to put up pieces that make you think once in a while as well. But in all great endeavors the majority of hard competitors are also friend off-the-field and I hope it would not be any different here.
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WOW, Miss a couple days, and miss a lot.
Although I can't condone the bickering on either side, I will say that Roger is VERY passionate to say the least. His english, really isn't the best, and with such a passionate person, he sometimes looses his cool. Maybe I read Roger's post toward Rusty a little different, but it seemed to me like he wanted to compare cases in good spirits at first. It was until prodded a bit that things went south, fast. I'm guessing Rusty would be willing to do a side by side comparison as long as it's done in good spirits I see nothing wrong with it. I'd love to see a side by side done of all the major builders. JB, Jack Justice, Rusty, It's George, Volturi, etc. I've been thinking it would be fun to do with cues too! I'm always up for product comparison, maybe we could put something together at SBE?
Roger really is just sharing his work. He is offended maybe a little to easily, but as this is the internet, and posts do get mis-interpreted. You will just have to take my word that Roger TRULY is the best kind of people. He is one of the most pleasant and passionate people I have ever met.
It is my opinion that Volturi does create the best case out there. It is a biased opinion, but I can say after approaching several builders with my ideas, and walking away from several for many different reasons, I ended up with a Volturi case. That's why I say it's the best, it's what I chose to get when picking a case.
As to the construction techniques out there, and products offered I have to say that any GOOD builder out there is constantly improving their products and finding inspiration from several different sources. I think JB and Volturi have the right idea with their padded interiors. They are different but have the same principle in mind. I didn't try to squeeze the top of a JB case but just tried to do so to my case and I couldn't. (Volturi 3x6) I'm sure JB cases are similar. I would say that of all the cases out there there these are head and shoulders above the rest right now.
I have owned upward of 20 different cases in 4 years, and I can say I have had things I would change about every single one. I think you will always have a compromise of one form or another with a case, (as with most every thing.) When I went shopping for my case, I took a lot of things into consideration when buying. The number one concern over every thing else was protection. JB and Volturi do it better than every one else out there hands down!
All of the above is my opinion and your's may be different than mine. FWIW, I would like to add, that I regularly carry $5000+ cues in mine, with no worry of protection.
best,
Justin
WOW, Miss a couple days, and miss a lot.
Although I can't condone the bickering on either side, I will say that Roger is VERY passionate to say the least. His english, really isn't the best, and with such a passionate person, he sometimes looses his cool. Maybe I read Roger's post toward Rusty a little different, but it seemed to me like he wanted to compare cases in good spirits at first. It was until prodded a bit that things went south, fast. I'm guessing Rusty would be willing to do a side by side comparison as long as it's done in good spirits I see nothing wrong with it. I'd love to see a side by side done of all the major builders. JB, Jack Justice, Rusty, It's George, Volturi, etc. I've been thinking it would be fun to do with cues too! I'm always up for product comparison, maybe we could put something together at SBE?
Roger really is just sharing his work. He is offended maybe a little to easily, but as this is the internet, and posts do get mis-interpreted. You will just have to take my word that Roger TRULY is the best kind of people. He is one of the most pleasant and passionate people I have ever met.
It is my opinion that Volturi does create the best case out there. It is a biased opinion, but I can say after approaching several builders with my ideas, and walking away from several for many different reasons, I ended up with a Volturi case. That's why I say it's the best, it's what I chose to get when picking a case.
As to the construction techniques out there, and products offered I have to say that any GOOD builder out there is constantly improving their products and finding inspiration from several different sources. I think JB and Volturi have the right idea with their padded interiors. They are different but have the same principle in mind. I didn't try to squeeze the top of a JB case but just tried to do so to my case and I couldn't. (Volturi 3x6) I'm sure JB cases are similar. I would say that of all the cases out there there these are head and shoulders above the rest right now.
I have owned upward of 20 different cases in 4 years, and I can say I have had things I would change about every single one. I think you will always have a compromise of one form or another with a case, (as with most every thing.) When I went shopping for my case, I took a lot of things into consideration when buying. The number one concern over every thing else was protection. JB and Volturi do it better than every one else out there hands down!
All of the above is my opinion and your's may be different than mine. FWIW, I would like to add, that I regularly carry $5000+ cues in mine, with no worry of protection.
best,
Justin