TVmike has proven untrustworthy

[BrokeStroke]

I have to side with Blue Hog ridr on this one.

It might be in bad taste to call names....

But trying to make money on a grieving family?.....seriously.

It would've been more tactful to stream the benefit, give away copies to those family members that wanted them, and then sell the rest, maybe stating that "DVD's of the benefit will cost $25(instead of $20 or whatever the original cost of a DVD might be) with a portion of the proceeds going to the family." Keep $5 from every copy SOLD. After all, editing DVDs is a little time consuming, and being that you are broke, as you say, your time should be worth $5
If you would state that $20 out of every DVD sold would go to the family, I'm sure that you would sell quite a few and if you sold 100 DVDs, you would've made $500, take away the cost of the blank DVDs food and fuel, and you may have broke even on only 100 DVDs. Sell 500 DVDs and you made some money AND donated a hell of alot to the family. You couldve been a 'profitable hero' after all was said and done.....well, not really after seeing all the other stuff that unfolded after Jay made his original post....but I think people see what I'm getting at here.

People aren't as stupid as you think they are. If handled properly from the get-go, I bet you would've had alot of supporters and sales would be good. Even Jay may have handled your fiasco a little better. Hell, he may have waited a whole 6 months before airing the dispute here.
But instead, you preach from your pedestal about how you are being crucified over something that wasnt your fault and play the part of the victim.

Be a man about the entire situation. Apologize to Jay, and let those chips fall where they will.
Don't try to leech of a grieving family. Give to them in their time of need and they will come back to you in their time of want.
None of this is business...Its common sense.

 

[jay helfert]

Mike, since you continue to read this thread and post on here, I will say one last thing to you. Maybe some of it will sink in finally.

When you make a deal with someone (even with a hand shake only), HONOR IT! The only request you ever made of me was to share a room at DCC (which I agreed to) and to be allowed to stream the material on your website (also agreed). At no time did you ask me for any expense money. We also agreed that you would send the original DVD's of the top four runs to me to make copies and sell. You would then share in the proceeds.

Of course this all changed after you returned home. That's when I began to hear about how busy you are and how much it cost you to go to DCC. I could see where this was heading. $$$$. Pretty soon you confirmed this to me, asking for $250 up front before you would send the DVD's of the top four runs to me. Okay, I sent it. I would still make the copies and you would still receive a share of all sales. Then you (and only you) decided that you would make the copies and charge me a fee for this. Your sales commission would be tacked on in front. For a "poor" businessman you were learning fast what to do when you had the upper hand.

Months later, after I received the first two sets of DVD's (20 total) and paid you an additional $160, we ran into the problem with the missing DVD's, that you mailed to an incorrect address (a different one then you used before). You then began using pleas about your impoverished state and threats of suicide as a means to manipulate me into sending you money in advance for something I hadn't yet received. Frankly, I no longer trusted you by now (wonder why). This is when everything deteriorated to the point where I finally posted on AZ in exasperation.

That led us to here and your endless posts that have no bearing on anything that transpired between us. I think the final straw was when you used our situation to hold the Dawn Fital Memorial hostage. Mike, you have used extortion, suicidal threats, pleas of poverty and withholding on your agreements as bargaining tools. Simply put, it is no way to achieve your goals. I hope for your sake you learn something from this experience. During the time we spent together in Louisville, you appeared to be a rational human being. After reading all your posts on here, I no longer feel that way. This will be my last post on this thread. My wish is that it be put to bed soon.

 

[jason]

Forum Rules -- Mr. Wilson - "No name calling nor insults."

Mike, you are an idiot.

Mr. Wilson, you can ban me for the above statement if you see fit.
This thread is going nowhere and needs to die.

 

[cuesmith]

Mike, since you continue to read this thread and post on here, I will say one last thing to you. Maybe some of it will sink in finally.

When you make a deal with someone (even with a hand shake only), HONOR IT! The only request you ever made of me was to share a room at DCC (which I agreed to) and to be allowed to stream the material on your website (also agreed). At no time did you ask me for any expense money. We also agreed that you would send the original DVD's of the top four runs to me to make copies and sell. You would then share in the proceeds.

Of course this all changed after you returned home. That's when I began to hear about how busy you are and how much it cost you to go to DCC. I could see where this was heading. $$$$. Pretty soon you confirmed this to me, asking for $250 up front before you would send the DVD's of the top four runs to me. Okay, I sent it. I would still make the copies and you would still receive a share of all sales. Then you (and only you) decided that you would make the copies and charge me a fee for this. Your sales commission would be tacked on in front. For a "poor" businessman you were learning fast what to do when you had the upper hand.

Months later, after I received the first two sets of DVD's (20 total) and paid you an additional $160, we ran into the problem with the missing DVD's, that you mailed to an incorrect address (a different one then you used before). You then began using pleas about your impoverished state and threats of suicide as a means to manipulate me into sending you money in advance for something I hadn't yet received. Frankly, I no longer trusted you by now (wonder why). This is when everything deteriorated to the point where I finally posted on AZ in exasperation.

That led us to here and your endless posts that have no bearing on anything that transpired between us. I think the final straw was when you used our situation to hold the Dawn Fital Memorial hostage. Mike, you have used extortion, suicidal threats, pleas of poverty and withholding on your agreements as bargaining tools. Simply put, it is no way to achieve your goals. I hope for your sake you learn something from this experience. During the time we spent together in Louisville, you appeared to be a rational human being. After reading all your posts on here, I no longer feel that way. This will be my last post on this thread. My wish is that it be put to bed soon.

Jay, Very well said!
Mike, Jay just gave you some good advice. You should heed it!

 

[APA7]

That’s what I’ve learned from this thread and that has been the constant of my life getting screwed in almost every single one of my endeavors in life for being the evolved person who shares himself with the world. So really why is it no surprise here.

No wonder U and Buffalo Jason Hunt get along, U R 2 birds of a feather

 

[flash5153]

wow.. that's all I can say. I just wasted 90 mins of my life. It's amazing what I just read. All you have to do is punch in words like Mike Warden, Conquer the World, BigCD and you are in for a ride.:smile:

Any you know where this ride takes you? It takes you right back to page 1 of this thread. The entire community that has read or posted in this thread, are all concerned that there is no responsibility being taken on Mike's part for all the screwing going on.

If you might think this is something that just came up... I learned that it goes to 2002 at least. If you read this thread, you will feel like you are in a time warp with this thread. It's all the same thing. A whole mess of people complaining they got screwed and Mike does what MIke does best. Act like he's the victim. I urge you to read this thread. It starts out where people are wondering why they aren't getting their DVD's they ordered. Then you get to see the mastery of a con man milking some more time out of the situation. (and taking more orders at the same time) Then you find out that someone found a post on his own website, stating that he took all these people's money and used it to put into some band.

I"m telling you this is fascinating stuff, to read how it is always everyone's else fault. That HE is the victim. Enjoy... and I'm sure you will agree that 9 years ago is the same as today.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/archive/t-168578.html

But the other 60 mins I wasted was reading all the complaints from everywhere, from everyone. It's just one after another and they all have a guest appearance by Mike stating how HE's the one that's being hosed.

There's even a pyramid scheme to boot

Anyone looking for a apology here or a admission of guilt, are going to be disappointed. Ain't going to happen.

I do not brag about myself ever, but there is one area where I am one of the best, and I can feel comfortable saying something every now and then. I am a expert in the IT world. So hearing someone say this....



leaves me in tears.

It's all clear now, why the bad blood (I call it "Bad Memory") stream could have been fixed, but was not. We're talking one of the best in the country, one of the top streamers in the world.. it really came down to this.

He did not see the problem on his screen.

If he would have seen the problem on the screen, he could have fixed it right away.

Think about it... A PC, a "screen"

Aside from a power supply smoking, or cpu fan grinding away, pretty much everything that a PC does, is shown on the "screen", so being able to troubleshoot something from the "screen"... well, just isn't that special

WOW!!! And this takes yet another twist!!! Mike are you saying you are not "Mike BIGCD"??? Really???

A guy selling CDs,,thinks he center of the universe,,taking time off for a band leaving people wondering where their orders are.
Click the link above and it goes on and on!! Just amazing.

I can see why this small misunderstanding with Jay just don't seem like much compared to what has happened with you. Now I say,,,,GREAT job JAY for catching this early,,,you may have saved someone some serious issues!!

Here's one quote off that site from 2002: (one of hundreds!!)

Mike BigCD
02-14-02, 07:34 PM
Hello I was not around a computer for 3 days so I had no idea this was going on here. I do not appreciate the level of personal attacks here. I have a personal life you know and if I spend money I make on myself for dinner, for bills or for my record company then it's my business. BigCD finances my record company and it pays for my trips to taco bell or whatever else I pay for.

I don't have all the money for the orders. I never even got most of it up until the other day. They released some of it to me but they still are holding $10,000 of your money which is to pay for orders.

I am still trying to work it all out to get the orders out but Ingram doesn't care much or put much of a concern on the orders. I also had big discrepency with my bank as it appeared than the money that half.com sent to me was reversed then taken out for 2 days my bank account read -$36,000. I could not even cash a check from some CD sales because the account was on hold. So instead of raking myself in personal torment over this situation I had band practice a couple days and only now have I returned.

I am not a thief, nor a scam artist and I'm definitely not a criminal so it
would be nice to not hear people calling me that. I don't have your money
Ingram has it holding it pending what we decide to do between the three
parties. If anything I'm guilty of having hot pots in the oven and having to
divide my attention to both of them. The worst comes I'll declare bankruptcy
because I won't let this ruin my life because it's not in my hands. I am a
small fish and there are much larger ones in control. For god sakes I live
with my mom so i can cut all my expenses so I can operate while the business
grows. The business can't function unless people let it function. My credit
was revoked because people did not pay me money they owed my card processor
that is. Not to mention my advertising on dVd talk, my campaigns on
pricegrabber.com, bargainflix, and dvdpricesearch.com, my server and
internet bill they are all monthly expenses that money was taken out for.

Well anyways I have so many things to catch up on. Nothing is going to be
resolved today we tried to conference call in half, ingram but they didn't
answer.

Mike


It's very easy to tell it is you,,are you kidding??

 

[Nostroke]

Am i reading this right? A dollar for family members?

I hate to pile on but how many family members could there be? I would think 30 would be a lot but lets say 50. For fifty bucks you buy a zillion dollars worth of ill will? What kind of business decision is that? Did you think that would go unnoticed?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I think this thread should never die. I certainly hope Mike and Mr. Wilson see the value in leaving this thread up --- no matter what. More harm will come from pulling it than leaving it up, no matter what the posts are.

It's a public service announcement to leave this thread up. Or, close it and make it a sticky.

 

[sde]

I think this thread should never die. I certainly hope Mike and Mr. Wilson see the value in leaving this thread up --- no matter what. More harm will come from pulling it than leaving it up, no matter what the posts are.

It's a public service announcement to leave this thread up. Or, close it and make it a sticky.

+1 for making it a sticky

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Someone mentioned above, "But trying to make money on a grieving family?.....seriously."

That is what the NEWS Media does on a daily basis, prints, televises, and talk about all the bad stuff happen in the World. Only on totally slow News day do you hear good News, or human interest stories.

The reason the Real Media spends some much time covering Bad News s this it what sell paper as they use to say.

NUFF SAID ON THE SUBJECT!

The reason the Real Media spends some much time covering Bad News s this it what sell paper as they use to say.

 

[dashaw]

Life is short

I have followed this thread since the beginning and did not post anything because I didn't want to take sides. On that note I will say this at the end of the day or the end of our lives all we have is our word and how we conducted ourselves through this journey.


"Macbeth"

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Someone mentioned above, "But trying to make money on a grieving family?.....seriously."

That is what the NEWS Media does on a daily basis, prints, televises, and talk about all the bad stuff happen in the World. Only on totally slow News day do you hear good News, or human interest stories.

The reason the Real Media spends some much time covering Bad News s this it what sell paper as they use to say.

NUFF SAID ON THE SUBJECT!

The reason the Real Media spends some much time covering Bad News s this it what sell paper as they use to say.

This wasn't even a comment ON THE SUBJECT. Why don't you just make a post about how terrible it is that Michael Vick was making money in dog fighting and how the REAL criminals are the mortgage lenders and how they're forcing this country into another depression.

Let's get back to the topic of the thread and see if Mike ever (he has not up to this post) explains why he changed his verbal agreement with Jay. His explanation of why he's charging for Dawn's memorial tournament was made: He's trying to make money for himself (versus benefiting the family of the deceased). So, at least he cleared that one up.

 

[Rich93]

The thread should probably be closed but by all means leave it up where it can be read. It's like a public service announcement, just like the 2002 thread that CaliRed found on Mike's previous business dealings.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

This wasn't even a comment ON THE SUBJECT. Why don't you just make a post about how terrible it is that Michael Vick was making money in dog fighting and how the REAL criminals are the mortgage lenders and how they're forcing this country into another depression.

Let's get back to the topic of the thread and see if Mike ever (he has not up to this post) explains why he changed his verbal agreement with Jay. His explanation of why he's charging for Dawn's memorial tournament was made: He's trying to make money for himself (versus benefiting the family of the deceased). So, at least he cleared that one up.

Yeah, let's perform a public service by making this thread into a sticky. For all perpetuity, everyone can see us for the fools we are.

Dashaw's quote from Macbeth says it best:

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing​

Carry on, Spidey!

 

[justadub]

The thread should probably be closed but by all means leave it up where it can be read. It's like a public service announcement, just like the 2002 thread that CaliRed found on Mike's previous business dealings.

+1 on this! :thumbup:

PLEASE don't delete it. Close it, sure. It has run it's course, certainly. But ya gotta leave it for others to read, and come to their own conclusions, based on what has been presented.

 

[ribdoner]

I have addressed every single little question every single time someone asked for it. Just because you haven’t read and comprehended it doesn’t mean I can sit here and type things again. You will believe whatever you want to believe just like the matrix. You read and understand it anyway you want to understand it according to your cognitive dissonance already.
That’s what I’ve learned from this thread and that has been the constant of my life getting screwed in almost every single one of my endeavors in life for being the evolved person who shares himself with the world. So really why is it no surprise here.

when i visit some of your posts i hear the theme song from "OUTER LIMITS"...bizarre

 

[TVmike]

Again, I don’t have the energy to continually go over and over the same points that have been proven in my favor time and time again. I tell you the story and then you believe what you want to believe and even create your own details of it.

I finally figured out why it is that people do not relate or understand the issues when I communicate to them because thoroughly I explain myself openly and honest and then people completely misunderstand everything. I was just about to goto sleep last night I was in a lucid state for those of you who don’t know what that means it means it’s a state between sleep and being awake. It is a time where the brain can work very creatively and I know that many of my concepts and ideas I have thought of in my lifetime have come to me at this time. Either right before I goto sleep at night or right before I wake up.

I live my life according to my reality, my being has always known to be different than other people on many levels especially in the way I communicate with people from the heart with no strings never trying to hide anything. You can’t see or comprehend my language because you do not share this perceived reality. You do not see things the way I do. It comes down to you hate me for being different. It’s about that simple.
You are all suffering from what I talked about last night and that is confirmation bias. To reiterate, Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.[Note 1][1] As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way. The biases appear in particular for emotionally significant issues and for established beliefs.

Let me give you an example. If I say that 1 + 1 = 2 your bias well then reprogram the story to say 1 + 1 = 3 so you twist the story into an inaccuracy of the truth and you do this because you simply have an aversion to me. Simply put you sub consciously operate completely different emotionally and communicatively than I do so you simply will come to your own already negative perception of what I am saying even though the statement of 1 + 1 = 2 is the truth.

I have seen this happen over 10 times in this thread. You do not culturally or subconsciously identify with someone who is able to communicate with no lies, hides or fears. You do not identify with someone who has no interest or motive for making money or creating something never solely for the derision of such profit. In other words you can’t understand that I have never done anything strictly for money or monetary gain. Everytime I ever engaged a concept from my ideas it has been from the left brain or my artistic creative and logical side.

I tell you that it will cost me $100 to come out of pocket to do this benefit event regardless if it’s a benefit for a friend for a good cause or not it’s STILL going to cost me $100. So say that I want to do this event because I do and it was the right thing to do despite it costing $100 and say I only have $25 dollars for gas. The true hard fact is no matter how much I want to do this event it cannot be done because the numbers do not add up. The event will cost 100 and I have 25. Logically it cannot be done. There is not enough resources. But I do it anyway and come out of pocket from money that has been reserved to pay bills. I have no idea where this money is going to come from to replace this money at all. So hence I will not be able to pay bills. The rent is due so to speak and I’m half short. This is simple math. My expenses are X and I have Y then it cannot be done yet I do it anyways because I do not operate on the plane of mental consciousness that cares about this “money” concept. I truly do not want to care about money but I am forced to care about it.

So when I ask people to support this good cause and get this DVD and I would like to be able to give family members copies at cost and to do that I would like you to spend $8 to get a copy since you are not of the family you think this is me trying to take advantage of a situation. When it is really this simple. I make and sell DVDS for pool matches all the time the only difference is this time I authored the disc differently so everyone could have all the personal stories about Dawn to share. The stories were told between matches. So I figured out how to put all the matches in one place plus the testimonials. If anything this DVD is one of my best productions yet where else can you have 12 hours of video on one disc. There is more value here than any other of my productions which is even more reason to check it out.

There is no difference in what I did here and making a DVD of a 2k action game except I wanting to provide more copies to a select group at cost and not get any positive flow from them. So if I charge you $8 to get this DVD your getting it the same as if I sold that 2k match. Just because the event itself is a benefit doesn’t mean that work can be free and that the money from the sales can outwardly be donated. I already donated my time and resources that I did not have in the first place. Remember 100 x vs 25 y ?

Your confirmation bias reads this as this guy is trying to make money off a memorial tournament? I am simply as I do with any of my DVDS trying to recompense myself the out of pocket costs I spend on a regular basis to bring people my channel and programming.

It is absolutely offensive that you think this is some sort of scheme? Any of you. I knew Dawn and my girlfriend was good friends with her and the day before she was killed we saw her play. We have the last photo ever taken of her that we know of. The whole thing is yes a tragedy, but if I am going to be the one to do the work on the video and provide DVDS to people it cannot be done for free. There are no resources. If someone wants to donate $500 so I can make 500 DVDS and give them out to every single pool player I ever see so they would know the legend of Dawn I would but I cannot do that. It is a logical and unreal possibility because I do not have the resources to facilitate it.

--- Jay I’m done with it, you still are clinging to this prehistoric story that has no merit and just because you are Jay Helfert they will believe anything you say. It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not or that you have been caught countless times in deceptions out of your own mouth and words. You still owe the money for the DVDS of work provided which you are selling or are you a man that lets someone else pay their debts?

By the way I’m sorry I broke our agreement that stated I would come out pocket $900 then further spend I would imagine over 100 hours of work time to hopefully get a portion of the money of the proceeds of DVDS one day a year later. I’m really sorry about that. I’m really sorry I’m such a bad guy for donating 100 hours of work time on the computer.

Truely i am sorry for giving of myself so much and repeatedly being taken advantage of.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

This wasn't even a comment ON THE SUBJECT. Why don't you just make a post about how terrible it is that Michael Vick was making money in dog fighting and how the REAL criminals are the mortgage lenders and how they're forcing this country into another depression.

You point is good, and my point was the REAL NEWS Media is as guilty on a daily basis of profiting off bad news, and other tragic news events. A good example was the coverage of everything having to do with the death of Princess Di of England. BTW I think Vick should be barred from the NFL, but the NFL makes the Rules, not me.

Let's get back to the topic of the thread and see if Mike ever (he has not up to this post) explains why he changed his verbal agreement with Jay. His explanation of why he's charging for Dawn's memorial tournament was made: He's trying to make money for himself (versus benefiting the family of the deceased). So, at least he cleared that one up.[/QUOTE]

As far as TVmike goes he has made a statement just above this post. That is the reason I have gone back and edited my post.


You point is good, and my point was the REAL NEWS Media is as guilty on a daily basis of profiting off bad news, and other tragertys. Agood example was the coverage of everything having to do with the death of Princess Di of Great Britten..

Let's get back to the topic of the thread and see if Mike ever (he has not up to this post) explains why he changed his verbal agreement with Jay. His explanation of why he's charging for Dawn's memorial tournament was made: He's trying to make money for himself (versus benefiting the family of the deceased). So, at least he cleared that one up.[/QUOTE]

As far as TVmike goes he has made a statement just above this post. That is the reason I have gone back and edited my post.

 

[barboxplr]

is this the same guy that was acting like he owed the place for the one pocket challange and stood infront of the door blocking the view or several people who wanted to watch. i have been to the dcc for the last 7 years and this was one of the most rude guys i ever met. he had no respect for the people trying to watch he just stood there like we all owed him something. and it wasnt only me who thought that because of the course of the week i heard several people comment on him and the all had the same opinion

 

[manwon]

I don't even know what I've done wrong at all. I didn't **** anyone out of any money I didn't not get DVDS made when paid for them, I didn't not send orders out when ordered. So I have no idea what I did because I'm doing TONS and tons of work for FREE yet because I express myself I am judged for it. Too many double negatives in these sentences but I don’t know how to put it.

I don't know to talk any other way I do not know how to lie to people because I don't do it, I do not know to put on a fake "business" face. I cannot communicate to others without being open and honest it's never been about business so how am I a bad business person? It's not business at all.

I'm not hurt I'm confused because why wouldn't someone want to support getting DVDS, just because of the way I communicate.

If that’s the case I have no mind saying anything to anyone or doing anything ever. I should just stop existing because people cannot handle the way I communicate?

I honestly do not know how to be someone else. I can't pretend to be someone else. Yes I'm wrong evidently for communicating personally because I just get chastised for it. I don't do things for sole monetary benefit or desire. I don't lie, I don't steal, I don't scam people and I do countless and umpteen amounts of work for FREE with no interest of getting anything but I can't just keep doing it when I come out of pocket.

I was asked to do the benefit and they wanted DVDS but if I have to come out of my pocket why and how am I scorned when I put a price on something that i need to do to even pay for the work I did for free?

I can't sit here and spend 10 hours of video work burn a hundred dvds and pass them out for free just because everyone loved Dawn yet thats what people want me to do. I had no money for gas even or a car to get to the event yet I had to do the event because it was the right thing to do. So it was done and yet again I sit and struggle with even having the money pay my monthly expenses.


I don't have the resources to do anything at this point the economy has destroyed everything and I'm very lucky and fortunate to still have marketing clients because i do a great job for them. I am very smart and conceptually creative, effective and technically proficient. I care about people and I have always wanted to help artists and contribute to producing musicians and people that don’t have the knowledge to do things themselves. They don’t have the brain power I do. Not everyone knows how to produce records or has the guts to do it speaking historically from my past. I didn’t put out records to make money, if I did I would of ended up putting out a bunch of creatively voided crap. I never did that.

I'm trying to understand but I can't understand. I cannot believe because I share and give of myself emotionally that people can just love to hate me for it. It shows negative and terrible traits for people to have in humanity.

I have always looked at life differently than other people even before I researched conspiracies. Even before I woke up from forced false reality.

I don't know how to be someone else I just have always tried to be the best I could.

Mike from all I gathered from thread you broke a very important rule in business, you have proven that you word was no good. When you make a deal with someone whether verbal or written the deal is done, you can't go back and change things to suit your current situation even if it mean taking a loss.

it is better to say nothing at all than to say something without think through what the results of words will be.

Like said before man up and do the right thing, people are forgiving when honesty even in a situation that has gone bad is brought forward, just be honest and admitting your mistakes is where to have to start. More of the same bull shit that created all these pages of thread is the last thing you need to continue with.

Good Luck Dude