Two-Foul 9 Ball

[Mikjary]

I played Danny some two foul push out in Denver years ago. What an offensive shot maker he was! Unless I rolled out to a ridiculous shot, he fired it in. He turned straight back banks with a smack in the back of the pockets on those fast Gold Crowns where he hung out at Colfax Billiards.

The only way to hang with him was to play two way shots and force him to roll out. He pushed out to long cuts and tough banks. He shot 'em, too. Rarely tried to safe me. When you shoot that well, you don't have to duck.

Best,
Mike

 

[SJDinPHX]

You spend all this time & energy writing up a post that's totally non-responsive to what I wrote (and you quoted), you throw in all this bait and don't even get a nibble. Must be cause for depression. Of course, you always have the other thread to tell everyone how great you were.

ONB

ONB, I have given up trying to communicate with CJ !..I see we are of the same mindset (Re; CJ) So let me quote you, with my message to him, and hope maybe he sees it..You are right, he will probably ignore it, and revert to his favorite subject....HIM !


Mr. CJ Wiley, sir,

Hard as this may be, for you to accept..it is obvious we have come to an impasse..One of the reasons, is your refusal to accept, and completely ignore, the “time line” element, in our debate’s !..You need to recognize the fact that YOUR referrals, to what went on in pool, are limited by YOUR age !.. In 1980, you were not old enough to get a driver’s license..It was 1985, before you could even go into a bar..(legally)

So your insistence, on what transpired in the pool world, will ALWAYS be limited to pure conjecture, and ‘hearsay. !..You were NOT active in pool, during the “Jansco years”, or even well beyond them !..Nothing wrong with that, I am jealous of your youth..but I am NOT the least bit envious of your “know it all attitude” regarding what transpired during those years !

Good luck in your agenda, which seems to be primarily promoting “C.J. Wiley” !..Pool is just along for the ride" !

PS..Yoga boogie, (or whatever his name is) seems to be his only defender !.. Don't let him distract you !

 

[CJ Wiley]

"Ball-in-hand" is also as exciting as watching:

He did have the sledgehamer break andit was feared. He played his best during the two shot days and mainly because he was fearless and hated ducking hard shots. if I heard him say it once I heard it 1000 times thatone fould was for men afraid to play like a man. He did not like to duck anything.
Thanks for the kind words about my old friend.

Yes the best gamblers of the 70's and 80s would all agree with Danny. Shot-making is the heart and soul of pocket billiards. To start out with ball-in-hand is about as exciting as watching a football player run back a punt with no defensive men on the field.

"Ball-in-hand" is also as exciting as watching:

1) Barry Bonds throw his own pitch and knock it out of the ball park.

2) John Mcenroe playing "mum tennis"

3) Dennis Rodman wearing a suit and tie speaking to a group of boy scouts.

4) "No Contact" hockey games.

5) Nascar races with a 65 MPH speed limit.

6) Tiger Woods hitting "3 Iron" off every tee to win another major.

7) Poker games where going "all in" is automatic "loss-of-hand".

 

[CJ Wiley]

When you shoot that well, you don't have to duck.

I played Danny some two foul push out in Denver years ago. What an offensive shot maker he was! Unless I rolled out to a ridiculous shot, he fired it in. He turned straight back banks with a smack in the back of the pockets on those fast Gold Crowns where he hung out at Colfax Billiards.

The only way to hang with him was to play two way shots and force him to roll out. He pushed out to long cuts and tough banks. He shot 'em, too. Rarely tried to safe me. When you shoot that well, you don't have to duck.

Best,
Mike

Are you saying "ducking is for wussies?" ...actually you have a very good point!

 

[CJ Wiley]

you can't please all the people all the time

It does not matter but you went and saw Clapton with us that night. Those were some wilder times, that day you either took us all out to Steak and Ale or the next day. Johns house was right down and around the corner from George house. You and Doug just played a serious practice set you all were in a good mood after the concert. So you might not remember it but you have definitely saw Clapton in concert at least once. That was a big day for me, probably just another day in the life of Wiley.

Anyway that does not matter I would love to see some pool on TV again and I know you were instrumental in doing that in the past. I hope you can accomplish it again. There is a definite lack of promotion and distribution with the sport.

I know you Real Eyes there is a lot of possibility with pool hope you turn it into a reality.

Wow, that must have been some wild night, you'd think I'd remember seeing Eric Clapton in concert.......I believe you, sounds like we had a great time.

We will put together a TV Package that will knock the general public's socks off.....of course the 'critics" may not like the new success and when they see the Pros being compensated handsomely it may not set well......oh, well, you can't please all the people all the time. .....the game taught us that.

'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[elvicash]

Wow, that must have been some wild night, you'd think I'd remember seeing Eric Clapton in concert.......I believe you, sounds like we had a great time.

We will put together a TV Package that will knock the general public's socks off.....of course the 'critics" may not like the new success and when they see the Pros being compensated handsomely it may not set well......oh, well, you can't please all the people all the time. .....the game taught us that.

'The Game is the Teacher'

I was wrong CJ. I asked Brian Groce about it tonight, he said you did not go to the concert but he thought you were in town that night. I know you and Doug played some on the bartable late. Doug, John, Janie and Brian all went so my bad sorry.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I can cancel my appointment to get checked for Alzheimer's

I was wrong CJ. I asked Brian Groce about it tonight, he said you did not go to the concert but he thought you were in town that night. I know you and Doug played some on the bartable late. Doug, John, Janie and Brian all went so my bad sorry.

That's awesome!! .... I can cancel my appointment tomorrow to get checked for Alzheimer's.

I do remember Janie .....she was "hotter" than Clapton.

 

[One Pocket John]

That's awesome!! .... I can cancel my appointment tomorrow to get checked for Alzheimer's.

I do remember Janie .....she was "hotter" than Clapton.

 

[CJ Wiley]

They're not complicated, we actually had a "standard" set of rules for the gamblers

99% of my gambling matchups and tournament playing were any two fouls. Anything else was probably a local thing or a move to trap me. I never even had to ask which two shot rule I was playing.

All tournaments were 2 shot roll out. It wasn't even listed on the tourney description. You already knew it was any two fouls. I can't remember ever hearing a variation to the rules except for not being able to tap the cue ball with the side of your cue stick on a roll out. Or not positioning the cue ball with your stick instead of your hand with a rare BIH.

Best,
Mike

You already know this, Mike - for those that believe there's just "3" ways to play 'Two Shot Shoot Out' here's a few of the most popular variations - played by actual gamblers playing for real cash under strenuous conditions.

Here are rules variations that could be applied to 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball.

1) Either all balls spot, or you agree to ONLY spot the ball before the "money ball"

2) Spot all balls behind the line (in the kitchen) or put them all down (except one before the money ball.

3) Re roll outs were only allowed playing "Two Fouls by the same person"

4) Re Roll Outs were NOT allowed (without giving up ball-in-hand) playing "any two fouls"

5) Alternate breaks (not our favorite way to play, but chosen by some)

6) Winner breaks (most common)

7) Loser breaks (least common)

8) Ball frozen on the rail would make the rail "dead" and you have to go
another rail for a legal hit....this could be cue ball or object ball.

9) Frozen balls don't "kill" rail

10) Three fouls are loss of game (rare, but did come up in two shot shoot out)

11) No Three Foul Rule - occasionally this could result in a stale mate if a ball was wedged in the corner by another ball.....balls were re racked and broken again.

12) "Races" or "Ahead Sets" were common, races were the first one to a
given number (11) and ahead sets were first one to get X games ahead of opponent.
We also played a lot "by the game" - this was back when there was more "heart".

We always played the Ball-in-Hand anywhere on the table exactly like "one-foul-ball-in-hand".....although there were people that played "behind the line" on any foul - they were a special group we called........better not divulge their slang names.

These are most of the main rules variations, although there are a few more. They're not complicated, we actually had a "standard" set of rules for the professional gamblers in the country, we played virtually the same way although it paid to know how the different rules variations effected the "matching up" process.

I actually was schooled on this as well in the prestigious college I attended on the road called "Pool School". 'The Game was our Teacher'

 

[SJDinPHX]

You already know this, Mike - for those that believe there's just "3" ways to play 'Two Shot Shoot Out' here's a few of the most popular variations - played by actual gamblers playing for real cash under strenuous conditions.

Here are rules variations that could be applied to 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball.

1) Either all balls spot, or you agree to ONLY spot the ball before the "money ball"

2) Spot all balls behind the line (in the kitchen) or put them all down (except one before the money ball.

3) Re roll outs were only allowed playing "Two Fouls by the same person"

4) Re Roll Outs were NOT allowed (without giving up ball-in-hand) playing "any two fouls"

5) Alternate breaks (not our favorite way to play, but chosen by some)

6) Winner breaks (most common)

7) Loser breaks (least common)

8) Ball frozen on the rail would make the rail "dead" and you have to go
another rail for a legal hit....this could be cue ball or object ball.

9) Frozen balls don't "kill" rail

10) Three fouls are loss of game (rare, but did come up in two shot shoot out)

11) No Three Foul Rule - occasionally this could result in a stale mate if a ball was wedged in the corner by another ball.....balls were re racked and broken again.

12) "Races" or "Ahead Sets" were common, races were the first one to a
given number (11) and ahead sets were first one to get X games ahead of opponent.
We also played a lot "by the game" - this was back when there was more "heart".

We always played the Ball-in-Hand anywhere on the table exactly like "one-foul-ball-in-hand".....although there were people that played "behind the line" on any foul - they were a special group we called........better not divulge their slang names.

These are most of the main rules variations, although there are a few more. They're not complicated, we actually had a "standard" set of rules for the professional gamblers in the country, we played virtually the same way although it paid to know how the different rules variations effected the "matching up" process.

I actually was schooled on this as well in the prestigious college I attended on the road called "Pool School". 'The Game was our Teacher'

Mr. Wil-ey

It is frustrating to see you totally ignored post #162, which was intended to convince the forum populace, that you DO NOT have a clue what went on in the pool world, in the 'good old days' !..It is particularly annoying, to those of us that do !
..You may not need to be checked out for Alzheimer's, (yet) but you should definitely see a doctor that specializes in "Rectalitus" !..That is a condition where the nerves in your 'sphincter' muscles, get crossed with your 'optic' nerves,...
and you get a shi*ty outlook on life !

The only 'college' you may have attended, was old "I.U"... "IthinkIknoweverythingabouteverything University"!..Most graduates of that school, develope a severe case of 'Rectalitus' and become terribly upset when normal people constantly point out how LITTLE they really know, about ANYTHING !..And, unlike your fellow "I U" graduate, and good buddy Earl, there may be medication that can help..I'm afraid the 'Pearl's' case is terminal !..See where you're headed ?

Rectalitus is rarely fatal, and often occurs in younger people, who usually get over it by the time they reach puberty...However, in extreme cases (such as yours) it only gets WORSE as they grow older !..Some even become convinced they are GOD !...It may be too late for you, but if you can just PRY yourself away from your keyboard, the ACME CO. has some excellent facilities to choose from, and your friendly Acme salesperson can help !


Does he call you C.J. or Mr. Wil-ey ?

 

[Old Nine Baller]

Here are rules variations that could be applied to 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball.

1) Either all balls spot, or you agree to ONLY spot the ball before the "money ball"As I wrote in this thread.

2) Spot all balls behind the line (in the kitchen) or put them all down (except one before the money ball.As I wrote in this thread.

3) Re roll outs were only allowed playing "Two Fouls by the same person"Stupid.

4) Re Roll Outs were NOT allowed (without giving up ball-in-hand) playing "any two fouls" No kidding. Is that why they call it "any two consecutive fouls is BIH".

5) Alternate breaks (not our favorite way to play, but chosen by some)

6) Winner breaks (most common)

7) Loser breaks (least common)

8) Ball frozen on the rail would make the rail "dead" and you have to go
another rail for a legal hit....this could be cue ball or object ball.

9) Frozen balls don't "kill" rail

10) Three fouls are loss of game (rare, but did come up in two shot shoot out)Please do tell how you can foul 3 times when BIH is given up after 2 fouls and the fouls reset to zero.

11) No Three Foul RuleSee #10 comment. - occasionally this could result in a stale mate if a ball was wedged in the corner by another ballWas this game played on a Billiard table?.....balls were re racked and broken again.

12) "Races" or "Ahead Sets" were common, races were the first one to a
given number (11) and ahead sets were first one to get X games ahead of opponent.Thanks for explaining the obvious.
We also played a lot "by the game" - this was back when there was more "heart". Everything was better in the old days eh?

Nice post except I already wrote most of it for you in my posts.

While you are in only semi-brag mode why don't you tell your adoring fanclubbers how much money you won at the Rack in Detroit? Howz about Bensingers in Chi-Town? Or maybe you snapped someone off in Cochrans? Do tell, puleeeeeeeeze.

ONB

 

[BeiberLvr]

Well whatever rules you guys play by, I'll just say that having the option to push after a push is stupid. I'll gladly play whatever two foul rules don't involve that option.

 

[CJ Wiley]

today we simply play because we really enjoy the game as a way of self expression.

Mr. Wil-ey

It is frustrating to see you

I'm not sure why you're frustrated, there's really no reason to, get upset over a game. After all I'm just a messenger, not the message, so, SJD, be at choice over how you feel.....and be thankful for yet another "today". :smile:

We enjoy the game of pool more now than we ever did on the road. Especially now that we can all see such positive things changing all around us. There's been many motivating factors in the past, and today we simply play because we really enjoy the game as a way of self expression.

It's just a matter of time before Professional Pool as we know it will go through a metamorphosis...... the Game will become the Teacher.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I appreciate your kind words.

Nice post except I already wrote most of it for you in my posts.

Thanks, I appreciate your kind words.

 

[CJ Wiley]

"one handed jacked up on a bar table with a big ball for two dollars a game"

I was wrong CJ. I asked Brian Groce about it tonight, he said you did not go to the concert but he thought you were in town that night. I know you and Doug played some on the bartable late. Doug, John, Janie and Brian all went so my bad sorry.

I heard S.A.J.just had foot surgery, tell him I'll play him "one handed jacked up Shoot Out on a bar table with a big ball for two dollars a game" until he heals up. LMAO...he'll know what I mean.

Play Well Bud

 

[HawaiianEye]

Well whatever rules you guys play by, I'll just say that having the option to push after a push is stupid. I'll gladly play whatever two foul rules don't involve that option.

To ME, this is the ONLY "sensible" way to play.

Player 1 doesn't like shot for whatever reason. Pushes. Receives foul # 1.
Player 2 has 2 options: 1) shoot or 2) repush.
-- Decides to shoot and makse a good hit. Player 1's foul is erased.
-- Decides to "repush". Now Player 2 is on foul #1 and Player 1 has the same options...shoot at the repush or make Player 2 shoot again.


What is the problem with this?

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[Pushout]

No problem IF you're NOT playing any two fouls, and any two is way I learned to play.


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[richiebalto]

Wow

I can't believe people don't know the difference between "two by the same player" and "two in a row".



"Two in a row" is any two, doesn't matter if it's the same player or one by both.


"Two by the same player", when a guy pushes out and the other player shoots...the foul doesn't get wiped out....duh!





And some of you guys really know better.

Steve, we played both of these games in Baltimore, any 2 fouls, or 2 in a row by same player, which when playing 2 by same player, it was allmost like playing 1 foul.

But most of the players that came through did play any 2 fouls, but you always had to ask before starting off, any 2 fouls or 2 in a row same player!

 

[Mikjary]

To ME, this is the ONLY "sensible" way to play.

Player 1 doesn't like shot for whatever reason. Pushes. Receives foul # 1.
Player 2 has 2 options: 1) shoot or 2) repush.
-- Decides to shoot and makse a good hit. Player 1's foul is erased.
-- Decides to "repush". Now Player 2 is on foul #1 and Player 1 has the same options...shoot at the repush or make Player 2 shoot again.


What is the problem with this?

.

The only problem is if player 2 re-pushes, player 1 has to be reset to 0 fouls. The reason, and I've seen it happen, is that player 1 still being on 1 foul passes back the shot to player 2 on the re-push. Player 2 buries the cue ball on a legal hit and player 1 is kicking like one foul BIH.

Richiebalto said this in his post and I agree.

Best,
Mike

 

[BeiberLvr]

To ME, this is the ONLY "sensible" way to play.

Player 1 doesn't like shot for whatever reason. Pushes. Receives foul # 1.
Player 2 has 2 options: 1) shoot or 2) repush.
-- Decides to shoot and makse a good hit. Player 1's foul is erased.
-- Decides to "repush". Now Player 2 is on foul #1 and Player 1 has the same options...shoot at the repush or make Player 2 shoot again.


What is the problem with this?

.

The way I see it, a push is mainly used to put your opponent to the test and exploit their weaknesses. If I push to a shot my opponent isn't comfortable with, his only options should be to shoot or pass it back. Having that extra option to re-push is weak and completely negates the advantage the first player had.