Two foul,push out 9 ball.

I enjoy a thread that generically asks for opinions, that way I feel more comfortable interjecting. :)

IMO, if you don't like someone catching runner, runner, runner, hearts to a flush that beats your straight, then don't play texas hold em poker. Play Bridge or something.

And if you don't like shit leaves, don't play 9 ball. Play One hole or 14.1 it happens much less in those games. (with the added benefit that they are much better games to boot!) :smile:


( I'm sorry Willie, no one wants to use all the balls anymore) :(
 
sfleinen said:
Randy:

Not sure if you were referring to my post, but 1.) I already "don't" play Texas Express, so the suggestion doesn't apply, and 2.) I already did proffer a suggestion in the form of a solution -- to play 10-ball according to WPA rules.

To each his/her own as far as T.E. goes -- if you like T.E., play 9-ball. If you don't, play 10-ball. There's a reason why the two games exist simultaneously, and why one is taking the other over in pro-level events. The one being taken over doesn't have to go by the wayside -- 9-ball is a great "poolroom-/tournament-filling" game for the regular Joe/Jane, as you mentioned.

-Sean
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Sean, if so I would have directed it to you....SPF=randyg
 
And all these years I thought TE was invented so that the East Coast players would have a Chance to win in the Nevada tournaments Richie and you were running... Those West coast players really knew how to play the old 'Roll out' rules and used them to their advantage.

Just kidding Randy,

Texas Express Rules = pool's great equalizer, more players, easier to understand and most of all, quicker. Everyone liked the rules.

IMO these rules brought a spike in attendance for pool rooms all over the USA.

Thanks Randy.

randyg said:
Texas Express Rules where not invented for TV....period!!!!!!

These Rules came at a time when they where dearly needed. Tournaments could have more players, longer races and fire-power. This really helped the host room owner and made the Tournament more attractive to the player & spectator.

We still play 2-shot roll out every Thursday night in our ring game. If you don't enjoy Texas Express Rules, then play something else.


SPF & Texas Express.....randyg
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Black-Balled said:
I grew up playing pussout...

Don't sweat my feeloings but do list all requirements for your potential discussion counterpart.
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Alright, if we're going to have a potential discussion, desribe the rules you think are the way to play it and lets see if we're on the same page.
Let me desribe a senario too. If its my turn and I push, what are all the options you have?
We'll go from there..
 
Black-Balled said:
Don't lie.

Oh yeah; let's drive to a tournament, get a room, eat, spend a s**tload on quarters and play a great safe and watch your opponent push-out on you. Nice Just wondering, how did this come to be known as pool?
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Why did you play the safety? Was the shot too hard or was all the pressure of having to make a shot to win just too much for you. Well, my friend, back in the day you had to do just that without a soft option, the easy option, the safe option.
When did not making a ball come to be known as pool? What happened, you didn't get shape?
 
One thing I do miss is the spot shot. We used to practice those for hours but no need to anymore. It's a lost art.
 
randyg said:
Texas Express Rules where not invented for TV....period!!!!!!

These Rules came at a time when they where dearly needed. Tournaments could have more players, longer races and fire-power. This really helped the host room owner and made the Tournament more attractive to the player & spectator.

We still play 2-shot roll out every Thursday night in our ring game. If you don't enjoy Texas Express Rules, then play something else.

Remember: A suggestion turns into a ***** when you don't present a solution.


SPF & Texas Express.....randyg
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Well Randy,
It sure was touted that way(quicker for TV) So, what you're saying(what I'm reading) is that pool could never have had more players, longer races and fire power(my favorite) without messing with the games integrity. I guess that's what my main point in these discussions of 1 foul, 2 foul nine ball are. It was all about the $ and how to attract more people(the less skilled),which is fine with me, but my point that hasn't been grasped yet is it damaged nineballs skill requirements. That's a fact when you make the game easier and give people a soft option.(to not shoot) But now, seeings how these rules have been entrenched, you won't admit it.
More attractive to the player and spectator? The public can't stand watching it for any extended length of time. And players too. That makes me think your alittle out of touch or in it just for the $(and who can blame you for that) ..

How in the world do you play 2 shot in a ring game? .. I need to know
 
Tom In Cincy said:
And all these years I thought TE was invented so that the East Coast players would have a Chance to win in the Nevada tournaments Richie and you were running... Those West coast players really knew how to play the old 'Roll out' rules and used them to their advantage.

Just kidding Randy,

Texas Express Rules = pool's great equalizer, more players, easier to understand and most of all, quicker. Everyone liked the rules.

IMO these rules brought a spike in attendance for pool rooms all over the USA.

Thanks Randy.
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You forgot to put IMO in front of Texes Express rules=
Lets discuss.. First, why is the first thing on the list TE= pool's great equalizer?
Why do you say it's quicker? and (my favorite and most telling)
Why do you use the past tense?
 
Roll-out Two-foul

To answer canwin, a player may roll-out anytime. Incoming player may shoot or pass. If he passes and opponent fouls he gets ball in hand. All balls made on fouls spot. If ball is behind headstring it spots. Also, last ball before money-ball spots. This form of 9-ball geared far more for shooting and really rewards shotmaking skill. On the flipside,as bad a shape pool is in if TE rules gets more folks in tournaments and keeps rooms open then go for it.
 
garczar said:
To answer canwin, a player may roll-out anytime. Incoming player may shoot or pass. If he passes and opponent fouls he gets ball in hand. All balls made on fouls spot. If ball is behind headstring it spots. Also, last ball before money-ball spots. This form of 9-ball geared far more for shooting and really rewards shotmaking skill. On the flipside,as bad a shape pool is in if TE rules gets more folks in tournaments and keeps rooms open then go for it.
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Thx for the answer, although there is an option you didn't mention that is is crucial for people to understand the game and it's strategy. Can you think of what it is? Yea, I guess 1foul BIH did what it did, but, IMO this demeaned the integrity of the way 9-ball was originally and historically played. TE is a necessary evil then. .
 
garczar said:
To answer canwin, a player may roll-out anytime. Incoming player may shoot or pass. If he passes and opponent fouls he gets ball in hand. All balls made on fouls spot. If ball is behind headstring it spots. Also, last ball before money-ball spots. This form of 9-ball geared far more for shooting and really rewards shotmaking skill. On the flipside,as bad a shape pool is in if TE rules gets more folks in tournaments and keeps rooms open then go for it.
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BTW, ball in hand was in the kitchen and therein used to be the spot shot.
 
Two Foul

2 shot push out was the best way to play the game in my opinion to get the luck factor down as far as possible without killing the game.
I also think you should use 1 cue to play except for breaking 8, 9 and 10 ball. Also no break cues over 20 oz.
It will never happen.
Everything in the last 40 years seesm to have been to make it better for the person who can pocket more shots. Maybe thats how it should be.
I prefer matches where 1 person is a shooter and the other a mover most of the time .
Maybe every tournament should be ball in hand every time you don't pocket a ball.
That goes real fast, Also 15 second shot clock , no time outs.
Seems we are headed there anyway, why not bypass the next 10 years of experimenting and get on track with the "quick fix generation" , now.
Instead of 4 inch pockets , make the 4 3/4 that way people can run 50 racks.
There will be new records set and something to get excited about!
I'm sort of joking , sort of serious, what do "you" think?
 
Played Roll out or 2 shot foul BIH for 15+ years (mid 60 thru the 70s into the 80s) when TE came around. Most pool hall players played 14.1 or 8 ball. 9 Ball was for gambling. There were hardly any tournaments in those days.

After TE there were a lot of the younger players starting to play the game, it was more exciting to them and when there was a weekly tournament these kids were a lot more willing to play if TE rules were used. More money in entry fees and more money in the prize fund.

For the gamblers, more young players started to step up and pay the price to learn the game using TE rules than ever before (IMO).


canwin said:
You forgot to put IMO in front of Texes Express rules=
excuse me I didn't read your rules. (see my signature)

Lets discuss.. First, why is the first thing on the list TE= pool's great equalizer?
no particular order, is that important to you?

Why do you say it's quicker? and (my favorite and most telling)
play is shortened by not spotting balls made on a foul for one thing. No extra time deciding to where to rollout or push.




Why do you use the past tense?
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Roll-out Spot shots

Spot shots are in play if it's after a first foul scratch. Two consecutive fouls by same shooter is ball-in-hand. Used to watch Buddy practice spot-shots at BoulderBilliards in Tulsa and it was nothing for him to rattle off dozens at time into either pocket.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Played Roll out or 2 shot foul BIH for 15+ years (mid 60 thru the 70s into the 80s) when TE came around. Most pool hall players played 14.1 or 8 ball. 9 Ball was for gambling. There were hardly any tournaments in those days.

After TE there were a lot of the younger players starting to play the game, it was more exciting to them and when there was a weekly tournament these kids were a lot more willing to play if TE rules were used. More money in entry fees and more money in the prize fund.

For the gamblers, more young players started to step up and pay the price to learn the game using TE rules than ever before (IMO).
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You make it seem like 9 ball had a stigma of bad gamblers/gambling attached to it until TE came along. The place I played and learned in, they gambled at all of the games. You seem put off by some of the questions I asked and the way I had asked them(you didn't answer them all)Fine with me, I don't take this seriously. You don't have to keep selling TE like it were CTE. If you knew how to play 2 shot, then you'd know that the game goes as fast(even faster) when you have 2 real players playing.
I think you might not know how to play it. If you do, let me hear how you interpret the rules.
 
garczar said:
Spot shots are in play if it's after a first foul scratch. Two consecutive fouls by same shooter is ball-in-hand. Used to watch Buddy practice spot-shots at BoulderBilliards in Tulsa and it was nothing for him to rattle off dozens at time into either pocket.
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We used to gamble shooting spot shots.
 
Doesn't make much sense to belabor the fact because TE Rules are here.

Maybe it's about time for someone else to step up to the plate and pencil a new set of rules for 9-Ball. You know those types of rules that will sweep the World in just one year. Those types of rules that will be easy to understand & fair to every contestant. Rules that will bring thousands of players together over the year's time. Then along with that put together the 1st and largest Pool Tour ever recorded.

John, Robin & Randy did just that.

Who's next?
SPF=randyg
 
canwin said:
Alright, if we're going to have a potential discussion, desribe the rules you think are the way to play it and lets see if we're on the same page.
Let me desribe a senario too. If its my turn and I push, what are all the options you have?
We'll go from there..
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cut, bank, draw, fire, slop, safe, , hi, low, draw, hi-draw, low-draw.
And then left: cut, bank, draw, fire, slop, safe, left, right, hi, draw, hi-draw, low-draw. Bump, slide, knock, foul. pass.
I am sure I missed a few.
Now riddle me this: what :rolleyes:other pool game game can you not play the ball frow where it lies?
 
canwin said:
Why did you play the safety? Was the shot too hard or was all the pressure of having to make a shot to win just too much for you. Well, my friend, back in the day you had to do just that without a soft option, the easy option, the safe option.
When did not making a ball come to be known as pool? What happened, you didn't get shape?
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Coz there was a cluster?

Oh, I left it at an angle that you can't get to the OB too. Ya know, you are shooting into the railreal close and jacked up too.:eek:
 
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