Ray, if you can spot the ball before the money ball, why can't all balls be spotted? Do you have to feed coins, so you are only going to do it is on the few occasions when the key ball goes down on a foul?
Two foul,push out 9 ball.
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Ray, if you can spot the ball before the money ball, why can't all balls be spotted? Do you have to feed coins, so you are only going to do it is on the few occasions when the key ball goes down on a foul?
Yes. It would a logistical nightmare to open the tables every time a ball needs to spot. The extra balls can be used for the one before the money.
Ray
Makes total sense to me. I'm liking this retro stuff. First the match on the 10 footer and now 2 foul push-out 9 Ball. Looking forward to it.
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Rules
1. A player has the option to pushout at anytime during the game, upon a pushout the opponent may take the shot or pass, if the shot is passed back to the shooter and the shooter makes a foul, ( bad hit, no rail after contact, or scratch ) it is ball in hand to the opponent.
2. Scratched balls & jumped balls off the table, shooter plays the shot from behind the headstring (except balls pocketed on the break, they stay down). The only balls spotted are the ball before the 9 , and ball behind the line on a scratch, or a jumped ball.
3. If the breaker scratches and the next numerical ball is behind the headstring line ( in the kitchen ) it is spotted, incoming player may pass or take the shot.
4. All balls are deemed behind the headstring ( or in the kitchen ) by the base of the ball, from headstring line.
5. Ball made before the money ball ( 9-Ball ) on a scratch will be spotted and shot from behind the headstring. (Spot Shot )
6. Any fouled or pushed shot may be passed or taken by incoming player.
7. Cue Ball Fouls Only, if you move or touch a ball by any means other than the tip of your cuestick , your opponent may move the ball or balls back to original position or leave the remaining layout to the shooter.
8. You may not get up on the table to shoot a shot.
9. A 30 or 45 second shot clock maybe ask for if a player is deemed playing slow by his opponent., up to TD
Ray, a question for you. On rule #1 it doesn't say what happens if the incoming player decides to take the shot and he doesn't satisfy the "good hit requirements". Maybe the rule should state that whoever takes the shot must make a good hit.
With out that stipulation the game now would become two fouls by the same person push-out, which is a completely different game. In this version the in incoming player now has the option to shoot or re-push and if he pushes they now are on one foul and whoever takes the shot must make a good hit.
Exactly Frank. That the question I had.
Like Randy and others eluded to earlier in this thread, Hard to find any written set of rules for this. That's why I'm addressing them now and will make a ruling asap.
Lanny Herring was trying to splain the difference to me in Houston recently, but without writing it down I was having trouble wrapping my head around it all.
If it's 2 consecutive fouls by the same person then if they did not make a good hit after a pushout(and they were not on one) then each player would be on one and the next shot would be a foul if it wasn't a good hit.
If it was 2 consecutive fouls by either player then after a pushout(one foul) the other player couldn't simply pushout again. That would be the second foul and it would be Ball in hand.
Maybe Lanny was trying to explain that ANY 2 consectutive fouls was the best way to play?
Ray
Throw up the bat signal for Helfert. I'm sure he's TD'd a few events like this back in the day.
Two Consecutive Fouls by same person on rolled out shot= ball n hand
Let's not make this something hard to understand. Two consecutive fouls by the same person on a roll-out sequence is ball n hand.
If I roll out/push , incoming player takes the shot, I'm off the hook and back to zero fouls, incoming player still has to make a good hit or make the ball or he will be on foul one, and then I could make him shoot again if he did indeed fouled the shot I rolled out on.
The only time a player gets ball in hand is when they ( roll-out/scratch, / made bad hit/ jumped ball off table, any foul ) and are told to shoot again and foul the next shot.
And as far as re-rolling out after a guy pushes, thats up to Ray, I say NO, because then a single game could go on forever!
Roll-Out/Push is a Strategy game that is tobe used by the shooter to out smart/or out shoot his opponent, but you either can take the roll-out, or pass it, that's how a tournament should be played.
David Harcrow
Let's not make this something hard to understand. Two consecutive fouls by the same person on a roll-out sequence is ball n hand.
If I roll out/push , incoming player takes the shot, I'm off the hook and back to zero fouls, incoming player still has to make a good hit or make the ball or he will be on foul one, and then I could make him shoot again if he did indeed fouled the shot I rolled out on.
The only time a player gets ball in hand is when they ( roll-out/scratch, / made bad hit/ jumped ball off table, any foul ) and are told to shoot again and foul the next shot.
And as far as re-rolling out after a guy pushes, thats up to Ray, I say NO, because then a single game could go on forever!
Roll-Out/Push is a Strategy game that is tobe used by the shooter to out smart/or out shoot his opponent, but you either can take the roll-out, or pass it, that's how a tournament should be played.
David Harcrow
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Ray ,you cant have two push outs in a row(one after another)on the same shot.2 foul ball in hand is if i push, then the next shot is a foul,it doesnt matter who committed the 2nd foul it will be ball in hand!
I don't think a re-roll should be allowed.
So I push out and the incoming player takes the shot and fouls. He can't roll out because he is already on one.
I shoot or give it back.
If one of us fouls now it is Ball in hand. Anywhere or behind the line?
That's my final question! :shocked:
Ray
If the shooter scratches,the other player has bih behind the line,if that scratch is after a push,then it would be 2 fouls in a row,which is bih anywhere.after any 2fouls in a row then the next shooter has bih anywhere.
Two foul, push out 9 ball...
I remember playing the game this way as a kid growing up in the late 70s/early 80s. Much more challenging IMHO. To me, TE rules completely changed the game. In fact, it's like a completely different game altogether. I remember a time when spot shots were key in 9-ball. Not anymore. All balls stay down in TE, and with BIH, it doesn't matter if the object ball is in the kitchen after a scratch. You will NEVER have a spot shot in TE 9-ball. Add to this the fact that anything goes as long as you make a legal hit, and the game has turned into a complete crap-shoot. I guess that was good for TV. IMHO, TE ended up being a better "Equalizer" than any league handicapping system.
I remember playing the game this way as a kid growing up in the late 70s/early 80s. Much more challenging IMHO. To me, TE rules completely changed the game. In fact, it's like a completely different game altogether. I remember a time when spot shots were key in 9-ball. Not anymore. All balls stay down in TE, and with BIH, it doesn't matter if the object ball is in the kitchen after a scratch. You will NEVER have a spot shot in TE 9-ball. Add to this the fact that anything goes as long as you make a legal hit, and the game has turned into a complete crap-shoot. I guess that was good for TV. IMHO, TE ended up being a better "Equalizer" than any league handicapping system.
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I play 2foul/pushout in my ring games. Nothing like having a moneyball spotted and bih in the kitchen. I have made alot of money off of praticing that one shot.
I hear ya. As a 14 year old in 1980, I used to average about $25/$30 a week in the Sunday morning .25/.50 ring game - and a lot of that came from making spot shots!
Spot shots were practiced by everyone all the time because it was an important shot to know and in fact we used to have ring games composed of nothing but spot shots. Each guy in the game would make as many as he could in 15 (one rack of balls) tries. The guy who made the most won the pot.
I guess you couuuuuuuld. I already hate 10 ball ring games because of all the waiting to shoot. Bank ring game is way more fun.
Ray
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Exactly my point. There was once a time when everyone practiced spot shots because they actually meant something. Now they're meaningless and you could probably go to the local halls and bet on most of the house 9-ballers missing more spot shots than they'd make from various spots in the kitchen. It's a shot that's just not encountered anymore in today's game because of TE.