U.S Open

justnum...Yeah, and you're not involved either, so I don't know where you get off DEMANDING anything! How about, since you're such a naysayer and detractor, you just STAY HOME! Then you won't need to worry about your precious "income or expenses"...what income you'd be deriving from this event is specifically in doubt, anyway! I just can't understand why you have to be such a nit!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

justnum said:
I need to hear that speech from Barry.

Barry is the one putting up the prize money. I expect him to personally make reassurances, he has been so generous with them in the past.

I appreciate your response and where you are coming from, but your not involved in the US Open planning and financing. So just encourage Barry to work harder to get the full field.

At another of Barry's events it was mentioned that due to the player field not being as fully estimated prize payouts were reduced. Information about the prize reduction is very helpful in planning out my potential income or expenses.

I don't expect you to understand that since your so busy inflating the reputation of Barry, when financial decisions are being made with a very uncertain outcome, mainly the size of the player field or the reduction of prize money, more information is better information.
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Scott Lee said:
justnum...Yeah, and you're not involved either, so I don't know where you get off DEMANDING anything! How about, since you're such a naysayer and detractor, you just STAY HOME! Then you won't need to worry about your precious "income or expenses"...what income you'd be deriving from this event is specifically in doubt, anyway! I just can't understand why you have to be such a nit!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Barry created this uncomfortable situation for players, vendors and fans.

As it is he shouldn't have made promises he couldn't deliver on in the past because now the players are using his history against him.

The prospects of the Open being a large turnout this coming year is not looking good at all. Usually Barry would be promoting some unique feature about the Open. But he isn't, he just saying things are busy as usual.

What made it worse was his latest release saying if the player field is as advertised then the prize payouts will be as advertised. It represents him as pessimistic, and hints that he might not hit the 256 player field for the open.

And to make matters worse he didn't talk about adjustments for what if the player field is less than maxed out.
 
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How about Arbitration?

It annoys me to read about the posturing on both sides of this now controversial tournament. If both sides want the tournament to happen how about both sides agreeing to a binding arbitration? Maybe the answer might be simply for Barry to acknowledge that once the tournament is over the prize money is no longer his. He could then agree to pay 1.5% monthly interest on any funds not paid by the tournament's end. What won't solve the problem is the players discouraging attendance and Barry insisting it's ok to slow pay because he's done it for years. Lock both sides in a room until they solve the issue and get on with the tournament!
 
justnum said:
Barry created this uncomfortable situation for players, vendors and fans.

As it is he shouldn't have made promises he couldn't deliver on in the past because now the players are using his history against him.

The prospects of the Open being a large turnout this coming year is not looking good at all. Usually Barry would be promoting some unique feature about the Open. But he isn't, he just saying things are busy as usual.

What made it worse was his latest release saying if the player field is as advertised then the prize payouts will be as advertised. It represents him as pessimistic, and hints that he might not hit the 256 player field for the open.

And to make matters worse he didn't talk about adjustments for what if the player field is less than maxed out.
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I would think that the first thing Barry would do is update the USopen website and then after its updated, he would release his statements because this is what it says on the opening page.

" The U.S.Open is The Longest Run and Most Prestigious 9-Ball Event in the world. The field is limited to 256 Players. Entry is $500.00, Added Monies is $50,000 Guaranteed, regardless of number of players. 256 is the Max amount of Players. Barry pays all sanction fees associated and past champion entry fees."

Just adds to the confusion on what the actual gaurentee of added money is.
 
justnum said:
Barry created this uncomfortable situation for players, vendors and fans.

As it is he shouldn't have made promises he couldn't deliver on in the past because now the players are using his history against him.

The prospects of the Open being a large turnout this coming year is not looking good at all. Usually Barry would be promoting some unique feature about the Open. But he isn't, he just saying things are busy as usual.

What made it worse was his latest release saying if the player field is as advertised then the prize payouts will be as advertised. It represents him as pessimistic, and hints that he might not hit the 256 player field for the open.

And to make matters worse he didn't talk about adjustments for what if the player field is less than maxed out.
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The players didnt create the problem, they are reacting to a problem.

their reaction is debatable, but it is a reaction.


Scott your a great asset to pool and this site and i like you. However I have read many of your posts and your information is well meant, but your knowledge of all the facts are not complete. There are other things that have "Happened" your not aware of. Someday after this blows over I'll share some of them with you.

I hope the US Open remains as the "Big Event", America has lost so much in the past few years, losing this would be bad. But in its current form it aint working. And has been broken for the past 8-10 years, each year its getting a little worse.

So what needs to be done is it must be re-organized. Barry has 1000 league players and a 75 table room(thats what he told me), he has a venue for a event. His ego is blocking common sense, forget the convention center and use what you have to make it work. he needs to down size it, who else in biz hasnt downsized? Thats the whole economic problem. Barry aint immune from the market, his ego is causeing the problem. He should cut the event to 128 players and make it happen from his room. In a few years when things are better then expand back to the convention center.

His ego + the players egos= a big mess

Down size the damn thing and get over your self Barry and it will work out for everyone.

and if a 128 player $25K event aint good enough for the players the F them too.

Everyone needs to get real
 
Fatboy2 said:
The players didnt create the problem, they are reacting to a problem.

their reaction is debatable, but it is a reaction.


Scott your a great asset to pool and this site and i like you. However I have read many of your posts and your information is well meant, but your knowledge of all the facts are not complete. There are other things that have "Happened" your not aware of. Someday after this blows over I'll share some of them with you.

I hope the US Open remains as the "Big Event", America has lost so much in the past few years, losing this would be bad. But in its current form it aint working. And has been broken for the past 8-10 years, each year its getting a little worse.

So what needs to be done is it must be re-organized. Barry has 1000 league players and a 75 table room(thats what he told me), he has a venue for a event. His ego is blocking common sense, forget the convention center and use what you have to make it work. he needs to down size it, who else in biz hasnt downsized? Thats the whole economic problem. Barry aint immune from the market, his ego is causeing the problem. He should cut the event to 128 players and make it happen from his room. In a few years when things are better then expand back to the convention center.

His ego + the players egos= a big mess

Down size the damn thing and get over your self Barry and it will work out for everyone.

and if a 128 player $25K event aint good enough for the players the F them too.

Everyone needs to get real
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The support for Barry and the players is overwhelming on this forum.

But egos do play a big part in negotiations like you say and that is delaying progress on the Open situation.

I hate to say it, but it could be the end of the relationship between Barry and the ABP players. So far it seems like Barry isn't even on top of his client list. He has had so much time to show the players he is interested in change, but never made necessary changes.

The players hire him (pay entry fees) to organize a great tournament but he hasn't been listening to their feedback for what seems like decades. Unless Barry comes up big for the players this could be the end of the Open.

I know I am pessimistic about the Open but I don't want Barry to load up on expenses he might not need and suffer the financial burden and depression associated with long term debt.
 
well, here's who I heard is not going Lol

ABP Pro Players Not Attending the US Open 9-Ball

Johnny Archer USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Darren Appleton ENG
Niels Feijen NED
Tony Robles USA
Adam Smith USA
Frankie Hernandez USA
Efren Reyes PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Darren Appleton ENG
Shane Van Boening USA
Rodney Morris USA
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Thorsten Hohmann GER
Lee Van Corteza PHI
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Huidji See NED
Mike Sigel USA
Buddy Hall USA
CJ Wiley USA
Tony Drago MLT
Raj Hundal IND
Karl Boyes ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Marcus Chamat SWE
Roberto Gomez PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Shawn Putnam USA
Mike Davis USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Charlie Williams USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Jeremy Jones USA
Allen Hopkins USA
Scott Frost USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Kim Davenport USA
Robb Saez USA
Tony Crosby USA
Art Wiggins USA
Tommy Najar USA

might be a good year to go and steak $40,000!!
 
PoolGrapevine said:
well, here's who I heard is not going Lol

ABP Pro Players Not Attending the US Open 9-Ball

Johnny Archer USA...Charlie Williams....
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Charlie, you must have not gotten the memo. ;)

Did you read Corey's statement about being eliminated from your ABP board?

His name probably should be removed, maybe.

I wish you all the luck in the world with your new organization. :smile:
 
For the OCD'd amongst us:p
List alphabetized by name:

Darren Appleton ENG
Johnny Archer USA
Carlo Biado PHI
Karl Boyes ENG
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Marcus Chamat SWE
Tony Crosby USA
Kim Davenport USA
Mike Davis USA
Corey Deuel USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Oscar Dominguez USA
Tony Drago MLT
Niels Feijen NED
Scott Frost USA
Roberto Gomez PHI
Buddy Hall USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Frankie Hernandez USA
Thorsten Hohmann GER
Allen Hopkins USA
Raj Hundal IND
Mika Immonen FIN
Jeremy Jones USA
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Imran Majid ENG
Jundel Mazon PHI
Stevie Moore USA
Rodney Morris USA
Tommy Najar USA
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Shawn Putnam USA
Efren Reyes PHI
Tony Robles USA
Robb Saez USA
John Schmidt USA
Huidji See NED
Mike Sigel USA
Adam Smith USA
Lee Van Corteza PHI
Shane Van Boening USA
Art Wiggins USA
CJ Wiley USA
Charlie Williams USA

By country:

Darren Appleton ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Karl Boyes ENG
Mika Immonen FIN
Thorsten Hohmann GER
Raj Hundal IND
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Tony Drago MLT
Huidji See NED
Niels Feijen NED
Warren Kiamco PHI
Roberto Gomez PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Lee Van Corteza PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Efren Reyes PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Marcus Chamat SWE
Shane Van Boening USA
Art Wiggins USA
Scott Frost USA
Rodney Morris USA
Buddy Hall USA
Shawn Putnam USA
Stevie Moore USA
Tony Crosby USA
Tommy Najar USA
Robb Saez USA
Tony Robles USA
Allen Hopkins USA
CJ Wiley USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Kim Davenport USA
Adam Smith USA
Johnny Archer USA
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Charlie Williams USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Frankie Hernandez USA
Mike Sigel USA
Mike Davis USA
Jeremy Jones USA
 
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JAM said:
Charlie, you must have not gotten the memo. ;)

Did you read Corey's statement about being eliminated from your ABP board?

His name probably should be removed, maybe.

I wish you all the luck in the world with your new organization. :smile:
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And forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Darren Appleton said that he is gonna play, to defend his championship last year? He's still on the list, too. (Twice on some lists! :p )

His name ought to be removed, as well.
 
justadub said:
And forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Darren Appleton said that he is gonna play, to defend his championship last year? He's still on the list, too. (Twice on some lists! :p )

His name ought to be removed, as well.
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Looks like the ABP has a communication problem. The similarities between the ABP and the UPA are striking!
 
JAM...or maybe JA can click his 'ruby slippers' together 3 times, while chanting, "There's nothing like getting paid on time!"..."There's nothing like getting paid on time!"..."There's nothing like getting paid on time!" :grin: All kidding aside, this whole argument is silly. Do the players deserve to paid, in full, on time? Sure. Is it possible for BB to do that? Sure...if he changes how he does things. Will that happen this year?...that's the $150,000 question!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

JAM said:
It's almost like Wizard of Oz: Pay no attention to that man behind the ---> curtain! ;)
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