I'm with TW on this. Your tips are crap. They suck. Cut the price in half and send me 50 more ASAP!. :groucho:
UltraSkins, Bad Tips Miscues
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I'm with TW on this. Your tips are crap. They suck. Cut the price in half and send me 50 more ASAP!. :groucho:
I'm never sure when you are being facetious..
Regardless Thomas, what is your choice for a tip....?
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Tom,
I having been installing tips for over 11 years and had a huge biz at my pool hall other than my cue making.
Here is what i use to suggest and now I have amended since Tom's tips hit the market.
When some one wanted a hard tip i gave them a Brown Water Buffalo. There was no need for them to pay a big price for a layer tip. Now I tell them to use a HH U Skin.
When some one requested a soft tip I said Elk-master but told them it would need maintenance all the time. Now I just give them a U Skin soft or Pro.
Those examples are on the edges of the soft v hard envelope.
When people want a Kamui or other expensive tip I keep my mouth shut and give them what they want as they wish to pay a ridiculous price for a tip.
Many players are always looking for a panacea to make their game better. We all know it does not exist. Company's that get huge dollars for a cheap commodity play on that factor. If paying big money for a tip makes them feel good who am I to bust their fantasy.
Tom sells a great product that gives the cue maker the ability to offer a layered tip a no additional cost to the customer. His business plan is volume over fantasy.
BTW, I put them on 80% of my tip replacement jobs and have had zero complaints.
I read all the posts on the thread shown and I feel that some people who play bad wish to blame something other than themselves. They should be Looking at fundamentals not the tip for more consistency.
That being said, we all know that every one is entitled to their opinion here on the Az forum farm.
JMO,
Rick
I having been installing tips for over 11 years and had a huge biz at my pool hall other than my cue making.
Here is what i use to suggest and now I have amended since Tom's tips hit the market.
When some one wanted a hard tip i gave them a Brown Water Buffalo. There was no need for them to pay a big price for a layer tip. Now I tell them to use a HH U Skin.
When some one requested a soft tip I said Elk-master but told them it would need maintenance all the time. Now I just give them a U Skin soft or Pro.
Those examples are on the edges of the soft v hard envelope.
When people want a Kamui or other expensive tip I keep my mouth shut and give them what they want as they wish to pay a ridiculous price for a tip.
Many players are always looking for a panacea to make their game better. We all know it does not exist. Company's that get huge dollars for a cheap commodity play on that factor. If paying big money for a tip makes them feel good who am I to bust their fantasy.
Tom sells a great product that gives the cue maker the ability to offer a layered tip a no additional cost to the customer. His business plan is volume over fantasy.
BTW, I put them on 80% of my tip replacement jobs and have had zero complaints.
I read all the posts on the thread shown and I feel that some people who play bad wish to blame something other than themselves. They should be Looking at fundamentals not the tip for more consistency.
That being said, we all know that every one is entitled to their opinion here on the Az forum farm.
JMO,
Rick
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i like em
tom, i also misscue on occasion and i have one of your tips on my playing cue. BUT i believe is is MY fault not the tip.
i think most of my misscues are caused by me not taking care of the tip.
if properly shaped and chalked, they play as good as and thing on the market.
chuck starkey
tom, i also misscue on occasion and i have one of your tips on my playing cue. BUT i believe is is MY fault not the tip.
i think most of my misscues are caused by me not taking care of the tip.
if properly shaped and chalked, they play as good as and thing on the market.
chuck starkey
I installed about 2 hundred UltraSkins for our customers, been playing with them myself too (currently testing some self-made milk duds). Based on my experience, there could be several reasons for a laminated tip to "misbehave". Remember there were a couple of UltraSkins users who didn't know it was better to trim a couple or more layers down on a new tip? As soon as they removed some top layers the tip preformed great (and sucked before, to their estimation).
The only situation UltraSkin tips were miscueing for me occured when I was trying a certain chalk brand. I tried to play with that chalk, miscued where I normally don't. Then I put that piece aside, and after a while decided to try another cube of that brand on another UltraSkin tip. And go figure, I was miscueing on deep draw shots just again! So I decided that chalk just isn't friendly to UltraSkins, or vice versa.
So that's just another factor to consider, maybe the reason is chalk rather than tip, or just the combination of both is wrong. Unfortunately many players don't try to look that far.
The only situation UltraSkin tips were miscueing for me occured when I was trying a certain chalk brand. I tried to play with that chalk, miscued where I normally don't. Then I put that piece aside, and after a while decided to try another cube of that brand on another UltraSkin tip. And go figure, I was miscueing on deep draw shots just again! So I decided that chalk just isn't friendly to UltraSkins, or vice versa.
So that's just another factor to consider, maybe the reason is chalk rather than tip, or just the combination of both is wrong. Unfortunately many players don't try to look that far.
I've tried Ultraskin M and H so far, both really good tips, do glaze over faster than typical brown leather tips like all black kind tips do.
I don't know what tip could be considered "the best" among so many brands today, but these tips certainly "pass the test" in terms of use and are definitely far away from the "junk" level, not even close to that.
I don't know personally Mr Hay, but from what info is going around in az his product and his work ethics are fine.
With all due respect to a living legend in cuemaking, Mr Wayne's statement is out of line.
Petros
I don't know what tip could be considered "the best" among so many brands today, but these tips certainly "pass the test" in terms of use and are definitely far away from the "junk" level, not even close to that.
I don't know personally Mr Hay, but from what info is going around in az his product and his work ethics are fine.
With all due respect to a living legend in cuemaking, Mr Wayne's statement is out of line.
Petros
Utraskins are awesome!
Hi Tom....I've been using your tips for over a year now and I do not find that they glaze over UNLESS I miscue HARD and I mean HARD!!! on an extreme stroke shot.
They even play well in long sessions in high humidity . Basically, it's my fault if the tip glazes and it's only in the spot where I miscued. I'm still on the same tip on the first US Med tipped shaft and it plays as good or better than the day it was installed. I think during a 5+ hour session I might lightly scuff the tip twice but that's after practicing breaks with it. After seeing how the first Ultraskin Med tip held up I have switched anything that wasn't a moori original on my cues to your tips. I've very rarely had to do more than lightly scuff the tip(sometimes just with a little scratching using my fingernail) or in some cases all that was needed was just to apply more chalk over the miscue for it to go back to normal. These are nice solid tips with good feel/ feedback and what I think the tip will do to the cue ball is usually real close to what the cue ball ends up doing. That observable consistency is what is keeping me using your tips.
Thanks again for offering these tips and at a more than fair price!
Kevin
Hi Tom....I've been using your tips for over a year now and I do not find that they glaze over UNLESS I miscue HARD and I mean HARD!!! on an extreme stroke shot.
They even play well in long sessions in high humidity . Basically, it's my fault if the tip glazes and it's only in the spot where I miscued. I'm still on the same tip on the first US Med tipped shaft and it plays as good or better than the day it was installed. I think during a 5+ hour session I might lightly scuff the tip twice but that's after practicing breaks with it. After seeing how the first Ultraskin Med tip held up I have switched anything that wasn't a moori original on my cues to your tips. I've very rarely had to do more than lightly scuff the tip(sometimes just with a little scratching using my fingernail) or in some cases all that was needed was just to apply more chalk over the miscue for it to go back to normal. These are nice solid tips with good feel/ feedback and what I think the tip will do to the cue ball is usually real close to what the cue ball ends up doing. That observable consistency is what is keeping me using your tips. Thanks again for offering these tips and at a more than fair price!
Kevin
Petros,
While I would never presume to speak for Thomas Wayne, if you read between the lines, I think he was saying that he can sell all the Ultra Skins the Tom has in stock - it was a compliment and a pat on the back, not a criticism. The 6 cents on the dollar offer would simply increase his profits that much more.
IMHO of course
Gary
I believe this to be true as well. If you look ar Brents post he said he just put in an order for 10 Tips as he had 10 people he wanted to pizz off, both posts and many others reflected humor which is always welcome.
I also want to say I understand Chris at Outsville makes a high quality tip as do many others.
My concern was strictly on my Tips and again, thank you all.
I find that your tips play harder than the description. As far as the miscue problem, that's more due to the tip being harder than a customer wants. If I were you, I'd remove two layers from the tip. Discontinue the HH, and re-evaluate the other hardness'. I've had Hard's play harder than some HH's. Some Mediums approach more what a hard should be. But I see the problem more or less with what one expects from the tip. I see people who expect a tip to play like a triangle hate the tips because the labeled hardness doesn't translate. Very few people have liked the Hard, mixed reviews on the Medium. But people like the soft.
I have tried Ultraskin Soft, medium and Hard. All US tips i tried glaced over very often, I constantly had to scuff the tip. They do seem to be harder than the stated hardness.
When factoring in the price, these tips aren`t bad at all, just not as consistent as Zan, Kamui or Moori.
When factoring in the price, these tips aren`t bad at all, just not as consistent as Zan, Kamui or Moori.
Well, I guess not for everybody, nobody has a tip for that.
I have been reviewed before though.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=297493
I have been reviewed before though.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=297493
The main forum
Tom there is always some people or groups of people who just have to complain about something or they are not happy, and tons of people blame their equipment and close there eyes to their real shooting ability.
Also you really hit the marker by storm, and I am sure it pissed off other tip makers.
You also promote the game of pool, and if you noticed not everyone in the main forum is trying to promote the game.
Sometimes I wonder if they are trying to run everyone off.
Tom there is always some people or groups of people who just have to complain about something or they are not happy, and tons of people blame their equipment and close there eyes to their real shooting ability.
Also you really hit the marker by storm, and I am sure it pissed off other tip makers.
You also promote the game of pool, and if you noticed not everyone in the main forum is trying to promote the game.
Sometimes I wonder if they are trying to run everyone off.
Not that my opinion matters much, but I just bought a new cue to have for guests in my home pool room, and the cue came with 2 shafts, both of which came with Kamui Clear SS tips installed.
Upon arrival, I hit about 10 balls with one of them shafts, and promptly took out a utility knife, and cut off both Kamuis. Both shafts now have UltraSkin HHs on them, and play MUCH better.
I will continue to use US HHs for as long as Tom continues to make them... its hard to improve upon a product that works better than any of its competitors (regardless of cost)
Upon arrival, I hit about 10 balls with one of them shafts, and promptly took out a utility knife, and cut off both Kamuis. Both shafts now have UltraSkin HHs on them, and play MUCH better.
I will continue to use US HHs for as long as Tom continues to make them... its hard to improve upon a product that works better than any of its competitors (regardless of cost)
If by hundreds you mean 200 tips, that would be .005% if anybody was wondering>>:smile:
stanfordturner
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For what my 2cents is worth, these are great tips. I think people put too much stock in what they pay for something. I know the saying that you get what you pay for is true to a point, however where cue tips are concerned I believe most of the cost of the high dollar tips is due to the marketing they do for promotion. I think they are after the status of being known as the most expensive tip you can buy. Not saying they are bad tips, but I know they are very "hyped". I actually heard someone say, "Wow at that price they must be a good tip". Really? Might want to shoot with it first. Efren Reyes uses an Elk Master tip, probably the cheapest tip you can buy. You can get a box of 50 EM for $17.95 from Mueller. Again all of this is just my opinion and I believe everyone has to find the right tip for them.
The tip currently on my playing cue is an UltraSkin Med.
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The tip currently on my playing cue is an UltraSkin Med.
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My opinion: Ultraskin tips are great, and the price is great, too.
Weird, I thought the US soft was softer than the Kamui black soft. Oh well.
Weird, I thought the US soft was softer than the Kamui black soft. Oh well.
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hello tom you have some of the best tips out there they play like the old mooris from the early 1990.s keep makeing them there is just out there running there mouth and they dont no what a good tip like yours plays like keep up the good work keep them coming.
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hello tom you have some of the best tips out there they play like the old mooris from the early 1990.s keep makeing them there is just out there running there mouth and they dont no what a good tip like yours plays like keep up the good work keep them coming.
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