Unity cues!

[Hierovision]

Originally Posted by UnityCustomCues View Post
Hey do u no who makes Shons,Furys,Tigers,Predators,Adams ect these cues r made by two well known american cue makers and very well known for the playabillity of there cues and the cues r guaranteed and we have asked tommie 1351 to rep our cues for us based on his rep and to not reveal our names and we will b posting pix with discription of each cue next week if ur wanting a jam up cue with alot of bells and whistles for a jam up price then look no further thanx for ur interest

Quote from a gallery thread showing one of the cues tommie (the Unity dealer) got:

Thanx rex the cocooo is yummy but the maple is orgazzzzzmic in person lol keep looking i will b posting some new cues next week and I will b bringing ur cue with me to the wccs c you there bro - jim pierce -

Same style. I'd call it a match. The other person who posts as Unity uses proper grammar, spelling, and seems to avoid conflict well. I haven't seen Coker post, but I'd guess he's the calm one.

I wouldn't expect either of them to admit it, so it's not like we're going to ever find out 100% for sure.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I also have heard that the "A" joint is made of adamantium

Maybe, but I heard they core the forearms with Upsadazium.
They got a load from Rocky and Bullwinkle.
With Upsadazium, you can play either right or left handed and it doesn't matter where you hold the cue.

 

[mia]

I asked Jim Pierce. He said that he is not one of the Unity Cues guys.

And if he told you he had a bridge in Brooklyn for sale REALLY cheap, would you make him an offer???

 

[AtLarge]

And if he told you he had a bridge in Brooklyn for sale REALLY cheap, would you make him an offer???

I'll be a little more complete in what Jim said. He said that tommie1351, who reps Unity Cues, is Jim's good friend and that he (Jim) has helped tommie1351 by taking some pictures of the cues. But "thats it," said Jim.

 

[TimmyB80]

Riddle me this:
If 1 car company can make 2 identical cars under different names,
why can't 2 cue makers produce 1 cue under unknown names?

FTW.

 

[mnb]

You have to feel sorry for people who lose sleep over how others spend their money.

I think the secrecy thing is retarded.

Quote from a gallery thread

Here are two guys WHO WILL NEVER EVER PURCHASE ONE OF THESE CUES who continue to be the most concerned about who made them.

Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

 

[Hierovision]

You have to feel sorry for people who lose sleep over how others spend their money.

Here are two guys WHO WILL NEVER EVER PURCHASE ONE OF THESE CUES who continue to be the most concerned about who made them.

Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

Here's why:

These Cues are Made by 2 Well Known American Cuemakers and will Retail for $300-$350

If one of the cuemakers is Jim Pierce, please explain to me how he qualifies as a "well known" American cuemaker. I've never heard of him other than AZ, and even on here I hadn't heard of him before October of 2010. As far as I'm concerned, that's a seriously dishonest sales tactic. Tom Coker is well-known, so at least they have that going for them.

So what about their current customers? What are they waiting for? The time spent churning out 40 Unity cues could have been spent on 10-20 Pierce or Coker cues, assuming they have rigs dedicated to the Unity configuration.

Maybe money is tight and the cues aren't selling like they used to. Fair enough, but there are still folks making cues without hyping up a mysterious new brand that are doing OK. Zinzola is a great example. Full orders through 2012 because he makes a great product. He's had his setbacks with computer issues and whatnot, but he doesn't try to deceive potential customers to make a buck.

So here we are with at least three people I'll never do business with, because they were complicit in a dishonest sales campaign. All the nuthuggers have outed themselves as well. I'm glad you guys have great cues that you got cheaper than direct from the cuemakers involved, but to encourage this sales tactic is in poor taste regardless of the product.

P.S. I don't lose sleep over this, I find it entertaining. It's just another piece of drama in the soap opera of AZ

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Think if the Cue is made well, plays well, and is in a $350.00 Cue I personally do not care who was the maker. Who made you Meucci, MCDermott, or Viking Etc. They are the Ford's, and Chevy's of Cuemaking made by a team of craftman, no a single Customer Cuemaker.

Arizona Billiards Forum IMHO has become more about DRAMA, and less about Billiards. Maybe people need to turn the direction of this Fourm back to its roots.

If you have to know who made your Cue, buy a Custom Cue, Prey, & Hope the Cuemaker has no Apprentice, or Shop Kids helping out do sanding or?.

 

[penguin]

It looks like Dave Barenbrugge and Bryan Mordt have "unified" to make a more affordable cue

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=218379

So here we are with at least three people I'll never do business with, because they were complicit in a dishonest sales campaign.

So you feel that making libelous statements, with little or no basis of fact, is the solution?

Every time I read the "Wanted/For Sale" forum, I see plenty of overpriced cues. It's funny how you choose to cry about it when someone offers an underpriced cue up for sale.



* Disclaimer: I do not own any of the cues in question, nor am I a principal or shareholder in any of the businesses which have been disparaged in this thread. Furthermore, I personally think all of you are FOS. Of course, that's just my opinion.

 

[mlalum]

Here's why:


If one of the cuemakers is Jim Pierce, please explain to me how he qualifies as a "well known" American cuemaker. I've never heard of him other than AZ, and even on here I hadn't heard of him before October of 2010. As far as I'm concerned, that's a seriously dishonest sales tactic. Tom Coker is well-known, so at least they have that going for them.

So what about their current customers? What are they waiting for? The time spent churning out 40 Unity cues could have been spent on 10-20 Pierce or Coker cues, assuming they have rigs dedicated to the Unity configuration.

Maybe money is tight and the cues aren't selling like they used to. Fair enough, but there are still folks making cues without hyping up a mysterious new brand that are doing OK. Zinzola is a great example. Full orders through 2012 because he makes a great product. He's had his setbacks with computer issues and whatnot, but he doesn't try to deceive potential customers to make a buck.

So here we are with at least three people I'll never do business with, because they were complicit in a dishonest sales campaign. All the nuthuggers have outed themselves as well. I'm glad you guys have great cues that you got cheaper than direct from the cuemakers involved, but to encourage this sales tactic is in poor taste regardless of the product.

P.S. I don't lose sleep over this, I find it entertaining. It's just another piece of drama in the soap opera of AZ

It's obviously a questionable marketing strategy. But Hiero you already know that AZB forums is mostly a bunch of cheerleaders. At least they're no longer claiming that they're doing it for the benefit of the pool community. That was an outright lie. p.s. And don't tell anybody that if the cheerleaders would stop posting AT the unity critics the thread would die like they want.

 

[Eric.]

Quote from a gallery thread showing one of the cues tommie (the Unity dealer) got:


Same style. I'd call it a match. The other person who posts as Unity uses proper grammar, spelling, and seems to avoid conflict well. I haven't seen Coker post, but I'd guess he's the calm one.

I wouldn't expect either of them to admit it, so it's not like we're going to ever find out 100% for sure.

Nice, lolol!

I agree with Mlalum and others; all this secrecy is crap. Why is it crap? Well, some things that are important, in marketing, are honesty, transparency and trust. Says who? Well, says the end consumer, who needs these things to be a willing and satisfied customer.

Then again, it ain't my business, so I guess I shouldn't give a chit what Coker and Pierce do.


Eric

 

[runscott]

You said it plays well, so why complain over $300 b/c a name isn't on it? Maybe it's a well respected custom cue maker who doesn't wanna cheapen their brand with $300 cues. If you're looking for resellability, you're digging where there are no tators with $300 cues.

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So, there you have it.

 

[mia]

You have to feel sorry for people who lose sleep over how others spend their money.


Here are two guys WHO WILL NEVER EVER PURCHASE ONE OF THESE CUES who continue to be the most concerned about who made them.

Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

Did I start this thread? No.
Did I out the cuemakers? No.

Someone asked for opinions. I gave mine. Was I supposed to infer that they were only asking for the opinions of people who LOVE Unity Cues??? If so, I apologize. I didn't pick up on that. I could give a rat's a$$ about how others spend their money. I care about how people want ME to spend MINE. When two people hide their names and faces and try to sell everyone (that includes me, ya know) a product, I like to know the facts before I spend my money. So I ask questions to see if this really IS a good deal. That's all there is to it. Again, if I'm not supposed to do that and I'm just supposed to fork over money based on the promises of those I don't know, my bad.

But now that I know who the men behind the curtain are, you are definitely right about one thing... I will never purchase one of these cues.

 

[runscott]

That's the primary issue. If you have the spare time to knock out 20 cues under a pseudonym, why not let one or two customers get the cues they ordered from YOU (not Unity) on time. Or even a little early? Why not just add these plain janes to your 'catalog

Wow you need to move on you have been busting our balls from day one. Here's what I will do for you if you want to no so bad I will play you some and if you win lol I will tell you who we are.Until you man up or women up ,you need to grow up and move on its getting old

Wow you guys at Unity are poets and don't even no it lol

P.S.
I'm goin to play you with a unity fresh out of the box.....

Now this is good - I was wondering when the 'less eloquent' partner was going to get behind the keyboard (the same guy who lashed out at me via PM, after I had been having a pleasant, 'grown-up' exchange with the more mature partner, and probably the same guy who was calling around asking form my address).

Why not just pull a Lucasi right out of the box? Or grab a nice house cue? If you're better than Mia, it won't matter what cue you use. But my guess is you'd get your ass handed to you regardless. I for one have $500 to put up, and you don't even have to give him weight.

oh yeah...then you'd be exposing who you are :sorry:

Here's the point so many of you are missing: THIS IS A DISCUSSION FORUM. If you want to turn AZ into a reference manual, then go for it, but until then, if you are going to sell your wares on a DISCUSSION FORUM, then be a man and quit whining over the questions that are going to come up as a result.

 

[rustysregular10]

are you sure its not a colaboration between joss and josswest cues? lol

 

[mnb]

What is this place coming to?

I just saw a thread the other day where an AZ member was trying to destroy cuemaker Steve Lomax's reputation, and now this........

It looks like you guys are trying to use the AZ forums to put Unity Cues out of business and hurt the sales and reputations of several cuemakers based on rumors and hearsay.

Somehow I don't think Mike Howerton and AzBilliards intended for these Discussion Forums to be used for causing harm to the pool industry.

The four of you should be ashamed of yourselves for providing yet another example of why pool is so screwed up.

Here's why:

Nice, lolol!

Did I start this thread? No.

Now this is good

 

[runscott]

I'll be a little more complete in what Jim said. He said that tommie1351, who reps Unity Cues, is Jim's good friend and that he (Jim) has helped tommie1351 by taking some pictures of the cues. But "thats it," said Jim.

I really hope you are right - and that Cletus the slack-jawed yokel is not actually anyone who we know. The other guy (who does most of the typing, obviously) has always been polite and answers PMs and posts as thoroughly as he can, given the very limiting parameters he's put on his business strategy.

If it's Coker, then fine. I don't really care, except if I KNEW who the cuemakers were, it WOULD influence my buying decision: there are some well-known cuemakers who will NEVER get my business, either because of their business ethics, behavior on boards, or the playability of their cues (sorry, hiding their names and saying "try my new cue" is not going to work with me). That's sneaky and allows them a fresh start that they may not have earned.

Again, if it's Coker, I have heard nothing but great things about him as a person. I don't like his cues' playability, but that's a personal taste thing. If the Unity guys admitted who they were, and one of them was Coker, my thought would be, "well, heck - he's a nice guy and maybe working with someone else, we would get the best of both, and cheaper. I'll try one."

But Cletus has killed that prospect - I won't buy a cue from a jerk.

Regarding the Barenbrugge/Mordt collaboration, well...there you have it: Barenbrugge and Mordt, as opposed to 'mystery cuemaker #1 and mystery cuemaker #2'. Big difference.

 

[Hierovision]

Because we prefer to validate claims made by salesmen, that makes us shameful?

mnb, you are so in the dark it's pitiful.

 

[runscott]

What is this place coming to?

I just saw a thread the other day where an AZ member was trying to destroy cuemaker Steve Lomax's reputation, and now this........

It looks like you guys are trying to use the AZ forums to put Unity Cues out of business and hurt the sales and reputations of several cuemakers based on rumors and hearsay.

Somehow I don't think Mike Howerton and AzBilliards intended for these Discussion Forums to be used for causing harm to the pool industry.

The four of you should be ashamed of yourselves for providing yet another example of why pool is so screwed up.

I'm sorry, but have you lost your mind?

That accusation you just made regarding Lomax is absurd. And as far as driving Unity out of business, now you are just being plain ignorant - again, it is a DISCUSSION FORUM. If Unity is afraid they'll be driven out of business by selling cues on a DISCUSSION FORUM, then they should sell some other way. My guess is that AZ is their best bet, and if their cues are as great as some think, then they will do fine.

The only thing I'm ashamed of is that I don't have the self-control to ignore morons in discussion forums.

 

[pwd72s]

Dunno why I'm posting other than to say I thought the "mystery" of Unity cues was a nice marketing gimmick.

But, my money, my choice...I know who made my cues and my case, because their name is on the product.